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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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The last thread was nearing the 10k post limit so here's part 3.

The same rules as the last thread apply here. People seem to have strong opinions either way when it comes to McGregor and threads here tend to get a bit heated from time to time. Please keep it civil and discuss all things Conor in a mature way.

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Any "Do you even train Bro?" or "I'm an mma fan longer than you" type posts are not permitted either. They only make you look like a fool and as a result, everyone hates you. Yes everyone.

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Lads consider this the one and only warning - big fight with a lot of hype around it. It brings new fans to the forum as well as the regulars so try and get along. Any trolling or nonsense and people will find themselves on a break from the forum and that applies to everyone.

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[Deleted User]

Surely if Connor wins this fight he should retire,
It would be the perfect ending to this amazing journey

Lukker-

thewheel2.0 wrote: »

I'd be concerned about Conor's UFC return. There's no way he has been training all the non striking elements of MMA for the past 6 months and the next few months too.

Surely, a decent game plan for Conor's return is to take him down and see how rusty he is a BJJ/Wrestling?

He's been out injured for similar spells. At this stage it's hardwired for him, and I'd say he'd be up to full speed half way through a camp.

That's the game plan every time someone fights Conor, so nothing new.

[Deleted User]

wonderfullife wrote: »

John's latest column.

http://www.the42.ie/john-kavanagh-column-22-june-2017-3458507-Jun2017/

Do you know if Kavanagh write his own articles or are they written by Paul Dollery? Just from the point of view of trying to understand how accurate the info and opinions are.

thewheel2.0

I'd be concerned about Conor's UFC return. There's no way he has been training all the non striking elements of MMA for the past 6 months and the next few months too.

Surely, a decent game plan for Conor's return is to take him down and see how rusty he is a BJJ/Wrestling?

Ush1

If it's a lightweight title defence it has to be Ferguson doesn't it?

Only other fights I could think would be Woodley or GSP.

Wheeliebin30

Am I the only one excited by Johns article stating conor will fight in the ufc again in December probably.

Once this farce is over its back to business.

Can't wait.

Well that is if conor doesn't get kod and his chin is ****ed forever and we don't see him fight again:)

Subcomandante Marcos

wonderfullife wrote: »

Ricky Hatton:

"I love Conor. I hope he absolutely flattens Floyd. But let's be real he won't."

Fat retired Ricky Hatton would ruin Conor.

Mellor

Gintonious wrote: »

When I read the old skool approach, I immediately thought of the old guys with the hands down, going for the body.

I think that's more mid 1800s that 29th century. Came about due to bare knuckles, although stylistically it carried over to Queensbury era for a while.

I've no idea what Johns referring to in the 20th century. Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, or earlier?

johnpatrick81

When does the press start for this? Most likely gonna be a far more entertaining and competitive spectacle than the fake fight!

EagererBeaver

mdwexford wrote: »

Everyone just has to agree he's the king of the universe and suck his balls. This includes you walshb.

Sure your don't need him to win this fight to be glad to do that in fairness.

Did multiple people really ask whether a spinning back fist is allowed in boxing?!

wonderfullife

Ricky Hatton:

"I love Conor. I hope he absolutely flattens Floyd. But let's be real he won't."

Gamebred

The fight would be off if Conor sparred Canelo or GGG for one round.

Frank Bullitt

wonderfullife wrote: »

This part of the article was encouraging:

"There will be sparring with guys we’re already familiar with but we will also be bringing in some guys who I think people will be impressed with."

Who would we be impressed with? Lomachenko/Berto are 2 definite possibilities because Loma already offered to help Conor and Berto is good pals with him & revealed yesterday that he's been texting Conor this week.

Berto for sure, Lomanchenko is a stretch, his speed and general boxing style is nothing like Floyd, he fights on fast-forward.

Alvarez is in camp right now, so is GGG, they could possibly do a round or 15. Cotto is still active.

But these are all pretty high-level guys, they don't always do the sparring partner thing. They have made their money and their name at this stage.

Lukker-

Gintonious wrote: »

When I read the old skool approach, I immediately thought of the old guys with the hands down, going for the body.

Old techniques against the finest boxer of the modern era, that is analog thinking in a digital fight. I hope that was more tongue in cheek.

He's definitely talking about the clinch imo.

Floyd pretty much only fights with Bayless, who doesn't really allow the clinch.

