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STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

paddy147

The amount of threads getting posted each day about stoves is unreal and taking away from other plumbing issues.

Can I suggest to the members and also the mods a dedicated "sticky" thread about stoves and nothing else.

Thanks.:)

Hi Folks. This sticky has been suggested by a regular poster and contributed to quite well. It seems to have generated a lot of interest. While advertising is not permitted under forum charter a balanced view of multiple suppliers is allowed. The rule of thumb is if you are unsure just ask. But keeping it simple and discussing the techanical details of multiple suppliers will be safe. Keep pricing out of the thread and only reply if requested to by PM -Personal message. An instant permant ban will result for breach of charter on advertising.

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CaraK

Haven17 wrote: »

Hello, really hoping someone can help me with this! I'm looking for a double sided stove with external air supply suitable for use in a house with heat recovery ventilation. Its a new build, not passive but hoping to be as airtight as we can afford. I have contacted numerous stove suppliers and opinions seem to vary from one sales person to the next - especially in relation to having a wall vent in the rooms a stove may be installed in - why have HRV if this is the case. As it stands I have been unable to find a double sided stove with external air going directly to the fire box. Does anyone have experience on this, any and all advice greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Did you have any luck with sourcing one?

Forge83

If there is a stove there has to be a wall vent. Regardless of whether it is HRV or not.
Yes it's contradictory but that is what the building regulations state. It is for carbon monoxide safety.
Biggest selling free standing Double side stove with external air is probably the Boru Carrig Mor double. The only other one I am aware of is the Brightfire 20.
There are many other free standing double sided stoves but none with external air to the best of my knowledge.
I will have a look later if there is another option.
If it was an inset cassette there would be more options.....

CaraK

Forge83 wrote: »

If there is a stove there has to be a wall vent. Regardless of whether it is HRV or not.
Yes it's contradictory but that is what the building regulations state. It is for carbon monoxide safety.
Biggest selling free standing Double side stove with external air is probably the Boru Carrig Mor double. The only other one I am aware of is the Brightfire 20.
There are many other free standing double sided stoves but none with external air to the best of my knowledge.
I will have a look later if there is another option.
If it was an inset cassette there would be more options.....

Thanks for replying

Do you know if there is any genuine room sealed inset cassette options that will in a passive house with MHRV?

Forge83

CaraK wrote: »

Thanks for replying

Do you know if there is any genuine room sealed inset cassette options that will in a passive house with MHRV?

Spartherm definetly have them-
http://europeanstovesandfireplaces.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/GB_H2O_Prospekt_32S_2015_03.pdf

There are others that I am quiet sure can also be ordered as sealed but as I am not 100% I wouldn't post them here.

Eoghan25

Looking to get views on standalone stove pricing. Looking for something in existing fireplace.

http://johnwalshfireplaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/free_standing_stove.jpg

its for a small sitting room measurements only for room heating not rads etc

3.07m x 5.07m

we currently have a standard fireplace will looking to get the fireplace ripped out,fireplace hole enlarged, the brick work done on the inside similar to pic and stove installed. I was at fireplace store today
and i was saying hoping to keep in budget of 2k all in install etc. I was told this was completely unrealistic i would be looking
3k at minimum which seems expensive to me? Am i being unrealistic on this

Eoghan25 wrote: »

Looking to get views on standalone stove pricing. Looking for something in existing fireplace.

http://johnwalshfireplaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/free_standing_stove.jpg

its for a small sitting room measurements only for room heating not rads etc

3.07m x 5.07m

we currently have a standard fireplace will looking to get the fireplace ripped out,fireplace hole enlarged, the brick work done on the inside similar to pic and stove installed. I was at fireplace store today
and i was saying hoping to keep in budget of 2k all in install etc. I was told this was completely unrealistic i would be looking
3k at minimum which seems expensive to me? Am i being unrealistic on this

2k including the stove?
Are you lining the chimney?

i was hoping that stove would be included with 2k am i dreaming?

There is existing lining i will be getting inspected and will decide based on that

Eoghan25 wrote: »

i was hoping that stove would be included with 2k am i dreaming?

There is existing lining i will be getting inspected and will decide based on that

Not realistic to be honest. 3k seems reasonable including the stove and materials.
What county you based in?

mikeoneilly

Can you do some of the work yourself?

It's not rocket science or anything

steamsey

deniseb1000 wrote: »

Hello, I am hoping someone can give me some advise on choosing wood burning cassette stove to heat the sitting room which is 11ft wide * 17 ft * 8ft high. The heat output calculator says I need 4kw but there isn't very much at all in that category and even less in the style I like. I really like the Kratki Jas 7kw and the Henley Athens 500 styles. I have had a couple of companies out and they are giving me conflicting advise. One guy told me I would be fine with a 7kw stove in the room ( he said I could go up to 8kw if I wanted!) and just open the door but the other guy told me if I go more than 5kw I will crack my ceiling and warp my doors with the heat! I don't want to make a mistake on this as it is a lot of money so if anyone has any experience on these stoves or have other recommendations I really would appreciate the advice.

