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Why are our Gardai "soft" looking?

seachto7

Well, I'm not saying all Gardai are soft looking, but there's a fair whack of them who could do with keeping away from the table and going to a gym.

You look at them, and they don't look in any way threatening, or authoritative.

I don't know if it's the uniform or what. They seem to wear these oversized reflective jackets which are horrible.

I saw the police in action last week in Spain, and they don't f*ck about, and they actually look like they'd turn you over as well.

In Italy, they prefer to look good, but will equally f*ck you up.

I have seen Gardai in action, well able to handle themselves but not a whole lot.

Too many stories in the news of Gardai getting assaulted.

I have seen bangardai with arses the size of houses. (No good in a foot pursuit, let's be honest).

Lots of pudgy youngfellas on the beat.

I'm no oil painting myself.

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LexieOnRale wrote: »

The ones I know wouldn't be soft looking. I'm good friends with one who does a lot of boxing and kickboxing and goes for runs every day. I certainly wouldn't like to take him on on a Saturday night after the nightclub.

Just use plenty of lube.

Is that you Carla?

buck65

That Swedish cop video is hilarious. What about the guy who came into it after 90 seconds. Made a big play , failed and ****ed off?!
Jaysus they were hopeless. Why didn't they rush him together rather than trading from a distance in ones and twos?

Remember when you were a kid and someone would kneel behind you on all fours and the other guy would push you over! Surprised they didn't try it...

seachto7

All of the above!

Exeggcute

My friend is a Garda. Runs marathons, trains in the gym, does cross-fit. Big guy well able to look after himself...but all he has is a baton and a tiny can of pepper spray if he gets in a violent situation.

It is absolute nonsense. One time he had a totally naked guy charge out of a house screaming his head off that he was going to kill him. He had a machete.

How the hell is he supposed to deal with that? Luckily the ERU were nearby and saved his ass.

He also said that his female colleagues are beyond useless and in many cases put him in danger due to their inability to control a situation.

One time he was dealing with a situation, he had one guy handcuffed and asked his female colleague to hold onto him while he tackled another guy. He got that guy on the ground and when he looked up the other guy was running down the road. Then he got set upon by two more. His colleague stood there like a deer in the headlights. Sorry was the answer he got after getting lumps kicked out of him.

Female gardai have no place on the beat given the current failure to arm our police force to meet the challenges they face.

The people they deal with on a daily basis have zero respect for them and have no fear of them whatsoever.

Their uniforms are a joke, their equipment a joke and their vehicles a joke.

When they act, they put their jobs on the line because their hands are tied by political correctness and bureaucratic bull****.

Our police force is a joke, not fir for purpose and riddled with corruption. The whole thing needs to be disbanded and rethought from the ground up.

Their is nothing unique about Ireland that prevents us from having a modern, well equipped police force with the power to do their job properly.

Except do-gooders and the political willpower to implement the necessary changes.

b_mac2

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

I know a few women who do security work, and they'd be well handier at dealing with trouble than most young guards of either gender.

They probably wouldn't though to be honest. Unless they are professional boxers/MMA fighters and have a good 20kg+ weight advantage over a male, and even at that they would be hard pushed to beat a guy. That's not sexism either, that's just the joys of having way more testosterone.

Mrs OBumble

silverharp wrote: »

? also there is not much a female cop can do if someone doesn't want to cooperate

I know a few women who do security work, and they'd be well handier at dealing with trouble than most young guards of either gender.

The problem isn't the uniform or even the height issue . It's that they seem to recruit skinny blondes.

TallGlass

AlekSmart wrote: »

Oddly enough,the actual Job of Police Officer in the two juristictions differs significantly in terms of the regard it is held in.

In the U.K. the job of Police Constable is far more widely referred to,and regarded as just that...A Job.

Police Constable....a Job...just as any other,with a few additional powers and responsibilities,but apart from Maintaining Her Majesties Peace,nothing beyond the ken of an "ordinary" young person.

Contrast that with the Garda Siochana's traditional methodology of recruiting and training,which for many,appears to revolve around establishing and maintaining a secretive counter-culture very specifically focused upon it's membership (it's no coincidence that "Member" is the preferred term for a Garda internally).

I would far prefer to see becoming a Garda in Ireland being simply just another Job,with noting secretive or requiring of an Oath to ensure it's functioning.

One of the immediate requisites for change is a rapid injection of Youth into the mid & upper ranks of the force.

Comparing,for example,a UK/PSNI Crime Scene Press Conference and a Garda Siochana one would often give the impression that most mid-ranking Garda Officers were being interviewed in a Retirement Home,such is their obvious seniority.

There are plenty of committed and enthusiastic Gardai out there,but they are being remorselessly ground down by the antiquated and now largely outated practices from a bygone era...

It's time to get Micheal McCDowell to perhaps ask that question once more...