I don't think Floyd will be in any rush to tie him up that said.

wonderfullife

This part of the article was encouraging:

"There will be sparring with guys we’re already familiar with but we will also be bringing in some guys who I think people will be impressed with."

Who would we be impressed with? Lomachenko/Berto are 2 definite possibilities because Loma already offered to help Conor and Berto is good pals with him & revealed yesterday that he's been texting Conor this week.

Frank Bullitt

wonderfullife wrote: »

John said something in his previous article which stuck with me but I think he's misguided.

I'm presuming the styles he's talking about is old school boxing and the lost-art of the clinch. The problem with that is the ref is probably going to be Kenny Bayless, someone Floyd always tries to get because he's in like a ninja to break up fighters.

If Kenny Bayless is appointed I hope Conor objects to it on the basis Bayless gave a disparaging interview last year saying Conor shouldn't be allowed to box. You can't say something like that and claim to be impartial.

Tony Weeks allowed plenty of clinch-work in Kovalev-Ward but Floyd came out this year slating his performance in a couple of fights so I doubt he's expecting any phone calls.

When I read the old skool approach, I immediately thought of the old guys with the hands down, going for the body.

Old techniques against the finest boxer of the modern era, that is analog thinking in a digital fight. I hope that was more tongue in cheek.

wonderfullife

Gintonious wrote: »

Mayweather has been in there with the cream of the crop of boxers, fighting on an equal ground. The variety of styles of fighting won't really help if he can only use one though, no?

John said something in his previous article which stuck with me but I think he's misguided.

Of course, hands only, but maybe there are things we can do from an MMA perspective, which, if people study boxing from the early 20th century, those things were a bigger part in the boxing game than they are today. We’re bringing an old-school boxing approach.

I'm presuming the styles he's talking about is old school boxing and the lost-art of the clinch. The problem with that is the ref is probably going to be Kenny Bayless, someone Floyd always tries to get because he's in like a ninja to break up fighters.

If Kenny Bayless is appointed I hope Conor objects to it on the basis Bayless gave a disparaging interview last year saying Conor shouldn't be allowed to box. You can't say something like that and claim to be impartial.

Tony Weeks allowed plenty of clinch-work in Kovalev-Ward but Floyd came out this year slating his performance in a couple of fights so I doubt he's expecting any phone calls.

cloudatlas

wonderfullife wrote: »

'So called experts' = wrong.

Echoes of Trump and Michael Gove people are sick of experts, fair amount of spin will be coming out of the SBG camp. This is nonsense on stilts but we would all smile and nod if we were making the money they are out of this.

Frank Bullitt

Just don't read the comments section on that article, its a sewer.

Frank Bullitt

wonderfullife wrote: »

John's latest column.

http://www.the42.ie/john-kavanagh-column-22-june-2017-3458507-Jun2017/

Short version:

100% confident of victory.

'So called experts' = wrong.

Conor tentatively plans to fight in UFC again in December unless Floyd wants a rematch after being knocked out. (he worded it in a roundabout way).

I enjoy Johns articles. His experience is always a joy to read.

Just not sure I would agree with this bit though.

Mayweather has been in the boxing world for his entire career and everyone he’s faced has moved in a certain way that he’s pre-conditioned to handle. Now he’s going up against a guy who doesn’t follow any set patterns, who can deploy a variety of different styles of fighting and is not one bit intimidated. Conor is — as we all are here — 100% confident in victory. That kind of person is very difficult to deal with.

Mayweather has been in there with the cream of the crop of boxers, fighting on an equal ground. The variety of styles of fighting won't really help if he can only use one though, no?

wonderfullife

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

Such a gaylord.

Conor, me or Floyd? All of us?

I didn't say anything controversial in what you quoted. It's a fight. Floyd could pull a hamstring and get clocked with a left hand.

Tune in.

wonderfullife

John's latest column.

http://www.the42.ie/john-kavanagh-column-22-june-2017-3458507-Jun2017/

Short version:

100% confident of victory.

'So called experts' = wrong.

Conor tentatively plans to fight in UFC again in December unless Floyd wants a rematch after being knocked out. (he worded it in a roundabout way).

Baron Kurtz

wonderfullife wrote: »

It's a fight anything can happen.

Floyd might KO Conor just as quickly as Conor KO'd Aldo.