Why go wood burning? Multi fuels are handy to have in case you want to burn coal (overnight burns etc). I think the comment you got about cracking ceilings and warping doors is over the top, especially for a 5kw stove. We have a Boru 7kw casette / insert and it has been doing great for the past 18 months. It heats a large living room, and the adjoining kitchen too. With all doors closed, and at full tilt, it will get the living room to 27c after a few hours, which is uncomfortably hot but I wanted to see what it could do. Remember - with any 7kw stove - you don't have to run it full of fuel, at full heat. I would definitely get more professional advice. You should read my post about insert stoves from 18 months ago where we had a bad experience. Proper and safe installation is so important.

BoardsMember

Anyone know if I could get an inset stove into this fireplace?

Shefwedfan

BoardsMember wrote: »

Anyone know if I could get an inset stove into this fireplace?

You will need to change the white bits at side from what I can gather. The wooden surround you can keep

Forge83

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You will need to change the white bits at side from what I can gather. The wooden surround you can keep

Can you explain your reasoning that the wooden surround can be kept?
Because if you can't your advice could kill someone.
Wreckless comment!

Forge83

BoardsMember wrote: »

Anyone know if I could get an inset stove into this fireplace?

The short answer is no.
The timber surround overhead is going to be too close for safety. There are a small number of stoves which allow a 300mm gap but it looks like that is not there.
What is the width of the opening? If not 16" minimum then the tiled insert would have to be changed. The metal hood would have to be cut off.
In short it would be easier and cheaper to replace the whole fireplace.

Shefwedfan

I would hope the person would go to installer anyway

See attachment for measurement. I meant to attach to original post

Forge83

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I would hope the person would go to installer anyway

See attachment for measurement. I meant to attach to original post

They asked the question here though and you gave out false information.
Also please ignore the dimensions you have posted as they are not correct!!
That is for one specific Inset stove. Every Inset stove should have their own tested distance to combustibles.
I think it's best you refrain from posting on stove installation as you obviously don't know.

Shefwedfan

Forge83 wrote: »

They asked the question here though and you gave out false information.
Also please ignore the dimensions you have posted as they are not correct!!
That is for one specific Inset stove. Every Inset stove should have their own tested distance to combustibles.
I think it's best you refrain from posting on stove installation as you obviously don't know.

hahaha

Serious grow up.

rpmcs

Yes that looks like Stanley cara inset.
Stove is 600mm high plus 550mm above...not many timber surrounds going to have over 1meter to hearth .
So in this case timber would have to be removed in my opinion

BoardsMember

Thanks for the replies, will have to measure up when I get home to get the opening width, distance between the bits and pieces etc.

Sorry to start a row!

Wearb

BoardsMember wrote: »

Thanks for the replies, will have to measure up when I get home to get the opening width, distance between the bits and pieces etc.

Sorry to start a row!

You didn't start a row and I am sure that you have been able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Shefwedfan

BoardsMember wrote: »

Thanks for the replies, will have to measure up when I get home to get the opening width, distance between the bits and pieces etc.

Sorry to start a row!

No row here

Best of luck with it

Wearb

May a multi fuel stove (or even two of them) be installed in a new build and still comply with building regulations?

Forge83

Yes.
However....
1.To achieve an acceptable energy rating the house may require extra renewable energy sources, high level insulation, triple glazed windows etc. They are just examples.
2.Each room with a stove will require a wall vent. This contradicts the use of a heat recovery system but it is what the building regulations state.
3.Each stove will have to have an external air pipe for its own independent air supply.

I am a stove person but I think anybody building a new house would be mad to put in two stoves. In a new build house a stove is really only a comfort feature,it should not really be needed as a form of heat.

Wearb

Forge83 wrote: »

Yes.
However....
1.To achieve an acceptable energy rating the house may require extra renewable energy sources, high level insulation, triple glazed windows etc. They are just examples.
2.Each room with a stove will require a wall vent. This contradicts the use of a heat recovery system but it is what the building regulations state.
3.Each stove will have to have an external air pipe for its own independent air supply.

I am a stove person but I think anybody building a new house would be mad to put in two stoves. In a new build house a stove is really only a comfort feature,it should not really be needed as a form of heat.

Thanks for that. Air to water underfloor heating. Some sort of double glazing that gives close to triple glaze u values.

One stove is more or less a visual feature. The other is just in case other heating system goes down. Both dry stoves.

