Parliament is on lockdown after gunshots were heard outside the Palace of Westminster.
Widdershins wrote: » Crashing into human beings (an achievement to his mind) and stabbing a policeman who was an obstacle on his path to his target, or his next target, all of that does not really seem like he would have considered it a failure, or that he wasn't that intent or committed or murderous or dangerous,whether or not you can see a more..efficient way he could have done it, doesn't really make a difference.
robinph wrote: » What it does show though is that there isn't any great organisation, strategy or planning behind this attack and the lack of other attacks on other much softer targets shows that there isn't a great number of people out there actually wanting to attack either.
Hank Scorpio wrote: » I couldn't care less what his state of mind was at the time or why he set out to hurt people. He's a murderous scumbag who intentionally killed innocent people. This topic, I see from the left everytime something like this happens, just meanders away from the main discussion of problems associated with Islam, and the negative impact it's having on Europe in recent years. The only reason to bring up mental health is to find how out how they are recruiting people, not using it an excuse for what these scumbags do.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Are you not reading his mind now? Maybe he inadvertently crashed the car and was trying to escape?
Grayson wrote: » If, and note I said IF, mental health is an issue then it's important. When some crazed loon on the right does something it's excused by mental health. It's obviously got nothing to do with right wing beliefs. He couldn't have been inspired by right wing beliefs. It couldn't be someone like Trump is responsible. And it's very important to learn why these happen. Firstly it helps us stop this happening again. It helps in profiling. Secondly, if you don't care why and you're unwilling to investigate why then it's because you have predetermined why it happened. Evidence doesn't matter to you. That's wrong. It means that you're acting on an irrational belief and dismissing other possibilities before evidence is even available.
Deleted User wrote: » The IRA are likely accountable for more deaths in Britain & Ireland than Muslim Extremist attacks in Europe & America. Should all Irish people not be banned from travelling, locked up, or murdered because of the actions of a few? Nope, because that would be silly.
Deleted User wrote: » Since you mention the Quran, how many verses in the Bible call for Catholics to kill people? I mean, should you not raise eyebrows at Catholics..?
Canis Lupus wrote: » Yes but we're white and speak english so it's different... :pac::pac:
humanji wrote: » Not a single person on this thread has done that, as far as I can see.
wes wrote: » Did Robinson condemn the terror attack in Canada against Muslims, by a far right nutter? The far right are hardly in a position to claim any morale superitority considering there own terror attacks.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Britain left the region known as 'Sudan" in terrible sh1t after colonisation. Saudi Arabia gets a free pass because of oil. Nigeria??? Bangladesh???? If you bomb the sh1t out of countries you will get a response. Tragically and wrongly but there it is.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » How the courts view his behaviour is a different matter. The fact remains that his behaviour was not that of a sane person. He was most obviously insane at the time of the attack. 'Insane' definition: exhibiting a severely disordered state of mind, unable to think in a clear or sensible way.
Widdershins wrote: » Look at the image with the sequence of eventshttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/22/attack-houses-parliament-london-what-we-know-so-far . I am not aware of any doubt about his intent to hit those people, so why you are now implying it was accidental is a mystery. I'll leave it at that.
Grayson wrote: » If, and note I said IF, mental health is an issue then it's important. When some crazed loon on the right does something it's excused by mental health. It's obviously got nothing to do with right wing beliefs. He couldn't have been inspired by right wing beliefs. It couldn't be someone like Trump is responsible. And it's very important to learn why these happen. Firstly it helps us stop this happening again. It helps in profiling.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You read his mind not me. How do we know his intention wasn't to hit people on the Bridge and keep going to hit others. That may have been his intention and crashing the car changed it.
