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Eir rural FTTH thread

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I made this thread for people on eir rural blue line FTTH please keep here and don't post in Eircom FTTH 66 towns 1 Gb thread about rural FTTH rollout.

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superloopy

Fibre to the press release.

Again.

And again.

Gonzo

superloopy wrote: »

Fibre to the press release.

Again.

And again.

not really. They can't perform miracles and have the entire country on FTTH this year, but they are making progress and the only ones doing so. Virgin Media are happy to just serve Dublin and other large urban centres, Siro only serve urban areas too and Imagine are rolling out a very short sighted stop-gap effort disguised as fibre. Eir have bad history after allowing most rural areas to fall into neglect for over 15 years, but finally they are doing something about it when no one else is. They are now starting to make quick progress after a very slow start to this rollout and within the next 2 years will enable at least a 1/3rd of rural Ireland. That has to count for something. They have to start making these press releases and making promotional videos to inform the public what they are doing, to inform the public the benefits a fibre connection can bring to rural areas.

Grumpypants

Gonzo wrote: »

decent honest video. I liked the way at the end she admitted that Eir does carry baggage and a reputation from the past which they are trying very hard to fix, first time I've heard them admit that.

Very true as well that they are the only provider doing anything about rural Ireland.

If it wasn't for Eir I would still be sitting with these speedtests.

I look at that in envy. That was 9 times faster than my vodafone bb connection.

chewed

ACLFC7 wrote: »

A new socket has to be installed Like this :

So, when eir arrive, they'll put in the ODT, ONT and modem? I assume you'll need a double socket and usually these are put in the hall? How much drilling and wiring will eir do if you wanted the modem upstairs on the landing?

What are the modems like that Eir provide? Are they powerful around the house?

damienirel

Grumpypants wrote: »

I look at that in envy. That was 9 times faster than my vodafone bb connection.

Same as that. That's 3 times faster than what I have at the moment.
Eir are blowing their trumpet about this 40k - iirc - they were supposed to have 100k passed at this stage. I'm just worried that the long wait for my exchange to go live will be a lot longer.

damienirel

Gonzo wrote: »

not really. They can't perform miracles and have the entire country on FTTH this year, but they are making progress and the only ones doing so. Virgin Media are happy to just serve Dublin and other large urban centres, Siro only serve urban areas too and Imagine are rolling out a very short sighted stop-gap effort disguised as fibre. Eir have bad history after allowing most rural areas to fall into neglect for over 15 years, but finally they are doing something about it when no one else is. They are now starting to make quick progress after a very slow start to this rollout and within the next 2 years will enable at least a 1/3rd of rural Ireland. That has to count for something. They have to start making these press releases and making promotional videos to inform the public what they are doing, to inform the public the benefits a fibre connection can bring to rural areas.

The only company that you might have taken seriously out of all you list there were Siro - they have proven to be a major disappointment to rural dwellers, and even to city folk as their rollout is very lacklustre.

Eir are at least are rolling something out albeit at a snails pace.

daraghwal

damienirel wrote: »

The only company that you might have taken seriously out of all you list there were Siro - they have proven to be a major disappointment to rural dwellers, and even to city folk as their rollout is very lacklustre.

Eir are at least are rolling something out albeit at a snails pace.

I think most of us here let go of the idea of 100,000 by March a long time ago. In fairness open eir had delays at the start finishing up the FTTC and getting the FTTH started, but even from looking at this thread the amount of people getting connected or being connected in the next month is on a massive increase even in the last month and a half. Same goes for the amount of new followers on the thread wondering about installations etc.

I don't think they are going at a snails pace anymore. They've really upped their game in the last few weeks working 7 days a week etc. and I think they've turned the corner on what eir used to be IMO.

damienirel

daraghwal wrote: »

I think most of us here let go of the idea of 100,000 by March a long time ago. In fairness open eir had delays at the start finishing up the FTTC and getting the FTTH started, but even from looking at this thread the amount of people getting connected or being connected in the next month is on a massive increase even in the last month and a half. Same goes for the amount of new followers on the thread wondering about installations etc.

