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Saudi Arabian Football Team Refuse Minutes Silence for Terror Attacks

pangbang

Its all over media, not sure which article to quote so heres the first one to pop up

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/saudi-arabian-players-fail-to-observe-a-minutes-silence-in-memory-of-london-terror-victims-35803139.html

Its interesting to me because the usual defence totted out to justify these terrorists is "not all muslims", "they're mentally ill", etc. Exceptions up the wazoo.

But what about those that don't act, but secretly condone the killings? I suppose its impossible to measure, but I doubt its a small number.

The wahabi nuts in Saudi Arabia are obviously "okay" with what happened. As a matter of fact, the blatant disregard for a minutes silence goes much further, it actually demonstrates their support for terrorism.

You could say its just the Saudi's in charge, but a bit of common sense goes a long way, there simply must be a lot of silent support for whats happening.

So what do you do about that? I mean, the oil situation is a disaster when it comes to making changes, but how long do we continue to tolerate such nonsense. And when it comes to the sheer incompatibility of modern Europe with the millions coming here/living here already....how can you trust that someone who "condemns" terrorism (what else will they do?) actually means it? It flys in the face of their belief system.

Rather than just lie down like defeated eejits hugging each other, what can proactively be done to combat this?

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pickarooney

This minute's silence business for all kinds of stuff that happens in other countries is nonsense, IMO. Why expect some Saudis to pay respects for a handful of British people but not oblige Belgians to cry for a hundred kids blown up in Afghanistan or a minibus crash in Delhi? It just reinforves the idea that western lives matter more.

Donald Trump

Zebra3 wrote: »

I'm perfectly educated, thank you.

If no Australians had been caught up in the attack, there still would've been a minute's silence because it happened in Britain. That's the reality of the situation.

I'm sure then, educated as you are, that you are aware that Australia is part of the Commonwealth? So even if some of their citizens had not been killed, they'd still have been wholly justified to priortise a minutes silence for London over whatever other random tragedy had recently happened in the world.

What is your problem with them having a minutes silence? Are you really that annoyed that they don't do a reading of the names of every individual on earth that has died since their last game?

dreamers75

Few hundred killed in various attacks the last few weeks, no minutes silence for them.

One player (no7 ) stood for the minutes silence.

wakka12

pickarooney wrote: »

This minute's silence business for all kinds of stuff that happens in other countries is nonsense, IMO. Why expect some Saudis to pay respects for a handful of British people but not oblige Belgians to cry for a hundred kids blown up in Afghanistan or a minibus crash in Delhi? It just reinforves the idea that western lives matter more.

Do you believe that any western team wouldnt hold a minutes silence if travelling to afghanistan or india when those events occur and they were asked to by those host countries?

major bill

pickarooney wrote: »

This minute's silence business for all kinds of stuff that happens in other countries is nonsense, IMO. Why expect some Saudis to pay respects for a handful of British people but not oblige Belgians to cry for a hundred kids blown up in Afghanistan or a minibus crash in Delhi? It just reinforves the idea that western lives matter more.

Understand the point you are making however as already stated, two Australians were killed, the match was on Australian soil featuring Australia, people can compare it to James McLean and also say Syrian Lives matter too, fact of the matter is, the Saudi's were guests in a foreign country, they could have at least stood for the minute silence!!

I am a fan though of not having Minutes silences at matches unless the people involved are directly associated with the club etc!!

Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it in any way comparable to James McClean refusing to wear a poppy or stand for the British anthem? I mean, that argument has been done to death, he has his reasons, some find them perfectly fine, some don't. But can we be selective about which events players should mark and get with the programme, and which they should be entitled to ignore or object to?

Not really. In that case he has a legitimate reason (political or otherwise) for not actively doing something. He can still have respect for the people who do want to do those things, he just doesn't have to obstruct them. If you want to wear a poppy, wear a poppy. I'm not going to stop you. But I don't have to wear one too. I'm not going to rip it off you if you do wear one.

If he doesn't want to actively wear a symbol for whatever reason then I don't have a problem with that. If they have a minutes silence and he decides to start singing "Oh ah up the ra" then he'd be being a disrespectful cunt.

jimmycrackcorm

pangbang wrote:

The power they wield through oil is gigantic. Very difficult to deal with.

