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Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

sparrowcar

Contact lost just before 0100 off the west coast of Achill island on a rescue mission.
Search in progress including all available ships and Rescue 115.

Hopefully a positive outcome to this.

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greenspurs

I hope the authorities get a break in the weather to aid the recovery.
Is it true the church (?) Capt Fitzpatrick is going to is on the R116 road ?
What a coincidence if true !!! RIP .

Gadgetman496

greenspurs wrote: »

I hope the authorities get a break in the weather to aid the recovery.
Is it true the church (?) Capt Fitzpatrick is going to is on the R116 road ?
What a coincidence if true !!! RIP .

Yes it is

Gaoth Laidir

greenspurs wrote: »

I hope the authorities get a break in the weather to aid the recovery.
Is it true the church (?) Capt Fitzpatrick is going to is on the R116 road ?
What a coincidence if true !!! RIP .

That is a terrible coincidence alright... :-(

allthedoyles

Just following the thread and seen footage on youtube of helicopters crashing into the sea . As someone said above its like hitting concrete .

These people risk life and limb to save lives and I hope all is found soon RIP . May the weather change for the better ASAP .

eatmyshorts

Technical and logical discussion has now been reduced to this type of drivel.

EDIT: Some posts deleted for housekeeping once mod had his nights sleep.
Decided to leave the posts about the funeral arrangement there for a certain amount of time rather than immediately clearing them out. Because it is not solely a technical discussion, its a tragedy for 4 families and a wider community.

J.pilkington

Some new lines of enquiry being released

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/probe-into-whether-helicopter-attempted-to-land-on-black-rock-35542602.html

Gaoth Laidir

J.pilkington wrote: »

Some new lines of enquiry being released

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/probe-into-whether-helicopter-attempted-to-land-on-black-rock-35542602.html

Typical Indo sensationalism. "It is believed Capt Fitzpatrick..." No, it is not believed. Nothing is believed at this time. And of course they don't say who "a source" is. Could be anyone.

markpb

Gaoth Laidir wrote:

Typical Indo sensationalism. "It is believed Capt Fitzpatrick..." No, it is not believed. Nothing is believed at this time. And of course they don't say who "a source" is. Could be anyone.

I think you're reading too much into it. It's a phrase papers use to describe something that *could* be possible. There are plenty of rubbish articles in the Indo, this isn't one of them.

cosanostra

That indo article is a bit disrespectful to Capt Mark Duffy I'd say he would make as much effort to save his helicopter and crew

fepper

Just reading that indo article and saw that they can refuel on that black rock island,is there a underground storage tank installed for the fuel and who and how would they bring that bulk fuel out there,you'd think mainland ie. near the pier would be safer

h3000

fepper wrote: »

Just reading that indo article and saw that they can refuel on that black island,is there a underground storage tank installed for the fuel and who and how would they bring that bulk fuel out there,you'd think mainland ie. near the pier would be safer

The refuel is on Blacksod on the mainland. It's badly worded in the article.

Needles73

fepper wrote: »

Just reading that indo article and saw that they can refuel on that black island,is there a underground storage tank installed for the fuel and who and how would they bring that bulk fuel out there,you'd think mainland ie. near the pier would be safer

They cannot refuel on that island. They can on the mainland at blacksod. The island is blackrock

DOCARCH

fepper wrote: »

Just reading that indo article and saw that they can refuel on that black island,is there a underground storage tank installed for the fuel and who and how would they bring that bulk fuel out there,you'd think mainland ie. near the pier would be safer

All the article is speculating is that they attempted an emergency landing at Black Rock, while en route to Blacksod to refuel.

There are/were no refueling facilities on Black Rock and helipad is just there for light house access/maintenance (by/for smaller helis).

cosanostra

Someone suggested earlier in this thread that blackrock island doesn't appear on their navigation maps can anyone confirm this or rule out that they wouldn't have been aware of Blackrock island.

AndyBoBandy

cosanostra wrote: »

Someone suggested earlier in this thread that blackrock island doesn't appear on their navigation maps can anyone confirm this or rule out that they wouldn't have been aware of Blackrock island.

It's there alright

The thought of a lighthouse on an 80m high rock not being on Nav charts is absurd.

horsefarm

According to the indo they did a very similar rescue a few days before.http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/the-skies-are-desolately-quiet-without-the-crew-of-rescue-116-35542611.html
I'm sure they were well aware of Blackrock. Whatever happened, my heart is broken for these heros and their families

Big Nasty

Absolutely insane crowd in Glencullen

Gaoth Laidir

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

It's there alright

The thought of a lighthouse on an 80m high rock not being on Nav charts is absurd.

That's not an aviation chart though. On my Sky Demon chart it's not there.

Calina

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

It's there alright

The thought of a lighthouse on an 80m high rock not being on Nav charts is absurd.