Irish Praetorian wrote: » We are in the realm of speculation here but surely the possession of a 6 inch knife and his subsequent stabbing of a police officer is indicative of both planning and malicious intent?
ceadaoin. wrote: » Surely Islamic fundamentalism is about as far right as you can go on the spectrum? Can you not see that? What trump inspired attacks are you referring to that have been excused by mental health? As far as I can recall its only these type of terrorists who are instantly labelled "mentally ill"
Irish Praetorian wrote: » If we continue along this line of differential analysis and explanation of terrorist attacks in Europe in recent years, one cannot ignore the spectre of Islam in cutting across many of the conventional explanations proffered. Appeals to economic disadvantage don't really fit considering groups from greater and lesser states of economic disadvantage tend not to engage in such terrorist acts. Mental illness also doesn't really fit the bill unless one is prepared to make the argument that people of the Islamic faith or from those ethnicities which tend to contribute the most Muslims are predisposed towards mental illness. It also appear to be rather difficult to assemble a coherent model of Islamist terrorists as hailing from a single social class or level of educational attainment (though the presence of successful third level graduates amongst this group is usually understated). If anyone can suggest a common thread linking these bombers apart from their apparently fundamentalist Islamist beliefs (notwithstanding how theologically nuanced or developed they were) I would be fascinated to here it, because apart from one purported unifying theme of drug use which I have heard put forth (by Peter Hitchens I think but I can't be sure), it strikes me that there is none other. Failing that, we are left potentially with the rather unappetising conclusion that it is simply belief in the Islamic faith alone that predisposes individuals towards acts of violent extremism, and that is a conclusion I would severely prefer was not true.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I'll stick with my theory that this was a badly thought out, rather desperate attack rather than a sign of an escalation or a ' major' threat to western civilisation. Tragic and all as it was.
Hank Scorpio wrote: » And are excused by saying other terrorist groups killed people so it's nothing out of the ordinary, basically saying anything without bringing Islam or immigration from different cultures into it. It's deflection, and this problem is going to eat the left away unless they remove their proverbial heads from the sand and admit there's a problem.
FrancieBrady wrote: » This is speculation too, but would raising hell in the adjacent street and raising the alarm not indicate a lack of a thought through plan if your target was the HOP? A bit like the 9-11 bombers speaking loudly about what they were about to do in duty free or the ticket desk. I'll stick with my theory that this was a badly thought out, rather desperate attack rather than a sign of an escalation or a ' major' threat to western civilisation. Tragic and all as it was.
Noddyholder wrote: » I wouldn't think its an escalation, But its certainly a new tactic in letting lone people carry out attacks as they see fit, Lone attackers can plan & do what they do without involving anyone else thus lessing the leaks to the several security services who monitor them & there communications etc ...Just mo.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I dont think anyone is denying there is a problem. It's the scale of the problem or from how many people the problem is coming from.
Nomis21 wrote: » Most recent figures for death on London's roads: 204 killed by road accidents in one year. 4 people killed by terrorist incidents in one year. Yes it is terrible what happened yesterday in London but if terrorists killed as many people as road accidents then the city would be in lockdown.https://www.theguardian.com/uk/davehillblog/2010/jun/22/transport-for-london-road-safety-statistics-crap-cycling-waltham-forst-blog
FrancieBrady wrote: » And if the scale of the problem is as big as some of the scaremongers suggest we should be having these attacks not just everyday but every hour. Still waiting for a rational reason why that isn't happening. Millions of cars, thousands of packed streets and apparently hordes of Muslims intent on destroying western civilisation.
CoolHandBandit wrote: » I know there is a point in there somewhere but I'll be darned it i can figure it out.
Hank Scorpio wrote: » You ignore the foiled attacks, the people arrested we don't hear about it, and the constant monitoring of such activity that puts strain / fear on a Country, their Airports/Borders, to the point large resources have to be dedicated in preventing such attacks. They're not hard to find, just google foiled terrorist attacks. It's not surprising to see the number quadruple in the last 2 years according to Wikipedia.
Nomis21 wrote: » My point is that you are 50 times more likely to be killed in a road accident in London than killed by a terrorist.America attacked Iraq to rob their oil and terrorism and increased car traffic and accidents is the result. I thought the connection was obvious?
Nomis21 wrote: » My point is that you are 50 times more likely to be killed in a road accident in London than killed by a terrorist. America attacked Iraq to rob their oil and terrorism and increased car traffic and accidents is the result. I thought the connection was obvious?
FrancieBrady wrote: » I agreed already, there is a problem. My problem is with those who say that there are hordes of Muslims waiting to cause problems. A car attack is a simple act to carry out and more or less unstoppable and radical Muslims have asked that they be carried out. If there are hordes of Muslims waiting, where are all these attacks. Still waiting for this to be addressed.
