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Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

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Contact lost just before 0100 off the west coast of Achill island on a rescue mission.
Search in progress including all available ships and Rescue 115.

Hopefully a positive outcome to this.

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Coil Kilcrea

NTC wrote: »

RTE just posted that a body has been recovered.

http://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2017/0326/862655-coast-guard-mayo/

The ROV cleared a path overnight.

Tremendous work by the divers and everyone else involved. We can only hope that with the incredible effort, the 2 missing lads can be found and returned to their families.

As others have said here, there will need to be some way the people of Ireland can thank everyone who helped with this operation. They have made us proud. It's terribly moving.

elastico

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

They mentioned that their primary concern is for the safety of the divers and all the rescue team, with the good day yesterday and the time they had on the bottom why did they not attempt a lift?

Will it be nessesary to lift the wreck? Assuming all the bodies get recovered and the black box answers what happened definitively, I don't see lifting it as necessary.

In any case the wreck may be almost impossible to lift if there are too many rocks around it blocking a big enough ship getting close enough.

nuac

Congratulations to the divers and all their supporting teams and organisations.

This gives an element of closure to one family.

Wish them every success and safety looking for the other two bodies.

Harrowing and dangerous work on a very difficult coastline

Dwarf.Shortage

What does the balance of probabilities look like in terms of the other two being nearby? Am I wrong in saying that if they exited the helicopter after it went under their gear would be expected to bring them to the surface?

Reati

elastico wrote: »

Will it be nessesary to lift the wreck? Assuming all the bodies get recovered and the black box answers what happened definitively, I don't see lifting it as necessary.

I believe (but open to correction) they will try to recover it for the investigation as they would need to be 100% on the findings. I imagine they can't, as part of that investigation, just leave it there if there is a way to recover it.

naughto

Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »

What does the balance of probabilities look like in terms of the other two being nearby? Am I wrong in saying that if they exited the helicopter after it went under their gear would be expected to bring them to the surface?

I would think with them checking the coasts line down around Achill and parts of the helicopter found in Donegal bay they could be anywhere. I hope there in it but it's not looking good

Storm 10

Great new for the family but my heart goes out for the two remaining crew members please God they will be found, fantastic work by all involved in the recovery and I am very impressed by the ROV and the Marine Institute well done

cabledude

Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »

What does the balance of probabilities look like in terms of the other two being nearby? Am I wrong in saying that if they exited the helicopter after it went under their gear would be expected to bring them to the surface?

It is probably for this reason that the a lot of the search focus is still on the coastline.

Would the crew not be harnessed in during flight? If so, maybe they are still in the aircraft like the crew member recovered this morning. If it were my family member, that is what I would be hoping for.

Dwarf.Shortage

cabledude wrote: »

It is probably for this reason that the a lot of the search focus is still on the coastline.

Would the crew not be harnessed in during flight? If so, maybe they are still in the aircraft like the crew member recovered this morning. If it were my family member, that is what I would be hoping for.

I think it's reasonable to conclude they are not in the heli at this point unfortunately.

hopgirl

Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »

What does the balance of probabilities look like in terms of the other two being nearby? Am I wrong in saying that if they exited the helicopter after it went under their gear would be expected to bring them to the surface?

From talking to my dad he use to be a fisherman, he said the currents in that area is so strong at times. I asked him if they had got out how come they didn't float as they would have all the gear on them. He said due to the currents it would pull anything down and that fishermen has lost nets in that area because of that pull. I could be wrong in that maybe other people understand what I am trying to say.

[Deleted User]

Considering they've only just recovered someone now from inside the cockpit I think it's a tad premature to be saying others aren't inside the aircraft barely 90 mins after he's has been recovered ?!

Dwarf.Shortage

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Considering they've only just recovered someone now from inside the cockpit I think it's a tad premature to be saying others aren't inside the aircraft barely 90 mins after he's has been recovered ?!

Given it's been known there was one body in the aircraft for a few days based on the ROVs work my thinking at this point is there's only one. It's not like they'd have checked the cockpit and not checked the rest of the craft, if there were more bodies in the heli I feel we'd know at this point.

I would absolutely love to be wrong.

January

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Considering they've only just recovered someone now from inside the cockpit I think it's a tad premature to be saying others aren't inside the aircraft barely 90 mins after he's has been recovered ?!

They had located the body on initial dives on Thursday though and released that information.

kona

The other crew I'd expect to be aft of the cockpit. Nobody here knows the condition of the fuselage, it's orientation and the surroundings. It's certainly not as easy as popping the door open and removing the bodies.
Personally I reckon the others are still in the craft.

Dwarf.Shortage

kona wrote: »

The other crew I'd expect to be aft of the cockpit. Nobody here knows the condition of the fuselage, it's orientation and the surroundings. It's certainly not as easy as popping the door open and removing the bodies.
Personally I reckon the others are still in the craft.

You could be and hopefully are right. I'm working off the assumption that either the ROV was able to check the whole craft or the divers were able to check. That assumption may well be wrong.