But in my book, success is Conor making it a competitive encounter. Whether that's *winning*, going 12-rounds, landing more than Berto, dropping Floyd or making him take a standing 8-count, there's many ways to argue it was a success from Conor's point of view.

My bar for it being a success is a lot higher than most peoples because I have faith in Conor.

People keep going on about the van Heerden sparring footage. I guarantee you 100% we could see footage of Conor sparring Artem in MMA over the years where Artem does really well and tools Conor up. Both Conor and Artem are on record saying they've had some absolute wars in the gym.

The point is this - whatever footage we see of Conor in training (be it MMA or boxing) is irrelevant. He's not a gym fighter. He comes into his own on the big stage under the bright lights when the pressure is at its maximum.

Such a gaylord.

Banned for a month

Gamebred

wonderfullife wrote: »

It's far less egregious than CM Punk v Mickey Gall.

There's 100% no bribes though. The economic impact for Nevada for the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight was $400 million according to Forbes. It might push $600 million for this fight.

All members of the sanctioning body would be bundled into a car in the middle of the night and left in the Nevada Desert if they refused to sanction the fight.

Floyd was allowed put off going to jail to fight in Vegas, so you're right about economical impact on the area but brown envelopes are and were involved in this.

wonderfullife

Deleted User wrote: »

This fight should not be sanctioned, that isn't just my opinion that is fact from their records in boxing. There has to be somebody getting bribes in the sanctioning body for them to let this go ahead.

It's far less egregious than CM Punk v Mickey Gall.

There's 100% no bribes though. The economic impact for Nevada for the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight was $400 million according to Forbes. It might push $600 million for this fight.

All members of the sanctioning body would be bundled into a car in the middle of the night and left in the Nevada Desert if they refused to sanction the fight.

Gamebred

Deleted User wrote: »

This fight should not be sanctioned, that isn't just my opinion that is fact from their records in boxing. There has to be somebody getting bribes in the sanctioning body for them to let this go ahead.

Wonder if they'd sanction Andre Ward v someone like Maia, would they ****.

[Deleted User]

Gamebred wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Grabaka_Hitman/status/877555478888411136

This sums up the nerd fanboy mma media, one hand their all over Floyd Conor next their crying and wanting heads to roll over that guy that died the other day.

This fight should not be sanctioned, that isn't just my opinion that is fact from their records in boxing. There has to be somebody getting bribes in the sanctioning body for them to let this go ahead.

wonderfullife

I really think we're going to see Conor attempt to land the corkscrew uppercut+left cross combo a lot come fight night (remember, he has to try land something!).

There's a few reasons I believe we will see it thrown, early and often.

The first reason is that now is not the time for Conor to be learning new tricks or skills. So it stands to reason he will return to combinations he has a lot of experience of throwing.

The second reason is it's generally a good combination for a southpaw to attempt on an orthodox fighter who carries a high guard. Floyd will shell up a lot, the lead uppercut should at the very least prompt him to split his guard.

Even if Conor misses on both shots (as he has done often in the past) he usually ends up carrying his feet forward into clinch range. Obviously he's vulnerable to a supreme boxer like Floyd timing him with a right hand coming in.

Lastly, between Conor and Gunnar Nelson, they threw the corkscrew uppercut+cross combination 19 times between them over 8 fights that I've re-watched. That indicates to me that it's a combination that SBG (John + Owen) are also comfortable with incorporating into a gameplan.

Anyway here's many examples of Conor throwing the combination over the years:

1.45 against Conor Dillon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lSlbJ3Tq0M

9.20 against Artur Sowinski

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1QYUND7-54

2.06 against Hugh Brady

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM4CKfG4zZI

2.44 against Ivan Buchinger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZhPyy2HUV8

0:28 and 1:18 and 1:56 against Max Holloway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn2VASfPDFI

mdwexford

Burial. wrote: »

And if Floyd bodies him?

Pretty much where we are now.

Floyd gets his 50 and a ton of money. Little to no credit for beating a non pro boxer, regardless of how easily he does it.

Conor might get a bit of respect if he performs admirably in defeat. If not he has his pile of cash as well to console him.

Gamebred

https://twitter.com/Grabaka_Hitman/status/877555478888411136

This sums up the nerd fanboy mma media, one hand their all over Floyd Conor next their crying and wanting heads to roll over that guy that died the other day.