I don't think they are going at a snails pace anymore. They've really upped their game in the last few weeks working 7 days a week etc. and I think they've turned the corner on what eir used to be IMO.

The 300k are to be finished by end of 2018 do you believe that will happen?

daraghwal

damienirel wrote: »

The 300k are to be finished by end of 2018 do you believe that will happen?

While it is possible, I think they are being a bit over optimistic on that, but they still aren't putting FTTH on the back burner anymore and they definitely aren't going at a snail's pace.

damienirel

daraghwal wrote: »

While it is possible, I think they are being a bit over optimistic on that, but they still aren't putting FTTH on the back burner anymore and they definitely aren't going at a snail's pace.

So you've let that idea go too? 300k by 2018 - b u l l s h i t from the minute it was announced.

Johnboy1951

daraghwal wrote: »

I think most of us here let go of the idea of 100,000 by March a long time ago. In fairness open eir had delays at the start finishing up the FTTC and getting the FTTH started, but even from looking at this thread the amount of people getting connected or being connected in the next month is on a massive increase even in the last month and a half. Same goes for the amount of new followers on the thread wondering about installations etc.

I don't think they are going at a snails pace anymore. They've really upped their game in the last few weeks working 7 days a week etc. and I think they've turned the corner on what eir used to be IMO.

It does seem that eir had estimated 100K by end of last month, but made no serious effort to reach that figure.
eir seems to have become much more serious about the numbers since the agreement was signed.
One might easily believe it was the delay/negotiations around that agreement which caused the lack of progress.

I think eir should have made it clearer that their 100K estimate was dependent on the Gov approving the 300k coming out of the NBP.

At least now that the agreement is in place we can see real progress.

damienirel wrote: »

The 300k are to be finished by end of 2018 do you believe that will happen?

Unless there are some other factors of which we are unaware, I expect eir to get very close to that figure.

Of course I also expected eir to reach about 80k by the end of last month .......

damienirel

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It does seem that eir had estimated 100K by end of last month, but made no serious effort to reach that figure.
eir seems to have become much more serious about the numbers since the agreement was signed.
One might easily believe it was the delay/negotiations around that agreement which caused the lack of progress.

I think eir should have made it clearer that their 100K estimate was dependent on the Gov approving the 300k coming out of the NBP.

At least now that the agreement is in place we can see real progress.

Unless there are some other factors of which we are unaware, I expect eir to get very close to that figure.

Of course I also expected eir to reach about 80k by the end of last month .......

LOL i do like the optimism! and I hope you're right about them taking it seriously now, since the agreement, that could well be true.

daraghwal

damienirel wrote: »

LOL i do like the optimism! and I hope you're right about them taking it seriously now, since the agreement, that could well be true.

We'll live in hope! (again:rolleyes:)

Gonzo

damienirel wrote: »

So you've let that idea go too? 300k by 2018 - b u l l s h i t from the minute it was announced.

I am beginning to think they might hit it alright. The first year of the rollout was painful because very little happened other than the 'fibre to the press releases' with unrealistic figures and dates. 6 months later there was still nobody connected until early October 2016 (first rural exchanges went live last day in September).

Up to Christmas 2016 it was still very slow, only a handful of exchanges partially live. However they do seem to have hit the ground running now and have more than doubled their numbers in only a matter of weeks. May's rollout list is impressive, I guess the end of May we will see 40,000 premises passed. The 40k premises passed mentioned in the video probably includes the May dates as there is around 23k at the moment.

2 months ago we had just over 6k premises passed and now were almost at the 40k stage in a very short amount of time. At the current rate I expect Open Eir to pass 100k by late September or October.

I had to wait an extra year for my connection, but now that I have it, the wait was more than worth it.

