D14Rugby wrote: » In fairness with those two you've mentioned dardis has been really unlucky with injuries,when he gets 4/5 games under his belt he looks very good but unfortunately that hasn't happened a lot, and Brewer was brought in as a guy converted to centre who was improving as a centre but he just wasn't enjoying playing there so dropped out and went to NZ and back to flanker. He has looked good as a flanker since returning but that's a very very competitive area. I see what you're saying but I don't think those two can be put down to short term thinking.
FrannoFan wrote: » yea, dardis a bad example. he looked ridiculously talented at one stage. Think tony ward did the over hype nonsense of calling for him to be in an irish squad (think a 20 year old watson was being called up to england at same time) still feel while Girve was in charge lads succeeded in spite of him rather than because of him . Wasn't impressed with his time in charge but that is just my personal feeling on the matter. i'm sure plenty feel he did fine in the role.
letf wrote: » So you don't rate Girve as a coach? I think there is certainly question marks over how good he is. Dardis just doesn't do anything outstandingly and isn't an elite athlete for his size.. his 17 year old brother is a better athlete and bigger.
Ayewserious wrote: » Will Conor dean be offered an academy place?
FrannoFan wrote: » No, don't rate Girve. Jobs for the boys.
Interested Observer wrote: » There have been an almost unprecedented crop of youngsters who've come through the academy into the senior squad in recent years, particularly forwards. You're looking at guys as far back as Jack McGrath up to guys this season like ROL. You note some common things with them, they're all highly professional and driven, every single one from front-row to back-three has better ball skills than anyone could expect from a group of Irish players, fitness is excellent, and while it's somewhat an external factor the quality of player has been pretty outstanding. An awful lot of that happened under Girve's watch. Think you guys are being a bit harsh on him, from where I'm sitting it looks like he did a very good job in the academy.
letf wrote: » rate Smyth? I think Leinster are very lucky Lancaster came in when he did..
FrannoFan wrote: » Jury out on Smyth but at least he has a coaching history with blackrock and Marys AIL. You would hope he has a good view of clubs and schools with that background. You would worry he may be overly biased by his own Blackrock history as a student and coach but would hope not. Girve had no coaching history when he got the job (B&I Cup a load of nonsense) Fogarty the same. Lancaster has saved Leinster. Delighted we have him and delighted it looks like he is staying for two more years at least.
FrannoFan wrote: » They are highly professional and driven as you said and those traits were all evident when they were underage. As MOC said when he was with us no one survives the Leinster system who isn't and who isn't a bit of a leader as well (look at the number of captains of schools/U20's etc who have come through) He would be pretty shocking if NO players came through the system under his watch. The academy is meant to add the polish/prepare them for the pro game. Fitness, core skills, s&c are all worked on by the clubs and schools before they ever get as far as academy.
FrannoFan wrote: » if only 4 players have been made offers it sounds like there will be more made. As said, that is a low number to take in. Wait and see before getting too worried. A player might be good enough for Connacht who are realistically fighting for 6th in the table, that same player might not be good enough for leinster who basically are looking for international quality players. Both clubs are fighting on different fronts. Same way a player might be good enough for stoke city wouldn't be of interest to Real Madrid i would agree there is an issue with players from big schools appearing better than there club counter parts. The academy should be looking rough diamonds to polish not the finished articles. Talking to an S&C coach from Leinster he reckons it takes at least a year to close the physical conditioning gap. There does seem to be some seriously short term thinking from academy managers since colin mcentee was replaced by girvan Dempsey
thebaz wrote: » No - schools are primarily about education, not professional rugby - besides current system is working pretty good, the quality of young players coming through Leinster academies is excellent, I can never remember a better crop of players.
sjwpjw wrote: » According to the RBAI fb page two of their leavers have full Ulster Academy places with another getting a sub Academy place. What is the difference if anyone knows?