The sooner we adopt electric transportation, the singer we can tell the Saudis to shove their fundamentalism where the sun does shine. There's plenty of non Islamic drilled oil if we don't have the same dependency.

Deleted User wrote:

Is it in any way comparable to James McClean refusing to wear a poppy or stand for the British anthem? I mean, that argument has been done to death, he has his reasons, some find them perfectly fine, some don't. But can we be selective about which events players should mark and get with the programme, and which they should be entitled to ignore or object to?

James mcClean has personally lived through the partisan nature of northern Ireland. What have these Saudi players been personally affected by?

buried

People are missing the point here. The ordinary people in SA are told what to do by the fascist regime that rules over them. These football players ain't high up in the house of saud, living in mansions, driving Ferrari's or having pet lions out their back garden. The likes of these people are told what to do. If they did observe a minutes silence, it would be them crucified or burned alive next friday afternoon like anyone else who doesn't toe the fascist house of saud line.

wakka12

dreamers75 wrote: »

Few hundred killed in various attacks the last few weeks, no minutes silence for them.

One player (no7 ) stood for the minutes silence.

Because Australians were killed in the attack and this host country wanted a minutes silence. Thats why, a host country can hold minutes silence for whoever they want. Im sure they'd hold a minutes silence for a tragedy that occurred anywhere in the world had australians been killed
Because theyre respecting their own citizens

not everything is a racist thing

4068ac1elhodqr

There was a news report that the UK yesterday made 51% of it's entire national grid energy from green (and re-usable) sources.
Yes it was a sunny and windy day, but the day of oil - being a primary fuel source will be numbered before too long.

wakka12

buried wrote: »

People are missing the point here. The ordinary people in SA are told what to do by the fascist regime that rules over them. These football players ain't high up in the house of saud, living in mansions, driving Ferrari's or having pet lions out their back garden. The likes of these people are told what to do. If they did observe a minutes silence, it would be them crucified or burned alive next friday afternoon like anyone else who doesn't toe the fascist house of saud line.

Any reason to believe that? any evidence whatsoever?

Doltanian

As new technologies and green tech come to the fore hopefully we will watch the slow implosion of the house of saud.

2 Trillion barrels of Oil will now recoverable economically and they are all entirely in the western hempishere. The Saudis are their disgusting ideology will soon to the wayside.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-07/saudi-america-%E2%80%93-how-new-tech-creating-another-oil-boom

In other news 71% of Polish people want to ban Islam and all Muslim immigrants from Poland.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-08/71-people-poland-want-ban-muslim-immigration

It is quiet unsurprising considering it was the Polish and Lithuanian commonwealth who defeated the Muslims at the battle of Vienna in 1683 in what was clearly the most important battle in history. This battle against the Muslim Invasion was led by the Holy Roman Empire, the Polish and Lithuanian Commonwealth and Pope Innocent XI. Had the Muslims succeeded on that day Europe and the World as we know it would be very different.

As others have pointed out Saudi Arabia supports terror and wants to conquer Europe with mass Muslim migration, this sort of thing has been happening since the foundation of Islam in the 6th Century.

One thing is for sure is that the Saudis are one despicable country and nation of xenophobes. The average Iranian is peace loving and with Shia Islam are not exporting terror like the Wahhabi Sunnis. Yet the Narrative follows Shia = Bad, Sunni = Good, The Qataris are now pivoting towards Russia, and extra Iraqi oil is flooding the marker and oil prices have dipped alot this week.

dreamers75

wakka12 wrote: »

Because Australians were killed in the attack and this host country wanted a minutes silence. Thats why, a host country can hold minutes silence for whoever they want. Im sure they'd hold a minutes silence for a tragedy that occurred anywhere in the world had australians been killed
Because theyre respecting their own citizens

not everything is a racist thing

So whats the problem here then?

buried

wakka12 wrote: »

Any reason to believe that? any evidence whatsoever?