That's not an aviation chart though. On my Sky Demon chart it's not there.

It is on google maps. The chances of it being missing from maps used bt professionals in coast rescue have to be approaching zero.

Cianmcliam

Calina wrote: »

It is on google maps. The chances of it being missing from maps used bt professionals in coast rescue have to be approaching zero.

It's missing on the OSI 1:50000 maps, on my digital version there's a small section of grid that looks like it might be for the island and islets but there is nothing actually indicated.

scuby

R117 completed a fly by over the church where the funeral is taking place a few mins ago. Saw earlier the road that the church is on, is called the "R116"

prunudo

scuby wrote: »

R117 completed a fly by over the church where the funeral is taking place a few mins ago. Saw earlier the road that the church is on, is called the "R116"

Flying around Bray seafront now, never seen so many people look up and take notice of a helicopter before.

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scuby wrote: »

R117 completed a fly by over the church where the funeral is taking place a few mins ago. Saw earlier the road that the church is on, is called the "R116"

That was a weather check, fly by not complete

HighLine

R117 seems to be on route to Glencullen now.

king2

Blackrock lighthouse is on the 1:500000 aeronautical chart

Tenger

cosanostra wrote: »

That indo article is a bit disrespectful to Capt Mark Duffy I'd say he would make as much effort to save his helicopter and crew

I fully agree.
I would just put that down to the Indo and their normal level of journalism on specialist matters. I suspect the writer is just focused on the single crewmember recovered rather than it being deliberate.

As regards the posts asking about the mapping situation. Please stop basing your assumptions on Google maps, OSI maps or similar public domain resources. The previous poster threw up those images purely as a guide to the location of Blackrock island.
The SAR crews would of course have highly detailed professional mapping software, charts and of course personal knowledge of the Irish coastline.

Flippyfloppy

And even so , the lighthouse beacon would visually alert them right?

Discodog

Tenger wrote: »

I fully agree.
I would just put that down to the Indo and their normal level of journalism on specialist matters. I suspect the writer is just focused on the single crewmember recovered rather than it being deliberate.

As regards the posts asking about the mapping situation. Please stop basing your assumptions on Google maps, OSI maps or similar public domain resources. The previous poster threw up those images purely as a guide to the location of Blackrock island.
The SAR crews would of course have highly detailed professional mapping software, charts and of course personal knowledge of the Irish coastline.

I agree which is what makes it all the stranger why they would be so close to Blackrock & why I asked if it was a waypoint on the normal refueling run to Blacksod.

Who has access to the radio for a Mayday ? Is it just the flight crew or the rear crew as well ?

jmayo

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

In the recovery process of the wreckage fishermen and civilians are bringing in parts of the wreckage to the pier where parts and I suppose potential clues to the cause could easily be lost in the handover process, should the navy not be only collecting and storing all the wreckage at sea and then bringing it ashore? I fully appreciate all the hard work and help that everyone in the area has given to the recovery process and I am proud of the response of the people of our country to aid the recovery.

I actually would trust the fishermen and local civilians who are lending a hand above some of our state services.

The AGS have requested people to hand in anything to local Garda Station and AFAIK Belmullet has been used as storage point.

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

I have checked my Sky Demon app and it doesn't show Black Rock or indeed the much larger Duvillaun More to its east. Both islands are completely missing on the chart. Would it be possible that they are also missing on the S92 nav charts? Not sure what suite they use (Garmin or Colllins?) and I'm sure it's highly unlikely that they would not be aware of the islands, however in 300-ft ceiling and 3-km visibility at night it's a different story. It should be pointed out that both islands are present on the 1:500,000 and 1:250,000 paper charts.

cosanostra wrote: »

Someone suggested earlier in this thread that blackrock island doesn't appear on their navigation maps can anyone confirm this or rule out that they wouldn't have been aware of Blackrock island.

Are you seriously asking that question ?
All the SAR piliots are very much aware of that rocky island with the big bloody lighthouse on top of it and they don't rely on Sky Demon, Iphones, or Google for their navigation.

The fact someone is aware of Skydemon and yet thinks a professional SAR operation hasn't anything better scares me, most especially if they are a pilot.

gctest50

jmayo wrote: »

..............

Are you seriously asking that question ?
All the SAR piliots are very much aware of that rocky island with the big bloody lighthouse on top of it and they don't rely on Sky Demon, Iphones or Google for their navigation.

The fact someone is aware of Skydemon and yet thinks a professional SAR operation hasn't anything better scares me, most especially if they are a pilot.

There's an app for dat

Sikorsky developed the iPad-based application "iFly," which replicates common performance calculations outlined in the S-92 and S-76D rotorcraft flight manuals and eliminates the need for paper charts

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/innovations/062816-webt-sikorsky-helicopter-smart-technology.html