letf wrote: » Prop Saba Meunargia(Year 3/Connacht) - on loan at Nottingham Jamie Dever(Year 3/Connacht) - future uncertain Rory Burke(Year 3/Munster) - future uncertain Brian Scott(Year 3/Munster) - future uncertain Michael Lagan(Year 3/Ulster) - future uncertain Craig Trenier(Year 3/Ulster) - future uncertain Ross Kane(Year 2/Ulster) - promoted to senior contract Oisin Heffernan(Year 2/Leinster) Jeremy Loughman(Year 2/Leinster) Liam O'Connor(Year 2/Munster) JP Phelan(Year 2/Munster) Conan O'Donnell(Year 2/Connacht) Peter Cooper(Year 2/Ulster) Conor Kyne(Year 2/Connacht) Andrew Porter(Year 1/Leinster) - promoted to senior contract Conor Kenny(Year 1/Connacht) Tommy O'Hagan(Year 1/Ulster)Hooker Jack Dineen(Year 3/Connacht) - future uncertain Pat O'Toole(Year 2/Connacht) Sean McNulty(Year 2/Leinster) Adam McBurney(Year 1/Ulster) Zack McCall(Year 1/Ulster) Vincent O'Brien(Year 1/Munster)Second Row Alex Thompson(Year 3/Ulster) - future uncertain Cian Romaine(Year 2/Connacht) - playing club rugby in NZ for summer Peter Claffey(Year 1/Connacht) Cillian Gallagher(Year 1/Connacht) James Ryan(Year 1/Leinster) - promoted to senior contract Sean O'Connor(Year 1/Munster) Fineen Wycherley(Year 1/Munster)Backrow Marc Kelly(Year 3/Connacht) - future uncertain Peadar Timmins(Year 3/Leinster) - promoted to senior contract Stephen McVeigh(Year 2/Connacht) Josh Murphy(Year 2/Leinster) David O'Connor(Year 2/Leinster) Nick Timoney(Year 2/Ulster) Ben Kilkenny(Year 2/Munster) Conor Oliver(Year 2/Munster) Ollie Lyons(Year 2/Munster) - released earlier in the season Max Deegan(Year 1/Leinster) Will Connors(Year 1/Leinster) Aaron Hall(Year 1/Ulster) Conall Boomer(Year 1/Ulster) Marcus Rea(Year 1/Ulster) Gavin Coombes(Year 1/Munster) John Foley(Year 1/Munster)Scrumhalf Conor McKeon(Year 3/Connacht) - future uncertain Nick McCarthy(Year 3/Leinster) - promoted to senior contract Conor Lowndes(Year 2/Connacht) Charlie Rock(Year 2/Leinster) Stephen Kerins(Year 1/Connacht) Jonny Stewart(Year 1/Ulster)Outhalf Ross Byrne(Year 3/Leinster) - promoted to senior contract Joey Carbery(Year 2/Leinster) - promoted to senior contract Bill Johnston(Year 2/Munster) Andy MaGrath(Year 2/Ulster)Outside Backs Rory O'Loughlin(Year 3/Leinster) - promoted to senior contract Ciaran Gaffney(Year 3/Connacht) - playing club rugby in NZ for summer Jack Owens(Year 3/Ulster) - future uncertain David Busby(Year 3/Ulster) - future uncertain Dan Goggin(Year 3/Munster) - future uncertain Greg O'Shea(Year 3/Munster) - future uncertain Stephen Fitzgerald(Year 3/Munster) - future uncertain Ned Hodson(Year 2/Munster) Cormac Brennan(Year 2/Connacht) Ed O'Keefe(Year 2/Connacht) Steven McMahon(Year 2/Munster) Rob Lyttle(Year 2/Ulster) - promoted to senior contract Rory Butler(Year 1/Ulster) Jimmy O'Brien(Year 1/Leinster) Conor O'Brien(Year 1/Leinster) Shane Daly(Year 1/Munster) Calvin Nash(Year 1/Munster) Terry Kennedy(Year 1/Leinster) Jack Power(Year 1/Leinster) Hugo Keenan(Year 1/Leinster) Adam Leavy(Year 1/Connacht) Aaron Cairns(Year 1/Ulster) Matthew Byrne(Year 1/Connacht)
