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RIP Martin McGuinness

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Former Deputy First Minister of NI Martin McGuinness has died. May he RIP.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0321/861287-martin-mcguinness-death/

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FrancieBrady

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Sammy Morrison tweeted this earlier.

Classy Unionism again.

Stheno

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Classy Unionism again.

Or a statement of fact?

10 years ago no one would have been surprised if it was IRA accredited.

During that time I was working regularly in Belfast, and was regularly delayed on the train due to bomb threats etc.

FrancieBrady

Stheno wrote: »

Or a statement of fact?

10 years ago no one would have been surprised if it was IRA accredited.

During that time I was working regularly in Belfast, and was regularly delayed on the train due to bomb threats etc.

And before that it could have been the Germans.
What was the point of his tweet only to troll a community in mourning?

Alf Stewart.

Stheno wrote: »

Or a statement of fact?

10 years ago no one would have been surprised if it was IRA accredited.

During that time I was working regularly in Belfast, and was regularly delayed on the train due to bomb threats etc.

Ten years ago was 2007.

[Deleted User]

Stheno wrote: »

Or a statement of fact?

10 years ago no one would have been surprised if it was IRA accredited.

During that time I was working regularly in Belfast, and was regularly delayed on the train due to bomb threats etc.

10 years ago? In 2007? People would have been very much surprised if it was 'McGuinness's IRA'.

Stheno

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Ten years ago was 2007.

And in 2007 I spent three/four days a week working in Belfast, and as I hadn't a drivers licence, I took the train.

It was regularly disrupted, about once a month especially in June/July/August due to bomb threats back then.

It wasn't unusual to arrive into Central in Belfast to discover this, or to be on the train and find it delayed/disrupted.

You may take from the timing that it was all Unionist driven but my point is that it still happened.

It doesn't happen now.

That's progress.

Alf Stewart.

Stheno wrote: »

And in 2007 I spent three/four days a week working in Belfast, and as I hadn't a drivers licence, I took the train.

It was regularly disrupted, about once a month especially in June/July/August due to bomb threats back then.

It wasn't unusual to arrive into Central in Belfast to discover this, or to be on the train and find it delayed/disrupted.

You may take from the timing that it was all Unionist driven but my point is that it still happened.

It doesn't happen now.

That's progress.

Even 2007 was eleven year's after the last Provo bomb though. So Sammy was having a bit of a troll regardless.

FrancieBrady

It would be nice to see so called democrats and moderates call on unionists to show a bit of ordinary decency once in a while.
You won't be shanghaied into the RA you know. :rolleyes:

Stheno

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Even 2007 was eleven year's after the last Provo bomb though. So Sammy was having a bit of a troll regardless.

Sammy is always like that tbh, you always get the fringe elements.

And if you extend it to shootings the provos shot a prison officer in 2012

As someone who regularly works in the North since 2006, I'd say life in the North is far nicer the past few years than it was ten years ago.

[Deleted User]

Stheno wrote: »

Sammy is always like that tbh, you always get the fringe elements.

And if you extend it to shootings the provos shot a prison officer in 2012

As someone who regularly works in the North since 2006, I'd say life in the North is far nicer the past few years than it was ten years ago.

The shooting of David Black? That was blamed on dissident republicans.

end of the road

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Classy Unionism again.

yup. wouldn't expect anything less from his sort.

time to grow up Sammy lad, the sectarian statelet isn't coming back.

Stheno wrote: »

Sammy is always like that tbh, you always get the fringe elements.

And if you extend it to shootings the provos shot a prison officer in 2012

As someone who regularly works in the North since 2006, I'd say life in the North is far nicer the past few years than it was ten years ago.

that would have been another faction and not the provisional ira responsible for the shooting of the officer. the provisional ira ended after the GFA.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

The shooting of David Black? That was blamed on dissident republicans.

Didn't you get the memo, unionists don't need to be specific when they are making statements of fact.

Junkyard Tom

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Didn't you get the memo, unionists don't need to be specific when they are making statements of fact.

I don't think Stheno is a Unionist and it's probably just a mistaken detail.

FrancieBrady

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I don't think Stheno is a Unionist and it's probably just a mistaken detail.

I wasn't saying he was. He claimed that maybe Morrison (unionist) was making a statement of fact.

Junkyard Tom

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I wasn't saying he was. He claimed that maybe Morrison (unionist) was making a statement of fact.

Probably just crossed wires!

steddyeddy

DrWu wrote: »

I understand that some people want to think the best of MMG and that's fair enough. But what did he give up? The victims on all sides had a very tough pill to swallow to pave the way for peace. But what did MMG give up? You could argue that he did rather well out of the whole thing and came out of it looking pretty good. He never had the hard task of giving up any hard secrets before he died, the locations of bodies, what happened to Hegarty, McConville, the disappeared etc. A final act of theft from the victims of IRA violence before he scuttled off the stage.