You think every single person living under the fist of that regime is living it up like a multi-millionaire villain? lol Go look up the poverty level in Saudi Arabia yourself with the internet there at your fingertips

MRnotlob606

As crazy as it might sound I think the World Cup In Qatar should be boycotted.

wakka12

buried wrote: »

You think every single person living under the fist of that regime is living it up like a multi-millionaire villain? lol Go look up the poverty level in Saudi Arabia yourself with the internet there at your fingertips

I never said everyone was wealthy there, I wasnt really talking about the wealth aspect at all. But how do you know that there isn't majority support for many of the rules/laws and social customs of the nation?
Would you have given south africa the benefit of the doubt back int he 90's and said it was simply the south african government that were racist and not the majority of citizens? Because I wouldnt have

Not always, but far more often than not,the laws and government attitudes are extremely reflective of the attitude of the society they govern. As thats often who elects them. Obviously there are exceptions like north korea.

pangbang

pickarooney wrote: »

This minute's silence business for all kinds of stuff that happens in other countries is nonsense, IMO. Why expect some Saudis to pay respects for a handful of British people but not oblige Belgians to cry for a hundred kids blown up in Afghanistan or a minibus crash in Delhi? It just reinforves the idea that western lives matter more.

Are you saying its coincidence that a hardcore muslim country just so happens to be the only one not to respect the minutes silence for muslim-based terrorists killing Europeans?

I mean youre basically saying here "white people got killed by non-white people. Now lets not make a big deal out of it because it might make non-white people uncomfortable."

Trollocks to that idea. I'll tell you what though, the next time irish people blow up a bus full of children in middle east, yeah, I'll pay attention and feel guilty. Too bad the Saudis don't feel that way.

pangbang

buried wrote: »

People are missing the point here. The ordinary people in SA are told what to do by the fascist regime that rules over them. These football players ain't high up in the house of saud, living in mansions, driving Ferrari's or having pet lions out their back garden. The likes of these people are told what to do. If they did observe a minutes silence, it would be them crucified or burned alive next friday afternoon like anyone else who doesn't toe the fascist house of saud line.

Nah don't think so. Its hardly like 10 blokes think one way, and the entire rest of the country thinks completely differently.

There is support for this, and it goes deeper than many would like to admit.

The fact that such a political statement trickles down to an insignificant football match is actually an indication of how deep and wide it goes. Not the other way around!

buried

wakka12 wrote: »

I never said everyone was wealthy there, I wasnt really talking about the wealth aspect at all. But how do you know that there isn't majority support for many of the rules/laws and social customs of the nation?
Would you have given south africa the benefit of the doubt back int he 90's and said it was simply the south african government that were racist and not the majority of citizens? Because I wouldnt have

There usually isn't in dictatorships, FASCIST dictatorships that use the boot of fear and execution. Plenty of citizens in that fascist kip have been executed for speaking out against the regime, so there's that isn't there? You could look that up too. The arab spring was suppressed in the Gulf states with extreme level of state sponsored violence, so a large group of people did try to rise up but were smacked back down by the dictatorships and given no help from the west

buried

pangbang wrote: »

Nah don't think so. Its hardly like 10 blokes think one way, and the entire rest of the country thinks completely differently.

You think? What about all the other countries in the Arab spring, where the people rose up against the regime? The regimes with in some cases only 3 or 4 lads at the top. Sometimes only one.

ligerdub

wakka12 wrote:

Yeh I agree actually. I have a Saudi arabian friend who is not even lesbian but she's merely accepting of gay people and advocates others to be more accepting as well, and she's bullied in school for that for her peers

In fairness not that long ago since that could have been a factor in play for bullying in this country.

pangbang

buried wrote: »

You think? What about all the other countries in the Arab spring, where the people rose up against the regime? The regimes with in some cases only 3 or 4 lads at the top. Sometimes only one.

You mean the same arab spring where, generally, stable but harsh countries were toppled by those that would become ISIS and started the entire immigration crisis into europe?

Yeah, the people wanted a change alright. Just not the lovely democratic one people hoped.

buried

pangbang wrote: »

You mean the same arab spring where, generally, stable but harsh countries were toppled by those that would become ISIS and started the entire immigration crisis into europe?

