Storm 10 wrote: » Air Corps 139 currently over Wales maybe has the blackbox on board it was to be taken to the UK today
Means Of Escape wrote: » So many people involved in this operation who can never be all thanked individually A lady serving stew to the divers said on the radio yesterday morning that they were all doing their bit as it was their moral duty to help in any way they could . It is most uplifting that despite all the distractions of life people will go out of their way to help . There has to be particular praise given to the divers who are entering a very hostile area to attempt to recover the crewman . Then treating the deceased with the respect and dignity he deserves is highly commendable I expect that there will be a ceremony held by the government to honour those who died in the line of duty and individual recognition to the divers who have the most difficult task to do in every respect .
adam88 wrote: » What visibility would the divers have when they get into the wreckage????? Ye probably know where I'm going with this and if I'm in the wrong, please delete.
knockon wrote: » Normally with the kind of rough weather we get it takes a number of days for the "Viz" (divers speak for visibility) to settle down with all the strong currents and everything getting churned up. 40m depth is dark and gloomy, the cold is not a factor as the Naval Diving Section use dry suits, everything is grey until you light it up with a torch. At a wild guess I would say they are working on viz in excess of 5m but not much more. I guess then given a bottom time (bottom time is the moment you begin your descent from the surface to the moment you begin your ascent from the depth you were at) of 10 mins they are probably doing decompression stops also but not sure as these days its rebreathers and nitrox rather than just compressed air before. This is very challenging work for the naval divers. The wreckage will have debris, cables and items that can very easily snag equipment or persons and moving about on or near the sea bed any motion will churn up sand (if its there) making visibility poor again. Really difficult work technically and emotionally.
Gadgetman496 wrote: » They mentioned that their primary concern is for the safety of the divers and all the rescue team, with the good day yesterday and the time they had on the bottom why did they not attempt a lift?
Raging_Ninja wrote: » That could be what is known as "rushing things". They would have had to assess the state of the wreck, the feasibility of recovering the body, recovering the black box, etc. A deliberate approach is best if they want to get things done "right", as opposed to getting it done "now". Rushing things where there is no need for it except to satisfy the curiosity of a spectator only leads to errors and potential injury. Besides, it's not as if the wreck is going anywhere
Gadgetman496 wrote: » I have no doubt they had their reasons and I'm well aware that those involved are the experts, it's was a genuine question to see what others with more knowledge would see as the reasons they did not.
denismc wrote: » Considering the depth and the conditions, diving on the wreck is going to be difficult. The visibilty, swell and current make recovering anything very difficult and very risky. The last thing people want is another casualty, so they will assess the scene and conditions and proceed accordingly.
mulbot wrote: » Are you a diver?
knockon wrote: » Yes. CMAS 2 Star for 29 years. Sport now only but did a lot of Search & Recovery when I was a lot younger with Volunteer Emerg Services.
mulbot wrote: » Good to hear-I think that's equivalent to my PADI Divemaster? Doesn't look like they are on re-breathers with their short bottom times,maybe to decompress quicker? Is it likely the ROV has done alot of the work already?
nuac wrote: » I suggest we leave such queries to the experts on the spot.
Reati wrote: » Seriously, not to derail the thread, but can people stop going on like this. We're having an open discussion on a public discussion board. This whole can't ask a question without some smart arse answer of "leave it to the experts" is getting ridiculous. If a question is out of line the mods will deal with it. The poster had a legit question about why the might not recover the wreck in day one. It's a perfectly fine question, in line with the rules set down by the mods and other posters may be able to answer it. I've found the answers posted afterward about why interesting. I've also learned a deal about diving I didn't know before.
Gaoth Laidir wrote: » An Gearóidín is in position again this morning so that's a good sign. Fair play to all fishermen who have helped out but particularly to the owner of this vessel.
JCX BXC wrote: » I haven't bothered reading most of the thread as it's about 2/3 useful posts to 20/30 of arguments about speculation etc. Glad to see the progress in the dives and in the case in general, although what happened is awful it should help bring some peace of mind to the families.