It's not as simplistic as giving up something. He led the republican movement away from violence and into power sharing with hardline unionists. That's not as easy as"giving up" something. It requires big sacrifices.

steddyeddy

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Its a pity that people, especially Irish people, whom he fought in a war to protect, show no respect for the sacrifices he made and hard war decision he made to protect his fellow Irish from the oppression his people had been subjected to, occupation, fear of speaking their own language and being jailed, fear of practicing their beliefs... the list goes on and on. The Irish people who call the man a murderer are the same people that if confronted with the horror imposed on the people of Derry, wouldve upped sticks and ran leaving their fellow men behind to be slain. The man forged a peace through BOTH armed struggle AND politics. RIP

The poster in question repeatedly state's he's British. From Ireland.

Noddyholder

steddyeddy wrote: »

The poster in question repeatedly state's he's British. From Ireland.

For some in the Unionist community they will never let go of the past, They know there bigoted state that they controlled is right at the end, They are nervous about bretix, they are nervous about when/if Scotland leaves the Union & now we have one of there most hated figures actually getting worldwide recognition as a true man of vison of peace & strength, It hurts them so much, So they scream hysterics with what about... What about recognising that it was you the Unionist community that caused the problems in the first place .

Noddyholder

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Probably just crossed wires!

That can be dangerous ...

FrancieBrady

steddyeddy wrote: »

It's not as simplistic as giving up something. He led the republican movement away from violence and into power sharing with hardline unionists. That's not as easy as"giving up" something. It requires big sacrifices.

It was a natural progression and a cohesive dedicated life in it's entirety, in an environment that failed abjectly and which still needs an international agreement (he was critical in forming and implementing) and an unnatural governmental arrangement to keep it from tipping into chaos and violence.

He fought his war then made the peace like millions of soldiers and leaders around the world did and will have to after him unfortunately.

lawred2

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A bit like Jim Allister. Seems to me that is all he has to offer as a politician - trolling.

Sammy Morrison tweeted this earlier.

Filth

Wheeliebin30

As I said yesterday, all I can see is the hatred between the British and nationalists rear it's ugly head through all of this.

I really thought we had moved on.

FrancieBrady

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

As I said yesterday, all I can see is the hatred between the British and nationalists rear it's ugly head through all of this.

I really thought we had moved on.

Personally I think it is gratifying to see that the British have finally realised that this man and his aims have legitimacy and are paying tribute to his life.

It's not that long ago that a major cordon of intimidation and armed control would have been thrown around the funeral of a republican.
Today the security will be there to stop the funeral being attacked by the remaining belligerents and the British will be inside the cordon paying their respects to a man who never turned his back on his past.

citytillidie

Sad day for our wee city

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAqOC5iJ5o8

Stars and Stripes

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Sammy Morrison tweeted this earlier.

It's a pity unionism or the British govt wouldn't issue a statement of responsibility from them on state murderers and collusion - on both sides of the border at that.

FrancieBrady

citytillidie wrote: »

Sad day for our wee city

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAqOC5iJ5o8

The consolation is that history will think as much of Martin as it does of Pearse Connolly etc.

They shot Pearse and Connolly, they will be doffing their hats in respect to Martin as they bury him.
Huge achievement.

Your Face

The office is working overtime today.

RIP to all this individuals innocent victims and the victims of the violence his group inflicted on all communities.

Its worrying how little mention they received, both on this thread and in general.

Special credit also to our own Gardai and security forces who worked and continue to work protecting the Irish people from extreme ghetto politics and its adherents.

A lot of people of a certain persuasion expound the virtues of peace but never fail to have a dig at their opposites when the slightest opportunity arises.

Condolences to the family.

Let's move on.

FrancieBrady

Your Face wrote: »

The office is working overtime today.

RIP to all this individuals victims and the victims of the violence his group inflicted on all communities.

S

Just the victims of the IRA?

I would say that I hope all the victims of the cyclical conflict on this entire island and elsewhere will rest in peace.

But that is just me.

Your Face

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Just the victims of the IRA?

I would say that I hope all the victims of the cyclical conflict on this entire island and elsewhere will rest in peace.

But that is just me.

Edited my post Mr Brady.
Please see above.

FrancieBrady

Your Face wrote: »

Edited my post Mr Brady.
Please see above.

Ah right.
You complain about others having a dig, while having several yourself in one post alone.

Well done. Such a fine moderate upstanding citizen!