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MayoAreMagic

Stoner wrote: »

The Kerry lads will play the game whatever way you want to, just like Dublin, Mayo, Tyrone Donegal, Cavan. So most of division 1 really.

That's about it. No need to develop this further I'm sure that's not the plan though

Well frankly, no they wont. They will play it whatever way they think they need to, to win the game, and they don't really give a toss about their opponent, as much as they will talk them up and play nice beforehand. That isn't a criticism either and I have no issue with it, Im just stating the reality of how they approach it.

Re developing the point further, Ive no real interest in the whole naming names side of it, but I think the deterioration of relations between Mayo and Dublin is something worth exploring a bit. It is a shame things have gone that way, I believe. But it will never improve when efforts to flesh it out are hushed. My message would be, walk a mile in the other's shoes before judging them. Id point to the earlier assertion that Horan was a bête noir for Dublin, yet now they see he is a very sound and honest guy as a good starting point. Mayo just want to win, what is wrong with that?

Stoner

The Kerry lads will play the game whatever way you want to, just like Dublin, Mayo, Tyrone Donegal, Cavan. So most of division 1 really.

That's about it. No need to develop this further I'm sure that's not the plan though

MayoAreMagic

I don't think it would be Whelan, he never really had much dealing with mayo bar one game. True he lost in 06, but in fairness, if a guy disliked an entire county because they beat him in one game, it says more about the guy rather than anyone else and I don't think that is his style.. It is far more likely to be Brennan, who would have a connection to the current setup, more interaction with mayo, and the poster seems to be talking in the present tense to some degree.

However, I don't really get why they would have a personal thing against the mayo guys. I find that kind of strange really. The Mayo team want to win, the same as the Dublin team do. Why is that a problem? They aren't there to have a friendly chat with each other. Was he being nice as pie to the Kerry lads in 2011 when they were chasing a first AI in 16 years? I seriously doubt it was high up his priorities.
I don't really get why anyone from the current setup would have issue to dislike them - like what expectation are they not fulfilling for them? They are in competition with each other at the end of the day. The only place they might have had some interactions is the international rules, but the fact that so many dubs refused to play in it over the last few years would mean that it is unlikely. Has he considered that maybe this refusal rubbed people up the wrong way?

To my mind it is foolish. The Kerry lads will turn games into a royal rumble, attack your gk in every game, but because they play the cute Kerry hoor afterwards and pretend to be your mate, they are alright. At least the Mayo lads are honest about it.

It is an interesting point though, Id be curious as to hear the reasons for it.

Bonniedog

That was an optical illusion :-)

corny

Well we know he definitely doesn't like Ronan McGarrity anyway.

Dyr

Whelan doesn't like anyone in fairness to him

Bonniedog

Deleted User wrote: »

Alan Brogan has alot of family still here so doubt its him. Ciaran Whelan i'd guess, his analysis certainly would point to that.

I'm going to take the 5th now

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gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am trying to guess who the player is 'recently retired' means he played in the 06 game?

Hang on..... Ger Brennan, Alan Brogan, David Henry, Ciaran Whelan.

Ger Brennan and Whelo are the prime suspects, but they could handle themselves, so it would be more give then take from them.

But Alan Brogan must have got the worst treatment from his markers as he was the dangerman.

Alan Brogan is my guess!
He just wanted to play football and has a holy communion haircut.
Those nasty Mayo bullies would target him.

Alan Brogan has alot of family still here so doubt its him. Ciaran Whelan i'd guess, his analysis certainly would point to that and he lost his cool in a few Mayo games with the result going against him.

He did a personal hit job on the Mayo team on the Sunday game last year or the year before stating who the ref should send off in the next game. It was unusual for what is supposed to be balance punditry, certainly reeked of bitterness. He probably looks at current Dublin success and thinks that should of been him.

Bonniedog

You would make a good interrogator gorm!

You did name the chap, but he is not Alan Brogan!

Coincidentally I will be bringing dogs over to watch Plunketts juniors this afternoon. If I see AB I shall ask him what he thought of Mayo :-)

gormdubhgorm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Just going by what recently retired player told me.

they may not have a long historical association but Dublin and Mayo have been close rivals for last ten years and there's no denying there is a bit of frisson there!

