AtomicHorror wrote: » This whole exchange undermines your opinion hugely tbh. IVF is used for animal breeding. An egg fertilised in a dish and then implanted. Never have I heard of an embryo or fetus being transferred out of one womb and into another, and if that technique existed it would be remarkably risky for mother and unborn both. Far more so than natural birth.
notjustsweet wrote: » Well the last line is true. You're too lazy to see beyond your own point of view. As explained many, many, many times a fetus is a medical term. There's been more than one person on this thread that is anti- abortion for themselves but unselfish enough to see that other women should be allowed a choice other than the one they themselves want.
Demonique wrote: » me_right_one wrote: » Even if that means killing someone else's body? Yes
me_right_one wrote: » Even if that means killing someone else's body?
pilly wrote: » Continue to post crap no doubt.
LirW wrote: » I also want to throw in that if there is this strong mentality of pro-life, why don't they actually fight for easier access to permanent birth control solutions for women? All women get for wanting her tubes to be tied is being belittled, unless she hits a certain age (that is in fact quite high) or has quadrillion kids. Also it's proven by now that a lot of women suffer some form of negative side effect from hormonal birth control, but they still have to put up with it, especially in long term relationships because there is a lack of options and permanent solutions are usually met with hesitation from doctors. In that case men have it a bit easier to get a vasectomy. Before I had my daughter 2 months ago, it happened a few times to me that midwives, doctors and people were telling me "oh, you'll change your mind, see you in a few years". Oh absolutely not, I have two, two is fine, in fact I'm done. I by the way got refused for tubal ligation straight when I asked for it in the hospital. For the fact, that people are screaming for every precious life, where is the awareness to not let that happen in the first place? Also why is there never a talk about some kind of a "compromise?" In a lot of countries on the mainland, abortion is technically illegal but brought in the system that it's not illegal until you're full 12 weeks pregnant (In cases of foetal abnormalities you can terminate a pregnancy up until week 25 or so).
ricero wrote: » Liberals are trying to ruin this countries morality. I for one will not vote in abortion to be used as a easy fix for hussies who forget to use contraception
farmer john8 wrote: » if the scumbag lefty liberals want to abort their own children they can go right ahead and jump on a ferry to the uk and on the way back jump off.they wont dictate to the ordinary decent people of ireland
Demonique wrote: » There are quite a few pro-lifers who believe that babies are a gift from god and using birth control is refusing god's gift and is therefore bad.
infogiver wrote: » Medical terms are used by medical personnel. You need to hurry up and correct the tennis player Serena Williams who has released a statement concerning her "unborn child ". She mustn't realise that she's offending people who resent anything other than medical terminology when referring to the delicate subject of pregnancy. Something must be done.
Zaph wrote: » What about those hussies who do use contraception but it fails?
infogiver wrote: Well I'm sure we all appreciate your tireless perusing of these forums in your never ending quest to draw posters attention to how very wrong they are. Keep up the good work.
A Little Pony wrote: » ricero wrote: » Liberals are trying to ruin this countries morality. I for one will not vote in abortion to be used as a easy fix for hussies who forget to use contraception Fully agree. People don't like personal responsibility in society now. It's everyone else fault now.
Woodville56 wrote: » So now abortion is being suggested as saving a defenseless newborn baby an uncertain childhood by killing it in the womb? Such a disingenuous argument , when the real reason is about getting rid of an unwanted pregnancy ?
Demonique wrote: » Yes
spakman wrote: » But a lot of people want abortions not only when it's a necessity, but when it's inconvenient for them to have a baby.
spakman wrote: » I don't understand how people can square this in their conscience - they've wilfully ended the life of their child/foetus. I'm not at all religious but ethically, morally, that is just wrong.
professore wrote: » For me it was discussing it with my wife and she says at 12 weeks she could feel the baby moving inside her and couldn't understand how anyone in good conscience could have an abortion at that stage. That kind of clinched it for me. And we are both stainch atheists that believe assisted suicide should be legal. No amount of medical terminology will convince me otherwise. 8 weeks max I think.
spakman wrote: » Oh come on, a sperm or an egg on their own are not and cannot become a human being. But when the sperm has the fertilised the egg, it's a different story.
cinnamony wrote: » I am pro choice but I must admit I'm not sure as to what extent the accidental pregnancy/contraception failed excuse holds in a country like Ireland. You are usually recommended to use 2 forms of contraception and from what I know (please correct me if I am wrong) contraceptive pills/shots implants etc... are not only easily available but free on the medical card. Condoms are easily available too in stores etc.. So in these cases I'm not sure if there's a pro choice argument to be made barr that people should be able to do what they want with their bodies..
farmer john8 wrote: » .they wont dictate to the ordinary decent people of ireland
notjustsweet wrote: » 12 weeks is incredibly early to feel kicks, that's very rare! A genius perhaps??! That's nice for you and your wife and I'm really glad you have lovely memories and each other to share it with. Knowing that, can you imagine how hard a decision it must be for anyone who has to make it then? It must be utterly heart breaking and they would have good reasons. Not the "inconvenience" that's thrown around but something private and personal to them. On top of that should they then have to travel to another country and face shame and misery or have to hide it? While we'd hope every pregnancy is the lovely hopeful experience your wife had perhaps we could be understanding of the women who aren't that lucky? You can say "I would do x" while understanding people in terrible situations might have to do y and allowing them the choice.
AtomicHorror wrote: » Woodville56 wrote: » So now abortion is being suggested as saving a defenseless newborn baby an uncertain childhood by killing it in the womb? Such a disingenuous argument , when the real reason is about getting rid of an unwanted pregnancy ? "Now"? Where have you been? Abortion has always been about more than just stopping a pregnancy. Is this your first abortion debate or are you playing incredulous?
pilly wrote: » I know I'm going to be sorry for this post but I have been thinking about something. I am pro-choice but if legislation is passed to allow abortion in all circumstances how is it going to be paid for and do our hospitals have the capacity even to meet demand. My opinion on it would be that people who need abortion for medical reasons, absolutely it should be free but for those that chose it they should have to pay.