Forge83

There's loads of options these days. A BER accessor would be able to give you a more accurate idea of what's needed.
On the stove side of it you can also go down the gas insert, electric insert and even pellet stove. Lots of good looking stuff of high quality on the market now.

henke

Just wondering has anyone got opinions on the heat output of a Cara + insert stove. I seen some posters saying the non boiler version gives good heat but I am wondering about this one. I want to fit it into an existing fireplace. My living room is 15 foot 3" by 11 foot 10". Some people are advising against an insert saying they don't give out the same heat but I am unsure.
Also, if anyone has any other suggestions for a solution that doesn't come too far out from the wall I'd be interested to hear. That is the reason I was looking at an insert was for space. I don't think I need a large stove though.
Thanks.

Forge83

I thought the Cara plus was an insert boiler stove?
The Cara room heater insert are a very good stove. Mixed reviews on the boiler version however.
Your room size really only requires a 5kw but no real harm in going up an extra 1kw to the Cara.
People who advised they give less heat are incorrect. Whether it is insert or freestanding the stated kilowatt is the heat given to the room if fitted correctly.
Loads of options of insert stoves around that size but if you like the Cara you should have no problems.

henke

Forge83 wrote: »

I thought the Cara plus was an insert boiler stove?
The Cara room heater insert are a very good stove. Mixed reviews on the boiler version however.
Your room size really only requires a 5kw but no real harm in going up an extra 1kw to the Cara.
People who advised they give less heat are incorrect. Whether it is insert or freestanding the stated kilowatt is the heat given to the room if fitted correctly.
Loads of options of insert stoves around that size but if you like the Cara you should have no problems.

Yes the Cara Plus is a boiler stove and it is a boiler one that I am after and I am just concerned how this one would heat the room. Looking online it says it gives a maximum of 3.6kw to the room. The Cara insert without a boiler gives 6.5kw to the room. I am just concerned how the Cara plus would perform and it sounds like your saying this one has got mixed reviews?
If anyone has any other suggestions for a boiler insert stove or a not too large boiler stove that doesn't take up much space I'd be interested to hear?

Mickeroo

henke wrote: »

Yes the Cara Plus is a boiler stove and it is a boiler one that I am after and I am just concerned how this one would heat the room. Looking online it says it gives a maximum of 3.6kw to the room. The Cara insert without a boiler gives 6.5kw to the room. I am just concerned how the Cara plus would perform and it sounds like your saying this one has got mixed reviews?
If anyone has any other suggestions for a boiler insert stove or a not too large boiler stove that doesn't take up much space I'd be interested to hear?

I've been researching insert boiler stoves a fair bit lately and I'm angling towards the Stratford EB16i myself (or possibly the EB12i depending on what the plumber thinks I need).

The other ones I've been considering are the Henley Achill and the Charnwood Slx 45i.

I've no first hand experience of any of them but they might be good options based on what I've seen people say on this thread and elsewhere.

Forge83

The Cara Inset boiler wouldn't be one I would recommend as I think there are many better Inset boiler stoves.
However all Inset boiler stoves give low heat to the room.
Listed below in order of what I believe are the best 3.

1. Stratford EB12 Inset boiler
2. Hamlet Solution 12 Inset boiler
3. Henley Achill 17 Inset boiler

Others on the market include the Pierce Glas Inset boiler, Hamco Morgan Inset boiler, Alpha Inset boiler, Graphite Inset boiler, Boru Chieftan.
There are a few others from Heritage, Mulberry, Blacksmith and Heat Design but I wouldn't rate any of them.

dixiefly

Forge83 wrote: »

I thought the Cara plus was an insert boiler stove?
The Cara room heater insert are a very good stove. Mixed reviews on the boiler version however.
Your room size really only requires a 5kw but no real harm in going up an extra 1kw to the Cara.
People who advised they give less heat are incorrect. Whether it is insert or freestanding the stated kilowatt is the heat given to the room if fitted correctly.
Loads of options of insert stoves around that size but if you like the Cara you should have no problems.

Hi,

Some interesting points made here.
What insert stoves would you recommend that are approx 5kw?

Thanks

Forge83

The 5/6kw Inset stove market has loads of great choice as it is the biggest category of stove in Ireland at present.
The biggest seller is one design of stove sold by several companies as it is a fantastic stove.They are all the same stove with a different door.
Henley Apollo/ Heritage Pollmore/ Mazona Portland/ Casttec Cougar/ Mazona Tucson/ Heritage Dunmore.
Others to consider would be the Heat Design Vitae, Henley Achill, Stanley Cara,Graphite 5 Inset.
There are many others but that is most of the best ones.

There are some great high end stoves too but I don't think they are worth the price in this category of stove.
Charnwood C Four
Di Lusso R4
Esse 301se

henke

The Stratford EB12 Inset boiler would give near 5kw output and also heat the water. Would this substantially heat the room better than the Cara plus? Thanks.