I am trying to guess who the player is 'recently retired' means he played in the 06 game?

Hang on..... Ger Brennan, Alan Brogan, David Henry, Ciaran Whelan.

Ger Brennan and Whelo are the prime suspects, but they could handle themselves, so it would be more give then take from them.

But Alan Brogan must have got the worst treatment from his markers as he was the dangerman.

Alan Brogan is my guess!
He just wanted to play football and has a holy communion haircut.
Those nasty Mayo bullies would target him.

Bonniedog

Just going by what recently retired player told me.

they may not have a long historical association but Dublin and Mayo have been close rivals for last ten years and there's no denying there is a bit of frisson there!

Stoner

gormdubhgorm wrote:

I don't think there is, I think the players have a healthy respect for each other. It is not like they were lumping the heads off each other like Cork and Meath back in the 80s.

I'm unaware of any thing like this either.

The only one I heard of in the GAA that lasted a long time before it was resolved was Cork and Meath and that's all sorted now I hear.

Sure Dublin and Mayo hardly met, the history imo is largely recent

gormdubhgorm

seligehgit wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't believe there is a greater degree of nastiness in Dublin Mayo clashes than any of the other games?

I don't think there is, I think the players have a healthy respect for each other.
It is not like they were lumping the heads off each other like Cork and Meath back in the 80s.

Sure, after the all-Ireland final weren't #thingsleedid and Dermo hugging at the end of the game?

gormdubhgorm

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

But what exactly is "playing the game in the right spirit"?.

In order for that sort of bolloxology to work it requires player and team to have the exact same set of morals and view of what the right spirit is.As soon as anyone breaks the code then the other teams/players "playing the game in the right spirit" lose out by being too honest.

You play the game right to the limit of what the ref allows.

Exactly back in the days when country people used to snigger at all the Dubs hype and not getting the results, Dublin used to get out fought, and out thought time and time again.

Meanwhile the Ulster counties, and the rest used to get the big wins.

This Dublin team has lots of skill, but also has plenty of fellas who don't mind the physical stuff. Dublin cannot be intimidated and bullied like they used to.
I am delighted with that.

Sometimes players might go over the line, for example O'Gara, but is it the refs job to stop that and set the tone.

Bonniedog

I think you are right seligehgit. It is the fact that they play so often and that while matches have been close, Dublin have shaded most of the last ten or so games.

There is also a personal factor. Chap I was referring to said that he knows county players from around the country and is friendly with them. Played with a fair few of them in college etc. Players also mingle after games. CP encourages this by opening bar to them where they are all together. Now, that I imagine must be uncomfortable for a losing team. I certainly wouldn't do it but some do and while they are not hugging and dancing it does relieve tensions. Apparently Mayo and Dubs do not do this.

On other hand he was saying that while James Horan was a bit of a bete noir for Dublin when Horan was manager that Horan is a really sound chap in his new capacity. Indeed while some here slag him I would rate him as one of the best pundits. Probably better on radio than TV.

TCDStudent1

LeoB wrote: »

Must be a Mayo thing. Billy Joe Padden was awful on T.V. and further explains why Mayo with people like him and Horan cant win an All-ireland. Unless it was 100% clearcut he it was a "soft" free. McHugh when fouled he said they wrapped him up well!! When McMahon was pushed over the end line it was a great tackle...

Felt the referee ruined the game. Some of the cards were very harsh in the first half and yet he let a few tackles go in the second half, just totally ignored some of the sly digs.

Thought Kerry overdone the physical stuff. Some of their tackling was fierce for first 45-50 minutes. As someone said it was a throw back to the old Kerry way of battering teams. That said I think they are going to be a serious challenge for anyone come July and August. They look a better team than over the last 2 years.

Great to see Paul Flynn and Cian O'Sullivan back. Great boost for the squad and good timing with Roscommon next week I think they should both start and get the game time they need.. Few highlights and positives, Cluxtons save was very good from Geaney in 2nd half, Conor McHughs points. Lowndes, Mick Fitz and Daly superb. Rock frees also top drawer.

I listened to it on the radio. Marty Morrissey was proclaiming it to be a great game, championship in March is what he said at one point. I only saw the first half on TV later but I could not believe how scrappy and stop / start the game was compared to what he portrayed on the radio.

seligehgit

Bonniedog wrote: »

Begins with an M

Can't be more specific than that. Other than its not Meath or Monaghan .....