We are lucky to be getting a rollout such as this, there are countries far bigger an wealthier than Ireland making a dogs dinner of their plans, look at Australia and their NBN, it was meant to be FTTH, but then the government in 2013 went against that and signed the NBN to a mix of technologies (Satellite, Wireless, FTTN and FTTP). 2/3's of their rollout promises speeds of less than 100megs. Broadband is really slow and laggy across most of urban and rural Australia with only small pockets of FTTN (Like FTTC), while most of the country, even modern business parks and apartments within places like Sydney still on ADSL for the forseeable future. Even where fibre is available there are complaints of massive congestion during peak times with speeds of up to 100megs reduced to single digits for hours each evening.

daraghwal

Gonzo wrote: »

We are lucky to be getting a rollout such as this, there are countries far bigger an wealthier than Ireland making a dogs dinner of their plans, look at Australia and their NBN, it was meant to be FTTH, but then the government in 2013 went against that and signed the NBN to a mix of technologies (Satellite, Wireless, FTTN and FTTP). 2/3's of their rollout promises speeds of less than 100megs. Broadband is really slow and laggy across most of urban and rural Australia with only small pockets of FTTN (Like FTTC), while most of the country, even modern business parks and apartments within places like Sydney still on ADSL for the forseeable future. Even where fibre is available there are complaints of massive congestion during peak times with speeds of up to 100megs reduced to single digits for hours each evening.

I'd rather wait a few years instead of getting that anyway!

Blogin

Pallasgreen, Limerick (cloverfield exchange) is to go live May 3rd.

They seem to have the cloverfield - dromkeen route cabled but I don't think there is any work done yet on the cloverfield - old Pallas - Nicker - Pallasgreen route (this is the longer route).
At this rate only a small number of the 910 premises will be passed.

Gonzo

daraghwal wrote: »

I'd rather wait a few years instead of getting that anyway!

yeah we're in a much better position, even if you have to wait another 12-18 months. They are only getting going with FTTC now and with the extremely limited FTTP rollout they are holding the speeds back to 100 / 40 to match FTTC.

25% of their NBN rollout will be wireless/satellite with speeds promised to match ADSL speeds. Not very future proof.

On Australian broadband forums they are even looking at our rollout here with a bit of envy. http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2588298

chris241111

[/QUOTE]We are lucky to be getting a rollout such as this, there are countries far bigger an wealthier than Ireland making a dogs dinner of their plans, look at Australia and their NBN, it was meant to be FTTH, but then the government in 2013 went against that and signed the NBN to a mix of technologies (Satellite, Wireless, FTTN and FTTP). 2/3's of their rollout promises speeds of less than 100megs. Broadband is really slow and laggy across most of urban and rural Australia with only small pockets of FTTN (Like FTTC), while most of the country, even modern business parks and apartments within places like Sydney still on ADSL for the forseeable future. Even where fibre is available there are complaints of massive congestion during peak times with speeds of up to 100megs reduced to single digits for hours each evening.[/QUOTE]

Frankly, I believe it is this kind of attitude that has stunted Ireland's growth in every sector of our economy and has contributed to Ireland being less wealthier . "Ara sure aren't you glad your getting a slow rollout of (insert product) look at (x) they have made a dogs dinner of it. Many other factors have made it extremely difficult to roll out fibre, the large expanses of inhabitable terrain, their population is around 4.5 times greater than ours, but their country is 110 times greater. How about you compare with any other country Norway , Sweden even ROMANIA.
We are a small country, but that is no reason to compare to any ther country and say at least we are better than them. How about we recognise that we have intelligent and highly skilled workers, probably the best in the world ,and therefore we should be the best in the world not just a bit better than the worst country.
If we adopted even an American outlook, our country would be very wealthy, if we demanded the best infrastructure and resources and not settled for less just because (x) country has worse infrastructure.

