lazybones32 wrote: » Kind of proving my point there...the children were buried in a plot beside the septic tank; not quite as sensational as "800 babies dumped in a septic tank" that was peddled and later retracted (i.e. they admitted they lied in printing that part, yet the misinformation still persists). I want to form my judgments based on the truth - don't you?
Neyite wrote: » Maintenance to the homes was covered by the local authorities, so the nuns didnt have to worry about the costs of upkeep. So in addition to being paid the average industrial wage (anyone know by the way how much that was, or how much it may be in todays money?) by the state to look after these mothers and children (which would support a single family with lots and lots of children outside the walls of the home), made money from slave labour, they also got a whopper amount of money for the adoptions. And still, the little ones were malnourished?
Test trenches were dug revealing two large structures. One structure appears to be a large sewage containment system or septic tank that had been decommissioned and filled with rubble and debris and then covered with top soil. The second structure is a long structure which is divided into 20 chambers. The Commission has not yet determined what the purpose of this structure was but it appears to be related to the treatment/containment of sewage and/or waste water. The Commission has also not yet determined if it was ever used for this purpose.
please helpThank YOU wrote: » Sorry for what happened to your mother but.its the state who did this.
please helpThank YOU wrote: » My Grandmother was pregnant with my mother in the 1950s she was unmarried and she had to leave Ireland to have my mother in the UK because Society turned on her and she was told leave Ireland you are not welcome and people would name call her WITH THE LIKES YOU ARE HAVING THE DEVILS CHILD. all of her friends turned there backs on her she was all alone and outcast. my Grandmother was asked to go into one of the homes like in tuam in Galway .my Grandmother all way says holly Ireland and she will never forget what happened to her . and its still the same turn on the radio and there on about unmarried women in 2017 .
Parchment wrote: » The state allowed it but the church caused it with all their fear mongering and shaming of people. I hope all those with their ashes on their foreheads this week can truely believe in such an organization.
KKkitty wrote: » IMO the state is as culpable as the church. They never disputed anything the church did no matter how wrong it was and still is. They can release all the statements they want, have all the tribunals they like but unless names of the culprits are revealed and people are jailed the suffering of the women who were put through this will never be OK. It's not ok anyway but there are many women in this country who are scarred for life by what they went through and still go through.
KKkitty wrote: » Whatever about dictating to people that they shouldn't have meat on certain days of the year forcing mothers to give up their own children is heinous. Being made feel like they were horrible women for getting pregnant outside marriage. No one to stick up for you no matter what.
dav3 wrote: » The more you post, the more the mask slips. You can pontificate in this thread right to the end, but it’s certainly not going to win you many fans. The people have a fair idea at this stage the severity of this issue. When you continually ask people to ‘calm down’ are you directing this at people within this thread debating the issues with facts, or the people who are still waiting for justice over half a century later?
dav3 wrote: » I will once again quote an email from Terry Prone written on behalf of the Bon Secours who had hired the communications clinic to carry out PR for them in relation to this. The facts of the story so far, are that a group of people wanted to prevent this story from getting any more coverage then it already had. Had all these deaths and ‘burials’ been legal and above board as you put in your hypothesis, it appears that these people went to extraordinary lengths to cover it up. The question would have to be asked why?
Snickers Man wrote: » I have no problem with people discussing the facts of the case. I have a problem with people histrionically exaggerating what happened and drawing wild conclusions that are not based on any facts at all. Especially those (do I really have to link and quote them all?) who are talking about "genocide" and "murder". I even question (note that word) whether there is any likelihood of a crime, ie an infringement of the law, to be investigated at all. To that end I have asked (note: asked) if anybody knows whether there are laws concerning the disposal of dead bodies because I genuinely don't know the answer and nobody has yet furnished one. Do you have any issue with my narrative of how events came to light, other than calling it "irrelevant"? If so, please do suggest corrections. Going by what we know of Catholic "care homes" it wasn't likely the babies were looked after. Terry Prone's letter, from its tone--you didn't leave the date in--seems to refer to a communication AFTER the story had broken. So she's hardly "covering up" something if it has already been made public is she? She's a spin doctor. She's hired to give her clients' point of view on things. She is open to challenge and rebuttal. Do you have a problem with this? BTW I don't like the wagon at all and, in hindsight, she has clearly made a false statement when she says "You will find no mass grave". At the time of writing, however, she was strictly correct because CONTRARY TO REPORTS AT THE TIME no mass grave had been found. Now it has. Your sneering at my "hypothesis" that "all these deaths and burials were legal and above board" implies that you think there must have been something illegal or criminal afoot? What crime or crimes specifically do you think were committed and where is the evidence for them? Now let ME repeat what I have said before. By the standards it claims and given the strictures it places on its own flock and their treatment of deceased loved ones the church has behaved hypocritically, callously and arrogantly to these people. But none of that is criminal. Being a bollox is not against the law, (fortunately). If people want to "bring perpetrators to justice" they first of all have to identify a crime. And then they have to determine who was responsible. Now what crimes are you talking about?
steddyeddy wrote: » You know what KKKitty? People still judge single mothers. It hasn't gone away yet.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Is there any way to trace who the nuns were in the home? If only to provide witness testimony.
pilly wrote: » Why has it taken so long from the initial findings to now?
lawred2 wrote: » If they couldn't sell them - they let them die
steddyeddy wrote: » Rest in peace poor unfortunates. You were murdered by degenerates and placed in a septic tank to be forgotten, but you'll be the ones remembered and the Garda, priests and bible thumpers will be forgotten.
please helpThank YOU wrote: » There is one Dublin radio station and radio presenter and the his listeners and he has radio shows all about unmarried women and the mob join in and the hate the say about poor women kids this is in 2017 most people would know who I am on about
kbannon wrote: » As per my previous post, there's no evidence of murder here!
Colser wrote: » Do you believe that they were cared for in the best possible way that was available to their "carers" at the time?
SEPT 23 1989 wrote: » Have a ljsten back to today's Liveline listen to one of the callers who fell into one of them while playing as a child Listen to her description
kbannon wrote: » Now that's just being daft. There's absolutely no evidence that anyone was murdered in Tuam so stop making stuff up! Note: as much as I loathe the institution, I'd prefer a mature and honest debate.
steddyeddy wrote: » A mass grave in a septic tank would give most people cause to think either foul play or child neglect/abuse. Let's hope you don't think burying babies in secret is normal.
