kfallon wrote: » El_Duderino 09 wrote: » We all pay lip service to mental health but when the rubber meets the road, it's a different story. I should think anyone can see that the mad wasn't in his right mind when he did it. All 4 are victims of mental health. I'm just glad this issue didn't affect me but I don't see the point in slagging off any one of the victims in this tragedy. Who slagged off the 'victims' in this tragedy?
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » We all pay lip service to mental health but when the rubber meets the road, it's a different story. I should think anyone can see that the mad wasn't in his right mind when he did it. All 4 are victims of mental health. I'm just glad this issue didn't affect me but I don't see the point in slagging off any one of the victims in this tragedy.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » I'm classing all 4 as victims to some extent or another.
livedadream wrote: » to be fair i think it was pretty clearly outlined at the time that it wasnt mental health issues that he had, it was that he was a wife beater who was about to be outted so to prevent the fall from grace killed him family. its a bit unfair on people who have actual health health issues to lump this guy in with them.
kfallon wrote: » El_Duderino 09 wrote: » I'm classing all 4 as victims to some extent or another. You've some neck to call him a victim I tell ya!
blue note wrote: » livedadream wrote: » to be fair i think it was pretty clearly outlined at the time that it wasnt mental health issues that he had, it was that he was a wife beater who was about to be outted so to prevent the fall from grace killed him family. its a bit unfair on people who have actual health health issues to lump this guy in with them. Where did you hear that? I remember various things being speculated at the time, but to be honest I got tired of everyone going around in circles and tuned out here. But I don't remember anything more than speculation in relation to prior domestic violence.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » kfallon wrote: » El_Duderino 09 wrote: » I'm classing all 4 as victims to some extent or another. You've some neck to call him a victim I tell ya! Like I said, it's easy to pay lip service to mental health but it's another thing to actually deal with the reality.
livedadream wrote: » ive posted a few pages back on it, the mother did an interview here she discussed wanting a voice for Clodagh and domestic violence, this was a few weeks after the funeral when the preliminary results of the investigation were released to the family. something obviously showed up in that as they wouldnt have buried him with them if they'd known.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » kfallon wrote: » El_Duderino 09 wrote: » We all pay lip service to mental health but when the rubber meets the road, it's a different story. I should think anyone can see that the mad wasn't in his right mind when he did it. All 4 are victims of mental health. I'm just glad this issue didn't affect me but I don't see the point in slagging off any one of the victims in this tragedy. Who slagged off the 'victims' in this tragedy? I'm classing all 4 as victims to some extent or another.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Like I said, it's easy to pay lip service to mental health but it's another thing to actually deal with the reality.
Lollipops23 wrote: » livedadream wrote: » ive posted a few pages back on it, the mother did an interview here she discussed wanting a voice for Clodagh and domestic violence, this was a few weeks after the funeral when the preliminary results of the investigation were released to the family. something obviously showed up in that as they wouldnt have buried him with them if they'd known. I thought Clodagh's sister had said the priest bullied the family into burying him with the others. And when they came to their senses weeks later, they realised how awful it was.
robbiezero wrote: » livedadream wrote: » ive posted a few pages back on it, the mother did an interview here she discussed wanting a voice for Clodagh and domestic violence, this was a few weeks after the funeral when the preliminary results of the investigation were released to the family. something obviously showed up in that as they wouldnt have buried him with them if they'd known. So where did you get the wife beater info?
livedadream wrote: » who had a mental illness? and can you pass on a link to the information, this is a topic im studying at the moment and would be interested to know where the info of his mental illness comes from.
January wrote: » El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Like I said, it's easy to pay lip service to mental health but it's another thing to actually deal with the reality. Except he wasn't mentally ill.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Like I said, it's easy to pay lip service to mental health but it's another thing to actually deal with the reality. He committed a horrible crime. "No, he was mad." How do you know? "Only a madman would commit such a horrible crime."
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » How could we possibly know that? The evidence is the murder suicide. I don't like the guy and I wouldn't want to go for a pint with him were he alive. Familial murder dioxide is a fairly stone cold case of a mental breakdown.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Like I said, it's easy to pay lip service to mental health but it's another thing to actually deal with the reality. He committed a horrible crime."No, he was mad."How do you know?"Only a madman would commit such a horrible crime."
livedadream wrote: » kfallon wrote: » El_Duderino 09 wrote: » We all pay lip service to mental health but when the rubber meets the road, it's a different story. I should think anyone can see that the mad wasn't in his right mind when he did it. All 4 are victims of mental health. I'm just glad this issue didn't affect me but I don't see the point in slagging off any one of the victims in this tragedy. Who slagged off the 'victims' in this tragedy? i think the poster believes that Alan was a victim of mental illness so therefore non compos mentis when the act occurred, therefore removing his guilt. the timeline and facts of the case would disgree but each to their own.
groovyg wrote: » Interview from Clodagh Hawes mom and sister back in December which say Clodagh was a victim of domestic abuse hence why they were raising money for Women's Aidhttp://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/clodagh-boys-never-stood-chance-9367017http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/what-alan-evil-theres-no-8967033http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/family-to-set-up-refuge-in-memory-of-murdered-clodagh-and-sons-35493842.htmlhttp://www.independent.ie/irish-news/warm-loving-bright-and-capable-mother-and-sister-of-tragic-clodagh-hawe-move-to-help-women-living-in-fear-35265105.htmlRelations between the two families have deteriorated
s4uv3 wrote: » Thousands upon thousands of people have mental health issues and manage to not murder their entire immediate family.
robbiezero wrote: » Where does it say that he was a wife-beater?
groovyg wrote: » Where did I call him a wife beater? I just posted links as people were saying he was mentally ill but her family are saying the opposite.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Ah I see your mistake I never said he didn't. I think he committed a horrible crime. I also think it's fairly clear this was a mental health issue. I never said anything about removing guilt. He did it. Everyone knows that. The opposite logic seems to be at play. People with mental health issues are to be pitied. I can't pity this man. Therefore he didn't have a mental health problem
groovyg wrote: » robbiezero wrote: » Where does it say that he was a wife-beater? Where did I call him a wife beater? I just posted links as people were saying he was mentally ill but her family are saying the opposite.
Paisleigh Weak Peace wrote: » El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Ah I see your mistake I never said he didn't. I think he committed a horrible crime. I also think it's fairly clear this was a mental health issue. I never said anything about removing guilt. He did it. Everyone knows that. The opposite logic seems to be at play. People with mental health issues are to be pitied. I can't pity this man. Therefore he didn't have a mental health problem No, horrible abusive controlling ****heads sometimes annihilate their families; as do people with serious mental health problems. It's pretty clear in this case that he was in the former category. Some people with mental health problems are compelled to steal, physically attack gardai, roar abuse at strangers on the street. It doesn't mean that everyone who does those things gets a pass.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » I never said anything about giving anyone a pass. Where is that notion even coming from?