9726_9726

chris241111 wrote: »

We are lucky to be getting a rollout such as this, there are countries far bigger an wealthier than Ireland making a dogs dinner of their plans, look at Australia and their NBN, it was meant to be FTTH, but then the government in 2013 went against that and signed the NBN to a mix of technologies (Satellite, Wireless, FTTN and FTTP). 2/3's of their rollout promises speeds of less than 100megs. Broadband is really slow and laggy across most of urban and rural Australia with only small pockets of FTTN (Like FTTC), while most of the country, even modern business parks and apartments within places like Sydney still on ADSL for the forseeable future. Even where fibre is available there are complaints of massive congestion during peak times with speeds of up to 100megs reduced to single digits for hours each evening.[/QUOTE]

Frankly, I believe it is this kind of attitude that has stunted Ireland's growth in every sector of our economy and has contributed to Ireland being less wealthier . "Ara sure aren't you glad your getting a slow rollout of (insert product) look at (x) they have made a dogs dinner of it. Many other factors have made it extremely difficult to roll out fibre, the large expanses of inhabitable terrain, their population is around 4.5 times greater than ours, but their country is 110 times greater. How about you compare with any other country Norway , Sweden even ROMANIA.
We are a small country, but that is no reason to compare to any ther country and say at least we are better than them. How about we recognise that we have intelligent and highly skilled workers, probably the best in the world ,and therefore we should be the best in the world not just a bit better than the worst country.
If we adopted even an American outlook, our country would be very wealthy, if we demanded the best infrastructure and resources and not settled for less just because (x) country has worse infrastructure.[/quote]

Do you have any idea what a complete dogs dinner broadband is in the US?! It's completely fragmented, ADSL is very common in built up areas, cable companies have shady monopolies in cities, there is usually very poor service indeed and NO choice or competition in most areas.

Blogin

Maybe it's just me but I'm only interested in discussions about Eir rural FTTH. This thread really strays.

Gonzo

Blogin wrote: »

Maybe it's just me but I'm only interested in discussions about Eir rural FTTH. This thread really strays.

no harm in looking at our rollout in relation to other countries in order to get some sort of perspective to how we are doing. We think we have it bad here but when you look at USA, Australia, the majority have connections worse than ours. A small, cash strapped country like ours, we're not looking that bad now.

Of course there is still a huge room for improvement when you look at some of our northern and eastern European neighbours.

This time next year if everything goes to plan, we should be near the final phase of Eir's rollout with about 200k premises passed and the NBP at the starting stages of rollout.

JasonRyan

Blogin wrote: »

Pallasgreen, Limerick (cloverfield exchange) is to go live May 3rd.

They seem to have the cloverfield - dromkeen route cabled but I don't think there is any work done yet on the cloverfield - old Pallas - Nicker - Pallasgreen route (this is the longer route).
At this rate only a small number of the 910 premises will be passed.

Cloverfield to Old Pallas is cabled.
Old Pallas to Pallasgreen is cabled.

Both routes are cabled through underground ducting that has been here for the last 30 odd years.

Old Pallas to Nicker, I'm not sure if that route is underground or just not done yet.

Fingers crossed it'll have a large live portion on the 3rd of May...

Gonzo

on a seperate issue, the very controversial 'Eir Wifi' wireless service can now be disabled from broadcasting via your modem.

http://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2057728213/2

Blogin

JasonRyan wrote: »

Blogin wrote: »

Pallasgreen, Limerick (cloverfield exchange) is to go live May 3rd.

They seem to have the cloverfield - dromkeen route cabled but I don't think there is any work done yet on the cloverfield - old Pallas - Nicker - Pallasgreen route (this is the longer route).
At this rate only a small number of the 910 premises will be passed.

Cloverfield to Old Pallas is cabled.
Old Pallas to Pallasgreen is cabled.

Both routes are cabled through underground ducting that has been here for the last 30 odd years.

Old Pallas to Nicker, I'm not sure if that route is underground or just not done yet.

Fingers crossed it'll have a large live portion on the 3rd of May...

That's great news. They've gone further than I thought.
Hopefully they will make it down the other side of Pallasgreen village soon. I've never seen them around my side.

JasonRyan

Blogin wrote: »

That's great news. They've gone further than I thought.
Hopefully they will make it down the other side of Pallasgreen village soon. I've never seen them around my side.

