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The Mega Mk7 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread

carsfan

Any body with either of these able to advise on what the real world economy is of these?
There is not much between them in purchase price.
The gtd 625 euro more.
I do 25000km a year and really would prefer the gti but my head tells me the gtd is what I should be looking at.
I've only driven the gti and found it very entertaining.
Dealer says resale is the same for both of them. There is only 90 euro difference in road tax and insurance the same so fuel costs are the main financial difference.

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bazz26

The last generation 5 Series has an electronic handbrake. Adaptive cruise control is still an extra on the new 5 Series too so no chance of seeing it standard on a 3/4 Series anytime soon.

JoeA3

bazz26 wrote: »

The last generation 5 Series has an electronic handbrake. Adaptive cruise control is still an extra on the new 5 Series too so no chance of seeing it standard on a 3/4 Series anytime soon.

And not a cheap option either. In the region of €800 on the 430. Mental. If you never had it you'd say no chance I'm spec'ing that but if you are used to having it...
Retro fitting it is not simple either.

carsfan2

The manual handbrake was one thing that I didn't like going back to From gti to 330e but in practice I rarely use it unless on a slope as the auto gearbox locks up the wheels anyway. I have high beam assist and you will find this on plenty of 430's too.
I got over missing keyless entry instantly too to be honest and this was something I really thought I'd miss.
Adaptive cruise I would like but again its nice to have but I wouldn't pay extra for it.
Re the ride height of x drive, ac schnitzer do a kit that replaces the springs on x drive cars with lowered springs and apparently this transforms the ride/ handling and appearance of the cars.
It's a simple swop apparently.
Beshoffs have a good value one for sale now.

bazz26

To be fair the 4 Series is pretty lowish anyway imo even on standard suspension setup. Depends on what you're coming from though I guess. xDrive wouldn't be on the top of my want list as I don't live or drive in hilly areas or where ice or snow is common. Can appreciate it's other benefits though especially on powerful cars.

MisterDrak

JoeA3 wrote: »

I had a spin in a couple of 430d's today, a friend is looking to change to one so I went along for the ride. Really impressive car for the money (a 6-8 month old one can be got for less than new R money and these cars are pushing 70k new!). There's an official BMW "performance pack" upgrade available too (essentially a BMW Ecu remap and bigger intercooler) that brings the car up to 280-ish bhp. It's some machine to shift!

Would make a man think!

I'm kind of in this place my self at the moment. Iv changed the Gti every 2 years since 2011 with the Mk6, to the Mk7 (132), with the Mk7 current (152). Possibly I should have opted for the R back in the last change, but I did tick most option boxes with the car I got, and really do love it.

I took a look at the 7.5 R up in Mc Allister's on Saturday morning, and did like all of the new tech etc. But with the > â‚¬20K cost to change is possibly a bridge to far.

The comment above about the 430d is very interesting, (I used to own an old 318ci back in the day, and loved that too) also the new 5 does look very nice, and in a 3-6 months there could be good demos available ?

No idea what to do at the moment ???

everlast75

While we are on the subject of change, here's a question.

I'm currently thinking of getting a "summer weekend" kind of car - probably at about 2k. A convertible as I've never owned one.

Now, my daily is the GTi, so the question is... would you pay out that 2k for such a car, or is the GTi enough and lean towards pumping the 2k into that to maybe tweak/personalise it?

MisterDrak

everlast75 wrote: »

While we are on the subject of change, here's a question.

I'm currently thinking of getting a "summer weekend" kind of car - probably at about 2k. A convertible as I've never owned one.

Now, my daily is the GTi, so the question is... would you pay out that 2k for such a car, or is the GTi enough and lean towards pumping the 2k into that to maybe tweak/personalise it?

Nice idea, just had a look on Carzone for price less that 2,000 and cabrio - 92 cars... Unfortunately â‚¬POA also falls in there...

This is not to bad for â‚¬1,500

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/audi/a4/used-2003-audi-a4-2-4-170bhp-dublin-fpa-3067695815003379403

or this on the second page

:D:D, Might be a problem in the rain...

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/z4/used-2017-171-bmw-z4-does-you-little-cork-fpa-7591904565237399938

everlast75

OSI wrote: »

2k would see you into R level power and a new set of tires to go with it. I would consider a weekend car, but it would want to be something special that'd be a long term project, like a 70s or 80s era 911.

Are you talking mapping?

I wonder how much it affects the insurance premium?

In terms of cars, couple of rear wheel drive mx5s out there..

vintagevrs

On the 2nd car idea, it's not an idea that works well in Ireland. I have often thought of having a fun car and then the boring car for the commute. Problem is the fun car still will need insurance, NCT most likely and tax. The insurance is the biggest issue, as I have found that you can only apply you NCB discount to one vehicle. So in your case you have a nice GTI then you buy some other motor that will have comparable running costs. The cost of ownership is not proportional at all to the miles you do. Therefore only real solution is to buy a classic car. Tax then is not an issue, and insurance usually be less than €300 as long as you have another car.

But then the issue becomes buying a classic car that ticks the boxes you want.

Mk1 mx5 maybe would be regarded as a classic now for most insurers. You won't get a 30year old example for a few more years for the classic tax but they are relatively small engined anyway so not a deal breaker.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mazda-mx5-eunos/15198798

Ron Burgundy II

Is it reasonable to expect a courtesy car from the garage when mine is going in for a service plus a check of some issues covered under warranty?

vintagevrs

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

Is it reasonable to expect a courtesy car from the garage when mine is going in for a service plus a check of some issues covered under warranty?