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't believe there is a greater degree of nastiness in Dublin Mayo clashes than any of the other games?Familiarity does breed contempt and as it is so sadly and frustratingly one sided from my point of view I'm sure it may feed into the mindsets of the respective players in different ways.

God be the days when the Meath jersey was the apparent red rag to a bull in terms of opponents.:)

I only saw the first half of the game last night,shall watch the remainder of same but it was a very mean spirited contest with an awful lot of off the ball stuff.

It's fine and well saying that the referee should send off four or five lads per game and they'll get the message but it'll ruin the games as a spectacle.But it would likely work in the very long run.However there is a certain responsibility on the players/management to as far as possible play within the spirit of the rules.There is still room for teams to win games the right way.Gaelic football is not doomed but is in danger of driving away those less than diehard GAA supporters.

LeoB

Bambi wrote: »

Horan thinks that was a great game, shows how poor football is these days.

Must be a Mayo thing. Billy Joe Padden was awful on T.V. and further explains why Mayo with people like him and Horan cant win an All-ireland. Unless it was 100% clearcut he it was a "soft" free. McHugh when fouled he said they wrapped him up well!! When McMahon was pushed over the end line it was a great tackle...

Felt the referee ruined the game. Some of the cards were very harsh in the first half and yet he let a few tackles go in the second half, just totally ignored some of the sly digs.

Thought Kerry overdone the physical stuff. Some of their tackling was fierce for first 45-50 minutes. As someone said it was a throw back to the old Kerry way of battering teams. That said I think they are going to be a serious challenge for anyone come July and August. They look a better team than over the last 2 years.

Great to see Paul Flynn and Cian O'Sullivan back. Great boost for the squad and good timing with Roscommon next week I think they should both start and get the game time they need.. Few highlights and positives, Cluxtons save was very good from Geaney in 2nd half, Conor McHughs points. Lowndes, Mick Fitz and Daly superb. Rock frees also top drawer.

Bonniedog

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Ooh which county?!

Begins with an M

Can't be more specific than that. Other than its not Meath or Monaghan .....

TCDStudent1

Bonniedog wrote: »

That is a sad tale.

There is a fair bit of nastiness between current players from the top teams. I doubt there be too many of them having the crack in 40 years time like Paddy Cullen and Mikey Sheehy.

I know one Dub player who retired a few years ago and he absolutely hates some of his opponents. From one county in particular...

Kind of sad really.

Ooh which county?!

Dirty Dingus McGee

corny wrote: »

Refs are up **** creek and you never hear anything about the personal responsibility of the lads playing the game. Kerry systematically took turns in doing the fouling and no player goes in for wrestling match twice. Its not heat of the moment stuff. MDM upset every Kerryman around him when a free went against him. Didn't even accomplish anything, just jostled for the fun of it or for a reaction. The rules tell the ref to move the ball forward not to teach MDM how to not behave like a wagon.

The Refs have all the power.They can send players off if they misbehave enough.

The players are taking advantage of them (as you'd expect) and as the saying goes if you have an ass ride it.

Bonniedog

Ken Tucky wrote: »

My little fella who is 7 had a great time at the game but as we were leaving he began to tire and started crying because of the violence he had witnessed on the pitch.

One part of me found it amusing and another part of me thinks he has a point.

Some of the melees out there tonight were fairly heavy. Kerry's tactics for the coming season or were we as bad?

That is a sad tale.

There is a fair bit of nastiness between current players from the top teams. I doubt there be too many of them having the crack in 40 years time like Paddy Cullen and Mikey Sheehy.

I know one Dub player who retired a few years ago and he absolutely hates some of his opponents. From one county in particular...

Kind of sad really.

corny

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

But this approach is tolerated by the officials.It's their fault this sort of stuff happens.

If I was a football ref there would be at lest 3 or 4 red cards handed out in every game I reffed and eventually the players would learn their lesson. Unfortunately the refs in GAA don't have the balls to dish out the cards over and over again so that players behaviour changes.