"What sort of Police Force DO we actually want" :eek:

It more than a job because from what I have heard from the news it's run very poorly and the role of Gardaí covers pretty much everything and more. In the UK, they have dedicated civilian teams that take there share of the work, entire custody suites with staff/police just for that one purpose of holding people, in Ireland, a Gardaí going into work doesn't know if it's out in the car, beat, custody or behind a desk for the day/night, or what ever else it is that night. There just a few examples of how the UK in my eye is run better and in turn functions better.

And just to add, the UK Police actually complain about how there job is more than just a Police officer it's turned into a social worker basically.

As for why the Gardaí look unfit, Ireland is one of the main EU countries set for a obesity problem, so I doubt this is just limited to the Gardaí, you could nearly look at any other profession and ask why there are unfit people in it and compare it too another EU state.

Green Peter

AlekSmart wrote:

Oddly enough,the actual Job of Police Officer in the two juristictions differs significantly in terms of the regard it is held in.

AlekSmart wrote:

In the U.K. the job of Police Constable is far more widely referred to,and regarded as just that...A Job.

AlekSmart wrote:

Police Constable....a Job...just as any other,with a few additional powers and responsibilities,but apart from Maintaining Her Majesties Peace,nothing beyond the ken of an "ordinary" young person.

AlekSmart wrote:

Contrast that with the Garda Siochana's traditional methodology of recruiting and training,which for many,appears to revolve around establishing and maintaining a secretive counter-culture very specifically focused upon it's membership (it's no coincidence that "Member" is the preferred term for a Garda internally).

TallGlass wrote:

Last time I checked, nor our-selfs or the UK are a dictatorship. If your not happy with the pay in your job, get one that pays you what you think is a fair wage and stop begrudging others in better paid jobs. No one is forcing anyone to work on a building site for low pay.

Very true, generally its people with chips on their shoulders who have attitudes like this. Arsed about in school and went from day to day without improving their lot. Likely to have failed the entrance exam but won't tell us that!

Victor

seachto7 wrote: »

You look at them, and they don't look in any way threatening

They're not meant to look threatening. Such a look can prevent contact with the community, which makes policing more difficult.

seachto7

Police brutality is a separate issue, as in abusing their powers, but you're right, the bleeding heart brigade here would be up in arms at little Johnny scumbag getting a boot up the hole by the law.

TallGlass

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Work on building site in London Labouring and then you will see what really work is and what very low pay is. Compared to gardai big pay .

Last time I checked, nor our-selfs or the UK are a dictatorship. If your not happy with the pay in your job, get one that pays you what you think is a fair wage and stop begrudging others in better paid jobs. No one is forcing anyone to work on a building site for low pay.

Atoms for Peace

The gaurds like a lot of our institutions are badly in need of reform, but In fairness one of the greatest successes of the Garda is that we've been through the civil war and the troubles without the need for a paramilitary police force.

AlekSmart

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

They're on the same money in the UK. Anyway, it doesn't matter what police are being paid abroad, this is Ireland.

Oddly enough,the actual Job of Police Officer in the two juristictions differs significantly in terms of the regard it is held in.

In the U.K. the job of Police Constable is far more widely referred to,and regarded as just that...A Job.

Police Constable....a Job...just as any other,with a few additional powers and responsibilities,but apart from Maintaining Her Majesties Peace,nothing beyond the ken of an "ordinary" young person.

Contrast that with the Garda Siochana's traditional methodology of recruiting and training,which for many,appears to revolve around establishing and maintaining a secretive counter-culture very specifically focused upon it's membership (it's no coincidence that "Member" is the preferred term for a Garda internally).

I would far prefer to see becoming a Garda in Ireland being simply just another Job,with noting secretive or requiring of an Oath to ensure it's functioning.

One of the immediate requisites for change is a rapid injection of Youth into the mid & upper ranks of the force.

Comparing,for example,a UK/PSNI Crime Scene Press Conference and a Garda Siochana one would often give the impression that most mid-ranking Garda Officers were being interviewed in a Retirement Home,such is their obvious seniority.

There are plenty of committed and enthusiastic Gardai out there,but they are being remorselessly ground down by the antiquated and now largely outated practices from a bygone era...

It's time to get Micheal McCDowell to perhaps ask that question once more...

"What sort of Police Force DO we actually want" :eek:

Kaizersoze81

You can't have it every way. Other countries such as Italy, France, Poland etc have "hard" looking police as the general public there want them to crack down on scumbag behaviour and not be afraid to be heavy handed when necessary. In Ireland if a guard lays as much a hand on a scumbag, the public record it on their phones and upload it to YouTube/Facebook whereupon there are cries of police brutality and calls for the guard to be sacked. So which is it you want?

Armchair Andy

Jayesdiem wrote:

Next time you pass a young guard, hold eye contact with him and see can he go the distance with it.