They will likely have no issue as there is a warranty claim there. They then put the courtesy car in the warranty claim and let big bad VW foot the bill. Customer and garage both win. I believe this is how BMW do it as anytime our car had warranty work carried out, car was no issue. Last time I brought a car to BMW for work that wasn't covered by warranty they wanted 25 quid for the use of a car.

JoeA3

It depends on the dealers, how you get along with them and how much actual warranty work is required. And if they have a car available for you.

Tbh, if it's only going to be with them for < 1 day I wouldn't bother asking unless I really really needed the car that day - and if that was the case, I'd not have booked it in that day in the first place. Most of them will have no problem dropping you / collecting you to/from work...

Ron Burgundy II

Thanks for the replies.

Ron Burgundy II

JoeA3 wrote: »

It depends on the dealers, how you get along with them and how much actual warranty work is required. And if they have a car available for you.

Tbh, if it's only going to be with them for < 1 day I wouldn't bother asking unless I really really needed the car that day - and if that was the case, I'd not have booked it in that day in the first place. Most of them will have no problem dropping you / collecting you to/from work...

Last time the car was in for a service, I was working on a site very close to the garage so just dropped it in for the day and walked to work. But I did ask, more so out of curiosity would they drop me back to my office in Carrigtwohill circa 10/15min drive from the City. Was told too far out to offer a lift.

bazz26

I was toying with the idea of buying a Mk4 GTi as a weekend car and keep my F10 as the main commuter. Being one of the less desirable GTis means they are going quite cheap these days (2k would buy you a decent one) and tax is reasonable on them too. Biggest problem is trying to get insurance on more than one car here. Ireland really sucks when it comes to having any sort of interest in cars other than just as a to b transport.

EndaHonesty

bazz26 wrote: »

I was toying with the idea of buying a Mk4 GTi as a weekend car and keep my F10 as the main commuter. Being one of the less desirable GTis means they are going quite cheap these days (2k would buy you a decent one) and tax is reasonable on them too. Biggest problem is trying to get insurance on more than one car here. Ireland really sucks when it comes to having any sort of interest in cars other than just as a to b transport.

You'd imagine the insurance companies' could offer cover on another car (or even multiple cars) quite cheaply too, after all a person can only drive one car at a time...

Muppet Man

Theres half a dozen cars I would buy in the morning if I could insure them just on a Saturday...

Dave PP

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

Is it reasonable to expect a courtesy car from the garage when mine is going in for a service plus a check of some issues covered under warranty?

From my own experience some of the major Dublin VW dealers offer to source you a rental. When this came up on my first service on my last GTI I rang the sales guy I dealt with and asked what the policy was and should I take my business elsewhere in future as this was the first time if encountered this after spending 40+. From then on never an issue with providing a courtesy car.

mloc123

Dave PP wrote: »

From my own experience some of the major Dublin VW dealers offer to source you a rental. When this came up on my first service on my last GTI I rang the sales guy I dealt with and asked what the policy was and should I take my business elsewhere in future as this was the first time if encountered this after spending 40+. From then on never an issue with providing a courtesy car.

Frank Keane gave me a polo for the day when I dropped my old passat in for service. I would expect a courtesy when dropping a car in for a service from the garage I had spent 40-50k in.

Toyotafanboi

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

Is it reasonable to expect a courtesy car from the garage when mine is going in for a service plus a check of some issues covered under warranty?

The problem with courtesy cars is customer expectations in terms of timeframes. Every dealer will endeavour to give you a courtesy car, particularly if youve spent 40k with them but you may have to reserve it two to three weeks out if you want a courtesy car at no cost to yourself for the day. On the other hand if you need a courtesy car at short notice most dealers will source you one at 24hrs notice from Enterprise etc.

A courtesy car isn't always chargeable back to a warranty job so often the dealer takes a small hit.

Fiskar

Saw a nice 151D Golf R in Tom Canavans yesterday for €20950, that is some depreciation hit for a 2 year old car, these things cost >35k?

Fiskar

Saw a nice 151D Golf R in Tom Canavans yesterday for â‚¬20950, that is some depreciation hit for a 2 year old car, these things cost >35k?

JoeA3

Fiskar wrote: »

Saw a nice 151D Golf R in Tom Canavans yesterday for â‚¬20950, that is some depreciation hit for a 2 year old car, these things cost >35k?

That wasn't a Golf R. R-Line maybe.

dastardly00

This seems to be the car that Fiskar saw:

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/used-2015-151-983571983515-dublin-fpa-841262978610455464

1.2 TSI

JoeA3

dastardly00 wrote: »

This seems to be the car that Fiskar saw:

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/used-2015-151-983571983515-dublin-fpa-841262978610455464

1.2 TSI

BEAST.

everlast75

dastardly00 wrote: »

This seems to be the car that Fiskar saw:

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/used-2015-151-983571983515-dublin-fpa-841262978610455464

1.2 TSI

I don't know. I would rather a car that doesn't look like its fast, but is... rather than a car which looks fast but isn't

Fiskar

JoeA3 wrote: »

That wasn't a Golf R. R-Line maybe.

May-be, don't see on the website just on the forecourt yesterday

JoeA3

Fiskar wrote: »

May-be, don't see on the website just on the forecourt yesterday

At that price, there'd be no maybe about it unless the dealers are now run by a Nigerian Prince who only does deals with Western Union.

To be fair, the R-Line is similar from 10 feet away. Too similar...

Fiskar

JoeA3 wrote: »

To be fair, the R-Line is similar from 10 feet away. Too similar...

That's it. That's also why I'd buy something more distinctive, like an M2

JoeA3

Fiskar wrote: »

That's it. That's also why I'd buy something more distinctive, like an M2

An M2 costs 30k+ more than an R. It would want to be distinctive.