The government has published a new map outlining in detail 700,000 rural homes and businesses which will be connected to state-subsidised broadband of at least 30 megabits per second (Mbs) from 2016.
Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: » I'm just concerned that the potential return will not be there for them.
wexfordman2 wrote: » The main reason that they may pull out, is simply because they might see that they would not be able to put in a competitive tender. If they have a good idea they cannot compete with eir, then it's a bit like me going to an auction at sothebys, a pointless waste of time, and expense.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » We seem to be at cross purposes Yes there is already competition in Ennis from both eir and SIRO providing FTTH. But none of that should have any affect on the ability to bid for a contract. Certainly the 'per premises' cost of providing the service will rise. That is the government's problem as it will rise for both SIRO and Enet. If the eir spend on the blue lines is factored in then I suspect there would be little difference in the cost to eir. SIRO or Enet. In any case it does not in any way prevent or discourage a bid being offered. It might well have influence on who is the lowest bidder - but if eir factor in their costs for the blue line areas then possibly not. So I see no reason whatsoever for Enet or Siro or Eir to not bid for the contracts. That is the only point on which we are disagreeing.
Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: » I'm just concerned that the potential return will not be there for them. Take your own town Ennis. Say Siro have a POP there. Now they have to bring fibre to some rural area outside Ennis. But Eir have cherrypicked all the higher density rural areas around the town that Siro will have to pass through to reach the lower density rural area. Eir will have locked anyone that wanted fibre into contracts meaning Siro must wait 12 or 18 months before hoping to entice them to switch. So Siro is left with the less profitable lower density areas. I'm not saying it will happen but I would not be surprised to see one or both of the other bidders pulling out.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » I know what you are saying, but I see no basis for it. Why would it not be viable for them to bid? It is up to the gov to assess the bids. It will not cost much to re-jig the figures to account for the loss of the blue-line premises. It is most likely they have already done so. So how it is not viable for them to send in their bid? The work to produce the bid is already done.
Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: » I'm saying it may now not be viable for Siro and enet to continue in the process. Eir drew their blue line map for a specific reason and it looks like their masterstroke has paid off.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » Whether or not the Gov subsidy will be sufficient is hardly of concern to a bidder. All is required of them is to make an offer that is viable for them, based on the criteria laid out by the gov. It is up to the bidder to ensure their bid makes economic sense to them.
Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: » Say for a given intervention area Siro had prepared a bid assuming X number of premises. That is now X - 150000 (assuming equal split of 300000). However they may still have to deploy similar amounts of fibre and man hours to reach the lesser number of premises. I don't expect the government subsidy to make up for the loss of these premises.
Will it even make economic sense for them to continue in the bidding process?
Johnboy1951 wrote: » Why not? It is to be subsidised and only they can say by how much.
Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: » Wow. Where does this leave the other two? Will it even make economic sense for them to continue in the bidding process?
rob808 wrote: » I hope they can and area don't start slipping again don't want to see winter/spring 2018 for my area.Im looking forward to see the new intervention update map.I hope they don't listen to imagine because I say they be next to ask.
Gonzo wrote: » I would agree with this, Eir have been known to remove priority's in the past such as the 66 town scheme which was all action 2 years ago is now on its last legs for now. All these towns will be done but probably on the back burner for now. Likewise I expect if Eir does win all or part of the NBP, they may delay some of the 2018 yellow lined areas if they are not as important as some of the gaps elsewhere that could be filled in. My guess is that by the time the NBP gets going Eir will be well past 100,000 blue/yellow lines premises passed. Most of the current Spring/Summer and Autumn projected dates would be finished before this even starts.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » I didn't imply the blue lines would not get done, only that at present they are the highest priority for eir, but if eir win a contract then I fear that priority will disappear as will the blue lines in the contracted region. If eir win only one of the contracts then I would expect that the blue lines in the non-contracted areas would be prioritised which in turn would have an effect on the contracted area. It really does seem that the best for consumers would be for eir to win all or none.
rob808 wrote: » The blue would still get done but once NBP does start and Eir did win one of the contract they would have to do both at same time the government and EU would want results when NBP starts.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » So eir finally signed the required 'commitment contract'. About time! Those on blue (now yellow) lines had best hope that their area gets connected prior to the awarding of contracts. I fear that with contracts awarded (should eir get one or two) that the 'blue line' areas will be treated just like any other area, which could delay some of those 'blue line' areas significantly, should other areas get preference. That could see a reversal of priorities for some of those 'blue line' areas, unless as part of the 'commitment contract', eir have indicated that the blue lines will be done first.
Department to significantly reduce size of intervention area after agreement with Eir The number of homes and businesses covered by the National Broadband Plan (NBP) is to be reduced by up to 300,000 following an agreement between the Department of Communications and the State’s largest telecoms group, Eir.
Gonzo wrote: » Won't make much difference to most people as wireless/mobile internet will always have tight data caps.https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/1gbps_broadband_vodafone
damienirel wrote: » What is the difference between imagine and 4g on lets say 3? Both are lte.
