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Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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Troubling tweet just send by GMP. Hope it isn't what I think it is.

https://twitter.com/gmpolice/status/866774284018102274

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hatrickpatrick

Parchment wrote: »

I get you but flight instinct will override any training. Imagine being there with your kids - you would run and nothing would stop you.

This. My father worked as a reporter for RTE for many years and he experienced one or two bombs up close, I believe while covering Northern Ireland. And he's told me that it changed his entire view on everything from "please evacuate calmly" to the derision deserting soldiers faced, accusations of cowardice etc - according to him, a large explosion up close is something that you feel right down to the very atoms of your bones, and you'll have run a thousand miles away from that before your brain is even aware that your legs have started moving, it's a totally primal and instinctive reaction.

If even trained soldiers have difficulty suppressing that basic instinct, civilians who've had a couple of fire drill type lessons in school wouldn't stand a chance. It's just one of those things.

everlast75

Conservative wrote: »

Even in its most "moderate" forms Islam is an ugly and oppressive belief system. Take a listen to the Clonee Imam on Ray D'arcy from a year or so ago to hear what the leaders of Islam in Ireland are willing to say in public with a straight face. It's 2017!!!

The scenes from Syria and elsewhere are heartbreaking to watch but people who live their lives by this horse**** should not be allowed to enter Europe.

By all means go and bomb the **** out of Isis, create safe zones and put pressure on the wealthy (richest countries on earth) to do their bit for their fellow Muslims but under no circumstances would I welcome a single refugee into Ireland or any other EU country.

As for those born and bred in the UK, France etc. internment could be put in place today. Anybody suspected of being involved in radicalism should be imprisoned until it is proved otherwise.

If found guilty - death penalty.

This is the reason why there can't seem to be an informed debate on this difficult topic...

Thomas__

bmwguy wrote: »

...__... wrote: »

There has been attacks by Muslims in Europe since the 60's under one guise or another.

Correct. And with a higher death toll than there has been since 2000. It's just we have the media to report 24/7 now. But it's always happened. Lockerbie, Munich Olympics were 2 high profile ones

Munich was in 1972, Lockerbie in 1988. Inbetween was the hijacking of the Landshut (Lufthansa Flight 181) in 1977, Entebbe in 1976. Look at the distances of years that are between them and then look at what happened since 9/11 2001. Radical Palestinians, radical Islamists, all of them mostly from Arabic countries and also Muslims by their faith.

RocketRaccoon

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm not sure what your issue is with refugees, but I find it very disturbing.

My issue is not with genuine refugees. My issue is with the people infiltrating these groups to murder innocent Europeans.

Parchment

Widdershins wrote: »

That's what happens when people panic and all kinds of things can trigger panic, which spreads like wildfire.

Maybe it's an effect of having had a parent who was in the emergency services but I could never understand why people freak out completely and run blindly over one another and cause crushes. The fear is understandable but people could be trained in schools or at home as children so they have something to override that instinct if it ever comes down to it. I also can't understand why there are only ever one or two exits.
I hope that doesn't seem callous, it's just that these things are the preventable part of such tragedies

I get you but flight instinct will override any training. Imagine being there with your kids - you would run and nothing would stop you.

Will I Am Not

CeilingFly wrote: »

I think the more liklely scenario is that most of them probably have no idea of Islam and just follow the crowd like sheep. The same with most terrorist "causes". You just need to look on our doorstep in Northern Irealnd where people blindly followed the sinn fein / ira dictat and had no actual understanding of the issue.

I don't think anyone here is in a position to claim that most of them drink and don't even follow Islam. It's another one of those catchphrases for when your side loses...

homerjay2005

murpho999 wrote: »

Bet it turns out that this attacker is British.

have seen several people say this now, does it actually f*cking matter?

If you take a dump and it gets washed up somewhere many many miles away - its still a piece of sh*t and it still stinks.

Nationalities mean absolutely nothing now.

Widdershins

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NewsThisSecond/status/866783886193430528

You would have to wonder what they saw or heard to be fleeing like that.

That's what happens when people panic and all kinds of things can trigger panic, which spreads like wildfire.

Maybe it's an effect of having had a parent who was in the emergency services but I could never understand why people freak out completely and run blindly over one another and cause crushes. The fear is understandable but people could be trained in schools or at home as children so they have something to override that instinct if it ever comes down to it. I also can't understand why there are only ever one or two exits.
I hope that doesn't seem callous, it's just that these things are the preventable part of such tragedies

hatrickpatrick

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm not sure what your issue is with refugees, but I find it very disturbing.

To be fair, the anti refugee sentiment is understandable. I'm sure there were a lot of English people who were totally opposed to allowing Irish people into the UK during the troubles?

Free-2-Flow

miece16 wrote:

Where are the North Korean suicide bombers all over Europe?

They are not allowed out

miece16

Where are the North Korean suicide bombers all over Europe?

[Deleted User]

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Nobody has said they all are but 1 attack related to a refugee is 1 too many.

I'm not sure what your issue is with refugees, but I find it very disturbing.

hatrickpatrick

AnneFrank wrote: »

but what is the problem ? why are these young muslims prepared to blow themselves up,
it's too simplistic just to blame islam

Imagine you were an Irish emigrant living in America at the time of the potato famine. Imagine though that the potato famine occurred in the technologically connected world of today, meaning that you could see the horror stories being inflicted on your country and your people by Britain. Imagine you were constantly exposed to this on the news growing up as a kid.

Now try to state with 100% surety that you wouldn't have got involved with an international terrorist movement which aimed to seek revenge for this and/or attempt to actually change the policy through fear.

