Jane98 wrote: » Hi, Can someone tell me if the h. dip is now done on the 4th year of the B. Ed degree. The reason I'm asking is a teacher has recently been appointed to replace a teacher on maternity leave in my child's school and the teacher is only going into their 4th year of the 4 year Mary Immaculate course? Is this classed as the h.dip year?
mtoutlemonde wrote: » I'm not a primary teacher but the B.Ed is a four year programme so if the school are employing a 4th year, they are unqualified and should not be employed as there is an over supply of primary teachers who should get that position first. Has the teacher connections with school i.e. past pupil, son/daughter of principal/other teacher. How do you know they are going into fourth year? You can search the teacher register here and see if the teacher is registered - I could be wrong but I don't think primary teachers can register under further education section - so they are either registered of they're not. Link: http://www.teachingcouncil.ie/en/Registration/Register-of-Teachers/Search-the-Register/ If the teacher is not registered, you are in the right to approach the principal to explain himself/herself. Best of luck.
Jane98 wrote: » This is exactly what I was thinking. The person is a child of an existing staff member. When I heard this I did a bit of googling the person. They are not on the teaching council list and their facebook page says they are a Mary I student from 2014-2018.
mtoutlemonde wrote: » Maybe the person above can clarify if you do your dip covering a maternity leave? The person may be in process of registration so check again in September. I knew there had to be a family connection when this is happening. Just so you know, an unregistered person can only be paid from department funds for a max of five days, so unless the school are paying this person which I doubt, the teacher may be allowed to teach while doing the dip OR the school are breaking Teaching Council/department of education rules.
infor123 wrote: » Mary I increased the course to four years to include the dip.
Jane98 wrote: » Hi Infor123, Do you know if someone could take on a maternity leave paid position in year 4 of said degree? Thanks.
Jeremy Tender Conga wrote: » I dont think that's accurate. All teaching qualifications were made longer as more credits are now required for qualification. The BEd is still the BEd, just longer. The "dip year" that primary teachers complete post qualification is still in place (but may undergo some changes under Droichead from September). The new longer courses don't include that probationary period. The HDip post grad qualification of years ago is now the two year PME, but has nothing to do with the BEd courses. Primary and secondary is VERY different situations! Mary I had change their course to include the dip! Because so many students were unable to get it completed when they left before due to shortage of jobs or I suppose Nepotism. I'm not sure how it works - does Mary I help them get the positions or not but it's included in the 4th year now!
infor123 wrote: » Jeremy Tender Conga wrote: » I dont think that's accurate. All teaching qualifications were made longer as more credits are now required for qualification. The BEd is still the BEd, just longer. The "dip year" that primary teachers complete post qualification is still in place (but may undergo some changes under Droichead from September). The new longer courses don't include that probationary period. The HDip post grad qualification of years ago is now the two year PME, but has nothing to do with the BEd courses. Primary and secondary is VERY different situations! Mary I had change their course to include the dip! Because so many students were unable to get it completed when they left before due to shortage of jobs or I suppose Nepotism. I'm not sure how it works - does Mary I help them get the positions or not but it's included in the 4th year now! This is untrue, even with the 4 year B/Ed, teachers must still undergo probation/dip.
byhookorbycrook wrote: » infor123 wrote: » This is untrue, even with the 4 year B/Ed, teachers must still undergo probation/dip. byhookorbycrook, do you have an opinion on whether a 4th year student can take on a maternity leave position?
infor123 wrote: » This is untrue, even with the 4 year B/Ed, teachers must still undergo probation/dip.
Jane98 wrote: » byhookorbycrook wrote: » byhookorbycrook, do you have an opinion on whether a 4th year student can take on a maternity leave position? Any feedback Jane? Did you ring the principal - what had he/she to say for himself/herself??
byhookorbycrook wrote: » byhookorbycrook, do you have an opinion on whether a 4th year student can take on a maternity leave position?
mtoutlemonde wrote: » Jane98 wrote: » Any feedback Jane? Did you ring the principal - what had he/she to say for himself/herself?? I sent an email yesterday and am awaiting a reply but bumped into a teacher from the school today and asked her and she said she didnt think that that person had been appointed to that role, dismissed the suggestion pretty quickly. But I have heard it from a number of fronts so will just await a response from the Principal.
Jane98 wrote: » Any feedback Jane? Did you ring the principal - what had he/she to say for himself/herself??
Jane98 wrote: » mtoutlemonde wrote: » I sent an email yesterday and am awaiting a reply but bumped into a teacher from the school today and asked her and she said she didnt think that that person had been appointed to that role, dismissed the suggestion pretty quickly. But I have heard it from a number of fronts so will just await a response from the Principal. The new 4 year B.Ed programme doesn't include the DIP/probation. In 4th year student teachers complete an extended placement of 10 weeks in a school which includes time in learning support and mainstream setting (4 week block in mainstream). It's likely that the 4th year is doing their 4 week teaching practice block in your child's class. They wouldn't be eligible to cover a maternity as they're unqualified. The Dip/probation under the new Droichead model is reduced to a minimum of 60 days down from 100 as it takes into account that 4th years are spending 10 weeks on school placement in their final year.
mtoutlemonde wrote: » I sent an email yesterday and am awaiting a reply but bumped into a teacher from the school today and asked her and she said she didnt think that that person had been appointed to that role, dismissed the suggestion pretty quickly. But I have heard it from a number of fronts so will just await a response from the Principal.
dory wrote: » How is this even possible though? How can someone do a maternity leave and also be in college at the same time? Surely if she were in 4th year in Mary I she could be in a primary school 5 days a week.
Gebgbegb wrote: » Needs of the school! Can't find anyone else!
Jane98 wrote: » byhookorbycrook wrote: » byhookorbycrook, do you have an opinion on whether a 4th year student can take on a maternity leave position? If they are not fully qualified , no. Unqualified teachers can only do 4 days in a row. This year was exceptional as so many NQTs have left teaching or gone overseas and with the new 4 year B.Ed there were no graduates, so some unqualified people did get work . But again, only 4 days at a time allowed .