You Dromkeen, Oola, or Cappamore side of Pallas?
(splitting the 3 side of pallas)

damienirel

Gonzo wrote: »

no harm in looking at our rollout in relation to other countries in order to get some sort of perspective to how we are doing. We think we have it bad here but when you look at USA, Australia, the majority have connections worse than ours. A small, cash strapped country like ours, we're not looking that bad now.

Of course there is still a huge room for improvement when you look at some of our northern and eastern European neighbours.

This time next year if everything goes to plan, we should be near the final phase of Eir's rollout with about 200k premises passed and the NBP at the starting stages of rollout.

Take a globe out and look at the geographical size of Ireland and then take a look at the US and Australia, doesn't take a genius to work out how difficult a full coverage rollout would be in either of those countries. When people talk about the US having a particularly poor broadband infrastructure - I have a personal anecdote of using fibre for the first time in my life over there about 9 years ago, but yeah there are vast areas with bad service. But comparing the US to Ireland is pointless on every level.

We were promised 300k by end of 2018 - we probably should focus on that for now.

damienirel

JasonRyan wrote: »

You Dromkeen, Oola, or Cappamore side of Pallas?
(splitting the 3 side of pallas)

Seems to be very slow progress in Limerick - Clarina has been live for a few months and the 80 passed hasn't been bumped at all - surely there are more than 80 houses to pass there? The map has taken a step back in that it doesn't give the numbers that have to be passed in an exchange to meet the 300k/2018 plan, didn't it have them before?

daraghwal

damienirel wrote: »

The map has taken a step back in that it doesn't give the numbers that have to be passed in an exchange to meet the 300k/2018 plan, didn't it have them before?

No, people just got it from the 100,000 announcement last year I think? Navi would know! Unless eir have started to use Navi's numbers seeing as they're probably more accurate

knipex

chris241111 wrote: »

Frankly, I believe it is this kind of attitude that has stunted Ireland's growth in every sector of our economy and has contributed to Ireland being less wealthier . "Ara sure aren't you glad your getting a slow rollout of (insert product) look at (x) they have made a dogs dinner of it. Many other factors have made it extremely difficult to roll out fibre, the large expanses of inhabitable terrain, their population is around 4.5 times greater than ours, but their country is 110 times greater. How about you compare with any other country Norway , Sweden even ROMANIA.
We are a small country, but that is no reason to compare to any ther country and say at least we are better than them. How about we recognise that we have intelligent and highly skilled workers, probably the best in the world ,and therefore we should be the best in the world not just a bit better than the worst country.
If we adopted even an American outlook, our country would be very wealthy, if we demanded the best infrastructure and resources and not settled for less just because (x) country has worse infrastructure.

I think, in fact I know you are completely wrong.

Romania does not offer FTTH in rural hinterlands and not even in all urban areas and AFAIK are not even contemplating it.

Sweden have 32% penetration FTTH

Singapore has a strong FTTH network but its basically a large city with a land mass about the size of the aran Islands and even there it isn't 100% universal rollout not even close... Also while its marketed at 1Gb its only 1Gb internal.. ie if you use external servers it limited to 150mb

Korea is about 80% penetration but Korea is an urban population.

What we are attempting to do in Ireland with both Eir and NBP is cutting edge, world class, best in class even so running 6 or 8 months late while not great isn't the end of the world.

FYI the US infrastructure is a disaster and falling apart. The freeway system is disintegrating, many rural roads are unpaved, hell even rural suburban areas have unpaved roads. The power infrastructure is a joke with half of California having annual blackouts. The telecoms infrastructure is a mess, far worse then ours.

Our infrastructure is far better than you appear to think. Perhaps I am older than you but the improvement in our infrastructure over the last 15 to 20 years, particularly the road and telecoms networks is unbelievable.. When you think of where we were in the 80's or even the 90's..

We aint perfect, there are many things wrong but we are getting better all the time.. If politics (and I mean populist protests) stayed out of it we would be even further ahead..

Blogin

JasonRyan wrote: »

You Dromkeen, Oola, or Cappamore side of Pallas?
(splitting the 3 side of pallas)

Cappamore