Refs are up **** creek and you never hear anything about the personal responsibility of the lads playing the game. Kerry systematically took turns in doing the fouling and no player goes in for wrestling match twice. Its not heat of the moment stuff. MDM upset every Kerryman around him when a free went against him. Didn't even accomplish anything, just jostled for the fun of it or for a reaction. The rules tell the ref to move the ball forward not to teach MDM how to not behave like a wagon.

Dirty Dingus McGee

corny wrote: »

Don't accept your assertion and playing the game in the right spirit is playing the game as its set out in the rules. Not rigidly obviously but with a degree of respect to the game we play. Why the **** would you write rules if lads are playing their own version of the game.

You can horse into the other team and lay down a marker within the rules. Happens in hurling all the time. I'd celebrate that. But this overtly negative approach to the game is ****ing killing it for me. Pulling, dragging, cheating, complaining, ****ing up the refs day, whats not to love right?

Anyway....carry on.

But this approach is tolerated by the officials.It's their fault this sort of stuff happens.

If I was a football ref there would be at lest 3 or 4 red cards handed out in every game I reffed and eventually the players would learn their lesson. Unfortunately the refs in GAA don't have the balls to dish out the cards over and over again so that players behaviour changes.

corny

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

But what exactly is "playing the game in the right spirit"?.

In order for that sort of bolloxology to work it requires player and team to have the exact same set of morals and view of what the right spirit is.As soon as anyone breaks the code then the other teams/players "playing the game in the right spirit" lose out by being too honest.

You play the game right to the limit of what the ref allows.

Don't accept your assertion and playing the game in the right spirit is playing the game as its set out in the rules. Not rigidly obviously but with a degree of respect to the game we play. Why the **** would you write rules if lads are playing their own version of the game.

You can horse into the other team and lay down a marker within the rules. Happens in hurling all the time. I'd celebrate that. But this overtly negative approach to the game is ****ing killing it for me. Pulling, dragging, cheating, complaining, ****ing up the refs day, whats not to love right?

Anyway....carry on.

ProudDUB

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Fair play to Kilkenny for taking that yellow towards the end.

There is a time and place for 'nice' football and tonight was not one of them.

+1

So much to chew on. Be very interesting to hear what the people at the match thought. From watching it on the telly, the kickouts were worrying. It wasn't so much that Kerry pushed up on them, but that so many of them wound up in Kerry hands, by purely traditional means. What is going on with Deano? Is he taking more time than usual to take them, or are refs deliberately cutting down on time wasting? He never struck me as someone cough...cough..Cillian O'Connor....cough, who goes over the top timewise.

Think O'Gara is best as an impact sub. He brings an energy in the last 15 minutes. that just isn't being channeled properly when he starts. Be very interesting to see what Fenton learns from not having things all his own way for a change. Was disappointed in Scully. If he really wants to challenge for Flynners jersey, he'll need to figure out how to impose himself on games more. Especially as Flynner himself looks close to being back to his imperious best. Still, I love how eager he is to get really stuck in and he is deffo one of years best surprises.

Special mention to Darren Daly too. He seems to be out growing the 10 minute cameos at the end of games & growing into an almost Dennis Bastick type of role. Any word on John Small? He looked to be in some distress coming off. Am deliberately ignoring our butchering of yet more goal chances. I won't sleep tonight if I don't.

DoctaDee

Nah the league usually brings up a few settlers from the previous years championship - Omagh readily springs to mind and we've had a few in Killarney. Mayo/Kerry had a few scores settled too - the real stuff in august is a different matter

Dirty Dingus McGee

corny wrote: »

Nice edit.;)

No. You can win by playing the game in the right spirit though.

You win these days in football by cheating and stopping the opposition. Thats the starting point. If you can pile the pressure on the ref and force him to send off a player all the better.

But what exactly is "playing the game in the right spirit"?.

In order for that sort of bolloxology to work it requires player and team to have the exact same set of morals and view of what the right spirit is.As soon as anyone breaks the code then the other teams/players "playing the game in the right spirit" lose out by being too honest.

You play the game right to the limit of what the ref allows.

Ken Tucky

My little fella who is 7 had a great time at the game but as we were leaving he began to tire and started crying because of the violence he had witnessed on the pitch.

One part of me found it amusing and another part of me thinks he has a point.

Some of the melees out there tonight were fairly heavy. Kerry's tactics for the coming season or were we as bad?

Ken Tucky