Most of us wouldn't. But then most Muslims of middle eastern descent don't join these movements either. The problem is that it only takes a handful to cause this kind of carnage.

It really is that simple. The "they hate our way of life" garbage is American propaganda which was put out very shortly after 9/11, to counter the word of Bin Laden himself who stated very openly that his motivation for attacking America was American support for Israeli expansion since 1967.

Throwing around simplistic explanations for an extremely complicated phenomenon is all well and good, but it's not going to solve anything whatsoever.

Thomas__

AnneFrank wrote: »

but what is the problem ? why are these young muslims prepared to blow themselves up,
it's too simplistic just to blame islam

What to you think those hate preachers are teaching them?

Conservative

Even in its most "moderate" forms Islam is an ugly and oppressive belief system. Take a listen to the Clonee Imam on Ray D'arcy from a year or so ago to hear what the leaders of Islam in Ireland are willing to say in public with a straight face. It's 2017!!!

The scenes from Syria and elsewhere are heartbreaking to watch but people who live their lives by this horse**** should not be allowed to enter Europe.

By all means go and bomb the **** out of Isis, create safe zones and put pressure on the wealthy (richest countries on earth) to do their bit for their fellow Muslims but under no circumstances would I welcome a single refugee into Ireland or any other EU country.

As for those born and bred in the UK, France etc. internment could be put in place today. Anybody suspected of being involved in radicalism should be imprisoned until it is proved otherwise.

If found guilty - death penalty.

sjb25

Trump calls attacker "an evil loser"

murpho999

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Nobody has said they all are but 1 attack related to a refugee is 1 too many.

You are focusing on them.

99% of refugees are genuine and fleeing for their lives.

It's just impossible to stop these kind of attacks as nutjobs are everywhere.

[Deleted User]

Where are the Chinese suicide bombers all over Europe?

RocketRaccoon

AnneFrank wrote: »

it's not, and though you like trolling every single comment on here, i would suggest you open your mind a little.
You sound like Donald Trump

Ok genius, why are they doing it? Why are these people killing our children?

bmwguy

...__... wrote: »

There has been attacks by Muslims in Europe since the 60's under one guise or another.

Correct. And with a higher death toll than there has been since 2000. It's just we have the media to report 24/7 now. But it's always happened. Lockerbie, Munich Olympics were 2 high profile ones

AnneFrank

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

No its not, the reason is just that simple.

it's not, and though you like trolling every single comment on here, i would suggest you open your mind a little.
You sound like Donald Trump

Beechwoodspark

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

No its not, the reason is just that simple.

The root problem is the sick ideology that demands attacks like this

RocketRaccoon

AnneFrank wrote: »

but what is the problem ? why are these young muslims prepared to blow themselves up,
it's too simplistic just to blame islam

No its not, the reason is just that simple.

AudreyHepburn

prinzeugen wrote: »

They are attacking the western way of life so any western country is at risk whether they have bombed the middle east or not.

Agreed.....I keep saying it's only a matter of time before we're hit.

We are a white western democratic country, technically catholic who treat women as equal. That's all the excuse these mad man need.

cournioni

everlast75 wrote: »

Because whether one agrees with it or not, it is a fundamental belief that everyone has the right to their religious beliefs.

Everyone has those rights in Western society. You're missing my point, maybe I should have made it clearer.

The question is, why do people seek to defend Islam from criticism? It's an ideology like Christianity or Scientology, two religions which people have no hesitations in criticizing.

Any ideology where its followers murder people for drawing cartoons needs to be criticized in my opinion.

hatrickpatrick

prinzeugen wrote: »

They are attacking the western way of life so any western country is at risk whether they have bombed the middle east or not.

Except they aren't, this is propaganda started by the US government. They've been very open about their motivation which is revenge for a longstanding Western foreign policy platform which they see as having sided with domestically unpopular governments because those governments were friendly towards the west, even if it meant ordinary people suffering in the relevant countries.

Arguing over the root causes is a bit irrelevant to be honest, the genie is out of the bottle here - whatever we believe the reason to be, large swathes of an entire generation have been radicalised and the only thing that matters now is how do we stop this kind of thing from happening.

For example, many reporting on Twitter last night that bags weren't searched upon entry to the venue - this is ludicrous.

AnneFrank

but what is the problem ? why are these young muslims prepared to blow themselves up,
it's too simplistic just to blame islam

...__...

bilston wrote: »

True, groups like the IRA, ETA, Hamas, Hezbollah have or had political goals that could be negotiated around. Daesh and AQ just seem to want to wipe out anyone who doesn't share their ideology. Of course what you can do look at the reasons why young men join these organisations and tackle those issues, ultimately ending poverty and a sense of injustice in the Middle East and other Muslim countries is the best way to win the War on Terrorism, that may sound wish washy liberalism but actually it's probably the only way of defeating this particular brand of terrorism.

That said a military/security response is also required to defeat those that have already gone the way of militant Islam.

It's a balancing act.

The one group that is harder to deal are homegrown terrorists. They already live in a liberal democracy with all the same freedoms as the rest of us and yet some still turn to terrorism. Yes they may have a tough upbringing, but then people from other communities have tough upbringings and don't turn to POLITICAL violence. The reality SOME within the Muslim community need to do more to integrate into Western society.

Id agree with most of that except putting Hamas and Hezzbollah o your list there a Fundamentalist group who both want Israel wiped off the map Hamas wants to kill every Jew alive its even in there charter.

lawred2

Tubridy is a little bit downbeat - how sad for him

Guy:Incognito

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

If they are extremists yes

Just stop the extremist refugees so.