letf wrote: » Prop Saba Meunargia(Year 3/Connacht) - on loan at Nottingham Jamie Dever(Year 3/Connacht) - future uncertain Rory Burke(Year 3/Munster) - future uncertain Brian Scott(Year 3/Munster) - future uncertain Michael Lagan(Year 3/Ulster) - future uncertain Craig Trenier(Year 3/Ulster) - future uncertain Ross Kane(Year 2/Ulster) - promoted to senior contract Oisin Heffernan(Year 2/Leinster) Jeremy Loughman(Year 2/Leinster) Liam O'Connor(Year 2/Munster) JP Phelan(Year 2/Munster) Conan O'Donnell(Year 2/Connacht) Peter Cooper(Year 2/Ulster) Conor Kyne(Year 2/Connacht) Andrew Porter(Year 1/Leinster) - promoted to senior contract Conor Kenny(Year 1/Connacht) Tommy O'Hagan(Year 1/Ulster)Hooker Jack Dineen(Year 3/Connacht) - future uncertain Pat O'Toole(Year 2/Connacht) Sean McNulty(Year 2/Leinster) Adam McBurney(Year 1/Ulster) Zack McCall(Year 1/Ulster) Vincent O'Brien(Year 1/Munster)Second Row Alex Thompson(Year 3/Ulster) - future uncertain Cian Romaine(Year 2/Connacht) - playing club rugby in NZ for summer Peter Claffey(Year 1/Connacht) Cillian Gallagher(Year 1/Connacht) James Ryan(Year 1/Leinster) - promoted to senior contract Sean O'Connor(Year 1/Munster) Fineen Wycherley(Year 1/Munster)Backrow Marc Kelly(Year 3/Connacht) - future uncertain Peadar Timmins(Year 3/Leinster) - promoted to senior contract Stephen McVeigh(Year 2/Connacht) Josh Murphy(Year 2/Leinster) David O'Connor(Year 2/Leinster) Nick Timoney(Year 2/Ulster) Ben Kilkenny(Year 2/Munster) Conor Oliver(Year 2/Munster) Ollie Lyons(Year 2/Munster) - released earlier in the season Max Deegan(Year 1/Leinster) Will Connors(Year 1/Leinster) Aaron Hall(Year 1/Ulster) Conall Boomer(Year 1/Ulster) Marcus Rea(Year 1/Ulster) Gavin Coombes(Year 1/Munster) John Foley(Year 1/Munster)Scrumhalf Conor McKeon(Year 3/Connacht) - promoted to senior contract Nick McCarthy(Year 3/Leinster) - promoted to senior contract Conor Lowndes(Year 2/Connacht) Charlie Rock(Year 2/Leinster) Stephen Kerins(Year 1/Connacht) Jonny Stewart(Year 1/Ulster)Outhalf Ross Byrne(Year 3/Leinster) - promoted to senior contract Joey Carbery(Year 2/Leinster) - promoted to senior contract Bill Johnston(Year 2/Munster) Andy MaGrath(Year 2/Ulster)Outside Backs Rory O'Loughlin(Year 3/Leinster) - promoted to senior contract Ciaran Gaffney(Year 3/Connacht) - playing club rugby in NZ for summer Jack Owens(Year 3/Ulster) - future uncertain David Busby(Year 3/Ulster) - future uncertain Dan Goggin(Year 3/Munster) - future uncertain Greg O'Shea(Year 3/Munster) - future uncertain Stephen Fitzgerald(Year 3/Munster) - future uncertain Ned Hodson(Year 2/Munster) Cormac Brennan(Year 2/Connacht) Ed O'Keefe(Year 2/Connacht) Steven McMahon(Year 2/Munster) Rob Lyttle(Year 2/Ulster) - promoted to senior contract Rory Butler(Year 1/Ulster) Jimmy O'Brien(Year 1/Leinster) Conor O'Brien(Year 1/Leinster) Shane Daly(Year 1/Munster) Calvin Nash(Year 1/Munster) Terry Kennedy(Year 1/Leinster) Jack Power(Year 1/Leinster) Hugo Keenan(Year 1/Leinster) Adam Leavy(Year 1/Connacht) Aaron Cairns(Year 1/Ulster) Matthew Byrne(Year 1/Connacht)
ScrumORProp wrote: » Munster released Ned Hodson, Steve McMahon and Bill Kilkenny early. Also released Rory Burke and Greg O'Shea. Promoted Conor Oliver and Bill Johnston early. Also promoted Stephen Fitzgerald, Brian Scott and Dan goggin.