Have noticed this as well. They're in a position of authority yet very few exude it.

lukesmom

Because they're nancy boys

Green Peter

please helpThank YOU wrote:

The min you mention money, and big money, Gardai get payed this seems to very sore subjected to Gardai . The will call you all the names for having a opinion that the are very well payed its a great job there is a lot Gardai Millionaires, with there side lines from get into property from having the job for life in the Gardai bank manger loves that.

I get the feeling you hate all gardai

Atoms for Peace

They're more Carbonara than Carbonari.

please helpThank YOU

The min you mention money, and big money, Gardai get payed this seems to very sore subjected to Gardai . The will call you all the names for having a opinion that the are very well payed its a great job there is a lot Gardai Millionaires, with there side lines from get into property from having the job for life in the Gardai bank manger loves that.

Green Peter

Never judge a book by it's cover, I learned the hard way!

seachto7

Irish Stones wrote: »

Are you sure?
We think the same of ours and look at others' police with a bit of admiration.

I lived there. Yes.

silverharp

Irish Raven wrote: »

Typical Irish mentality of complaining....if they do their jobs and restrain people, people are on the radio's giving out and in the papers, on about garda brutality.....if they dont look like a stereo typical world wide police officer, they are not fit for purpose...

This country is a joke....anarchy is rife....we should let the low life's getting paid for sitting at home on the couch, run and police the country, they seem to know how to do everything bar get a job!

OP this ain't a reflection of you working or not...

Rant over!!

there has been instances where guards were beaten up by teenagers, so erm the pc's are being put at risk to be pc.

AlekSmart

Pinch Flat wrote: »

A lot of continental countries have paramilitary police forces - gendarmerie in France, caribeneiri in Italy, guardian civil in Spain. Our police force would be considered a community police force in another EU country.

Some years ago,when Minister for Justice,Micheal McDowell actually posed the question..."What type of Police Force does Ireland want ? ".

He went on to describe the types as outlined by Pinch Flat,but concluded that the current "Civic Guard" setup,effectively a Community Police Force,operating with the consent and co-operation of "the Community" as the preferred option for our State.

That,at least,is the theory anyway.

However,the Ireland of today is a tad further on from the DeVelara era and the Broy Harriers,which even in terms of a Uniform,now leaves our Gardai ill equipped to deal with basic Policing occurences.

Also,and as is now all to readily apparent,there is a significant shortfall in the basic training now being provided to Gardai.

The ethos of our Police Force now MUST be addressed,as the long standing,and still confidential "Garda Code" can no longer be justified as the basis on which to construct a modern responsive Law Enforcement agency.

A good starting point might be to ask "What is the purpose of a Police Force" and work on from there ?

Irish Stones

seachto7 wrote: »

In Italy, they prefer to look good, but will equally f*ck you up.

Are you sure?
We think the same of ours and look at others' police with a bit of admiration.

please helpThank YOU

TallGlass wrote: »

That's up there with the biggest pile of shíté I have read on this site.

Work on building site in London Labouring and then you will see what really work is and what very low pay is. Compared to gardai big pay .

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Mr.H wrote: »

They are on better money than a lot of police forces in Europe including the UK.

They're on the same money in the UK. Anyway, it doesn't matter what police are being paid abroad, this is Ireland.

Jayesdiem

Bloody useless cops we have. I've seen little girls trying to pass as guards have their arses handed to them by teenage boys outside a chipper at 3am. Another time while taking an early morning stroll I had to come to a male and female guards' rescue in restraining a hoodlum because she had put her pepper spray in her own eyes and couldn't see a thing. Fcuking pathetic they are. Next time you pass a young guard, hold eye contact with him and see can he go the distance with it.

TallGlass

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Gardai soft `looking. There getting payed way to much money for such a easy Job. If it was a harder Job and less pay you would get the meaner looks then .

That's up there with the biggest pile of shíté I have read on this site.

please helpThank YOU

Gardai soft `looking. There getting payed way to much money for such a easy Job. If it was a harder Job and less pay you would get the meaner looks then .

Irish Raven

silverharp wrote:

they got rid of the height requirement and replaced it with a fitness test , I want my guards to be good ol' South Tipperary farmers sons, hulks of men. I mean if some 6'4 rugby player out of his head of drink and cocaine has you by the neck, who do you want coming to your rescue? also there is not much a female cop can do if someone doesn't want to cooperate

gramar wrote:

Everytime in Dublin airport passport control I get a warm smile and 'Thanks Gramar'...never fails. They'll be passing me out a mug of tea with the passport next.

Typical Irish mentality of complaining....if they do their jobs and restrain people, people are on the radio's giving out and in the papers, on about garda brutality.....if they dont look like a stereo typical world wide police officer, they are not fit for purpose...

This country is a joke....anarchy is rife....we should let the low life's getting paid for sitting at home on the couch, run and police the country, they seem to know how to do everything bar get a job!

OP this ain't a reflection of you working or not...

Rant over!!