Irish Steve

There is clear and specific information that has been released, and a lot of speculation, some very uninformed.

Please, respect the fact that there are still 2 families that do not know what has happened to their loved ones.

It is clear that conditions at Blackrock are incredibly challenging and very difficult, and that all the people on site are doing their utmost to resolve the unanswered questions as quickly as humanly possible, without putting more lives at risk.

The fact that cutting gear on the ROV has had to be used to gain access for the divers is a clear indication that there may be a lot of work to do on the Blackrock site yet, however much we might WANT to know, at this stage, we don't NEED to know, the absolute priority has to be that the divers and other rescue teams are allowed to complete their tasks without any additional pressures from outside of the situation.

I have to ask that people please be restrained in their speculations about where the remaining crew members may be at this time, I understand that the information vacuum is not helping, but that vacuum is because all involved are working as hard as possible to provide certainty as quickly as they can.

The Black Oil

Picture says it all.

https://twitter.com/11SchillRob/status/845985792413569025

Stheno

Update from the same chap Capt Mark Duffy has been named as the man recovered

https://twitter.com/11SchillRob/status/845995488075812865

Kalyke

Beckett and An Gearoidin on way back to Blacksod. Beckett did a rapid 180.

Rodin

A sad day.

All involved have distinguished themselves from the divers in the water, the ROV operator(s), the sailors, pilots and all those supporting behind the scenes.

All have shown the best of our little country.
Your country is proud of you.

Conchir

Posted to the Irish Naval Service facebook page earlier today. Massive respect to the men and women of the Naval Diving Section who are continuing this very difficult work today.

Irish Naval Service wrote:

A team-effort from all agencies allowed the Navy divers to recover a body from the wreckage today. The deceased was transferred with honours by L.É. SAMUEL BECKETT to Blacksod Bay and brought ashore at the pier. The divers have returned to the scene of the incident to continue operations

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EDIT: And a link to the facebook post https://www.facebook.com/irishnavalservice/photos/a.108479675901604.17050.101764433239795/1289304064485820/?type=3&theater

Gaoth Laidir

RIP to Captain Duffy and thoughts to his family and friends.

Is it safe to assume that this was the reason mentioned in TrickyD's post on Friday evening?

tricky D wrote: »

Folks, can we exercise restraint on discussing aspects of the recovery of crew until there is substantive information from good sources. There's a very compelling reason which I won't mention, for me asking that requires sensitivity. Thanks.

Mod If you MUST ask this, I will strongly suggest that this thread is not the place to be asking that question. Either PM the mod concerned, or ask in the Feedback Forum

DBB

RTE News have just reported that there's a significant section of the fuselage remaining to be accessed and searched. The search continues this evening, and forecast good for tomorrow... Hoping beyond hope there's closure soon

RIP Captain Mark Duffy.

HighLine

Most likely a ridiculous question but would it not be easier if they attached a rig to the wreckage and used the crane on Granuaile to lift the entire section out of the water? Rather than putting divers at risk trying to get in and explore the wreckage 40m down.

ED E

HighLine wrote: »

Most likely a ridiculous question but would it not be easier if they attached a rig to the wreckage and used the crane on Granuaile to lift the entire section out of the water? Rather than putting divers at risk trying to get in and explore the wreckage 40m down.

Airframe may be shattered. Trying to lift 8 tonnes of a compromised structure with the added drag of the water, not a simple task.

If it were to collapse with remains onboard, well, yeah they want to avoid that.

Stheno

HighLine wrote: »

Most likely a ridiculous question but would it not be easier if they attached a rig to the wreckage and used the crane on Granuaile to lift the entire section out of the water? Rather than putting divers at risk trying to get in and explore the wreckage 40m down.

I think it's technically very difficult to remove the wreckage. Earlier this week the stated aims were to recover the crew and flight recorder and then if necessary the craft itself

DBB

My read on it is that the Granuaile can't get near enough to the fuselage at/near the foot of Black Rock to perform an overhead lift, or to get the fuselage out in relatively the same shape as it is now to preserve it, especially if there's a chance of the 2 crewmen still being on board.
Short of a lot of pulling and dragging, I have no clue how they'll actually manage it when the time comes though?

coillsaille

According to RTE's report the divers are going to use airbags to lift part of the fuselage so they can look under it.

I would guess they'll take it apart if they have to make sure the missing crew aren't in it but I can't see how they will ever be able to lift it given the spot that it's in.

Call me Al

The 9pm news reporting that they are going to try to lift the wreckage somewhat, with inflating devices, to allow the divers explore further. Thereafter should the not find the remaining two missing crew they will expand the search area in the immediate vicinity.
The reporter mentioned that in the past 24 hours wreckage has been recovered as far north as Killybegs.

Skuxx

Just mentioned on RTE news that they plan to put airbags under it tomorrow to try and lift it and look for crew members underneath, if no sign then plan to broaden the search area. They mentioned parts of the wreckage have been found near Killybegs today, goes to show the strengthsof the currents!