Yeah, the people wanted a change alright. Just not the lovely democratic one people hoped.

Yeah fair enough but this notion that everyone living under regimes like this agree with the rules decreed by the regime in power like drone bee's is simplistic, gibberish, nonsense. They don't. Look at the citizens murdered and tortured by the house of saud regime that tried to speak out against them. These players were told what to do, just like the NK football team a few years back. Those guys weren't living it up either

pangbang

buried wrote: »

Yeah fair enough but this notion that everyone living under regimes like this agree with the rules decreed by the regime in power like drone bee's is simplistic, gibberish, nonsense. They don't. Look at the citizens murdered and tortured by the house of saud regime that tried to speak out against them. These players were told what to do, just like the NK football team a few years back. Those guys weren't living it up either

I agree, That's why I didn't say that, and nobody else said that in this thread.

What I AM saying is that there is probably a much bigger support of what is happening than people like to admit.

Its certainly not 100%. But it sure as hell isn't 1% either. maybe 20%? Maybe 40%? Who knows. But the whole thing about making exceptions for lone wolves and mentally ill is basically stating its ballpark 0.000000000000000001%, and thats totally whack, dude!!

Yourself isit

buried wrote: »

Yeah fair enough but this notion that everyone living under regimes like this agree with the rules decreed by the regime in power like drone bee's is simplistic, gibberish, nonsense. They don't. Look at the citizens murdered and tortured by the house of saud regime that tried to speak out against them. These players were told what to do, just like the NK football team a few years back. Those guys weren't living it up either

If the house of saud is deliberately telling its football players to not agree to a moments silence then it should be treated as a pariah state.

buried

pangbang wrote: »

I agree, That's why I didn't say that, and nobody else said that in this thread.

What I AM saying is that there is probably a much bigger support of what is happening than people like to admit.

lol Yeah people just love living in a place where fellow human beings, their mothers, their daughters, are crucified and burnt at the stake every day. They really support that kind of violent fascism. It's probably at 99% support. Just like it was in Syria and Northern Iraq when 99% of the people tried to leg it out of there the minute the 'Islamic State' started its campaign of doing the exact same f**king thing. Facking waaaaaaaaaaack bro!!!

buried

Yourself isit wrote: »

If the house of saud is deliberately telling its football players to not agree to a moments silence then it should be treated as a pariah state.

Should have been treated like one 50 years ago man. Too late now

wakka12

buried wrote: »

Yeah fair enough but this notion that everyone living under regimes like this agree with the rules decreed by the regime in power like drone bee's is simplistic, gibberish, nonsense. They don't. Look at the citizens murdered and tortured by the house of saud regime that tried to speak out against them. These players were told what to do, just like the NK football team a few years back. Those guys weren't living it up either

Do you have any evidence to support that the majority of saudis don't support the governments policies and regimes? Like Id believe it when I see it. Everyones happy to call russians homophobic people for instance, because they are, and their government are, but calling saudi arabians anything bad, is tarring with the same brush or racism or something

A majority nation can support evil regimes. Its happened in history before, it'd be nice to think its just a few horrible people in power but its not always the case.

pickarooney

wakka12 wrote: »

Do you believe that any western team wouldnt hold a minutes silence if travelling to afghanistan or india when those events occur and they were asked to by those host countries?

I think it's inappropriate to put visitors in that situation, effectively guilt/shame/bullying them into participating in something that means nothing to them. By all means if you want to hold up a banner or pray or applaud go ahead but don't oblige everyone else to follow suit.

wakka12

pickarooney wrote: »

I think it's inappropriate to put visitors in that situation, effectively guilt/shame/bullying them into participating in something that means nothing to them. By all means if you want to hold up a banner or pray or applaud go ahead but don't oblige everyone else to follow suit.

As I said before, its just common human decency and respect for the host nations. Its a minutes silence ffs. If it simply didnt mean anything to them then they'd oblige, but by not doing it, it is quite clearly sending a deliberate message of disrespect.
Theres a difference between it not meaning anything to them and actively trying to offend people, it clearly meant a lot to them actually. Just not in the same way it meant to australians