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"Over 1m viewers could have access cut over illegal streaming"

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The Commercial Court was told yesterday that as many as 1.3 million people in the State may be involved in illegally accessing the work of six film and TV studios through various streaming websites.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/over-1m-viewers-could-have-access-cut-over-illegal-streaming-1.2965805

Six US movie studios are taking Irish internet providers to court to force them to block illegal streaming websites. Fair enough but 1.3million is nearly a quarter of the population. Seems like a lot of people. Helluva attention grabbing headline.

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seamus

Joeface wrote: »

The problem with the likes of sky and virgin is they have dual financial streams. You paying the bill to them and the fee they take from channels and advertising . Then sky go and bib for the premiership rights and dump the cost on to the home user who doesn't even have the sport package. This was just completely wrong.

Virgin are very much positioning themselves to get out of the live TV market. They're focussing heavily on their broadband, mobile and in-demand offerings in the expectation that live TV is going the way of the dodo. They have no interest in running add-on packages any more when their TV subscription model will be non existent soon enough.

There will always be a certain amount of demand for live events, whether that be sports or speeches or news coverage But the revenue streams provided by broadcasting pre-recorded content are on a massive decline.

Within a decade or two we'll probably be back to one or two broadcast channels in Ireland and 95% of content being on demand.

lawred2

Jayop wrote: »

It totally is but it's handy for us. We have a lot of small kids in the house every day and being able to stick on the kids shows on Netflix when needed is handy. My teenage daughter also gets a lot of use from it, but she'll re-watch the same stuff over and over.

I used to bother with getting the American version but I don't bother any more and just use the other apps if something isn't on the Irish one.

Oh don't get me wrong - we use it too for the young lads but even our three year old has begun to cop that it's the same episodes over and over..

One season available of something that might have 10 seasons to it.. Pathetic.

Joeface

The problem with the likes of sky and virgin is they have dual financial streams. You paying the bill to them and the fee they take from channels and advertising . Then sky go and bib for the premiership rights and dump the cost on to the home user who doesn't even have the sport package. This was just completely wrong.

And to be honest most of the channels are actually crap now . I went free to air 2 years ago and have Netflix..never looked back. I do download a few TV shows that I simply will not wait for our TV stations to catch up say 6 months later.

I would love to see a company like Steam (gaming central for those who don't know) offer a service where you can pick the shows you want regardless of provider and pay a small fee for that, it would stop the illegal side and keep the user happy as well.Netflix are too locked into their own stuff as are hulu and HBO. Steam or something like it could be the middle man let people pick what they want ...and no ads and every one gets paid

Jayop

lawred2 wrote: »

Netflix content here is rubbish. Even for the kids.

It totally is but it's handy for us. We have a lot of small kids in the house every day and being able to stick on the kids shows on Netflix when needed is handy. My teenage daughter also gets a lot of use from it, but she'll re-watch the same stuff over and over.

I used to bother with getting the American version but I don't bother any more and just use the other apps if something isn't on the Irish one.

Jayop

And anyone saying that people will continue to stream illegally should this stuff be available for a reasonable cost just need to look at music. I don't know anyone who illegally downloads music any more. Like not a single person because it can all be got for a reasonable price per month on excellent services like Spotify.

Of course I'm sure a tiny minority do dl music but compared to a few years ago where everyone did or a few years before that when everyone was buying copied cds it's nothing.

Time for the TV industry to adopt the same model.

lawred2

Jayop wrote: »

It's not a monthly sub that people want to pay. It's a pay per view of content that is wanted. So if I want to watch a movie I pay a small fee if I want to watch a match I pay a small fee, if I want to watch a series a small fee. As it stands if I was to pay for Sky sports I still only have access to about a third of the games I want to watch, and about 5 hours a week of content I'm interested on. The rest is utter rubbish that I have no reason to pay for so I don't. Sky movies the same. Reruns over and over of the same old crap. Why anyone pays for that is beyond me.

Netflix I pay for so the kids have access but once I've watched 3 series in a year I'll not look at it again till the following year.

Netflix content here is rubbish. Even for the kids.

lawred2

Dravokivich wrote: »

They have nothing to do with Kodi. They constantly speak out against those plugins.

https://kodi.tv/the-piracy-box-sellers-and-youtube-promoters-are-killing-kodi/

well they could rework their plugin model to only run approved plugins if they wanted to

jester77

I've no problem paying, but availability is still an issue.

Google Music covers all my music
DAZN covers my sport
And then I have Amazon Prime and Netflix. They only cover about 60% of my TV shows, the rest are not even available anywhere legally.
Movies have gone down hill big time, anything I want to watch I go to film festivals and the cinema. But the quality has really stagnated in comparison to what TV shows are offering. The movie studios need to have a look in the mirror at why their profits are decreasing.

Streaming is not the problem plus they need to cop to f*ck on, a download does not equal a potential sale and loss in profit.

Dravokivich

lawred2 wrote: »

Well those kodi plugins must get their content from somewhere.

They have nothing to do with Kodi. They constantly speak out against those plugins.

https://kodi.tv/the-piracy-box-sellers-and-youtube-promoters-are-killing-kodi/

hatrickpatrick

The_Valeyard wrote: »

This is the problem right there.

Regional restrictions.

Like f*ck a fan of a show is going to wait a few months for the next season while the yanks watch away.

This so, so, so much.

It's entirely the audiovisual industry's fault that it refuses to get with the times and live in the globalised world the rest of us live in. Just f*cking sort it out, how hard can it be to tell distributors that something can either be released worldwide or not at all? If they don't like it, they can f*ck off and lose the revenue, simple as that.

Jayop

larchielads wrote: »

Ok lads how much per month do u think would be to havecaccess to all the football matches your movies and tv shows. Lets say sky did it. They buy the rights to show movies after like a month in the cinema or heck they just buy the rights to show the movie on release date. Tv shows showb the same time as in the US or if not it would be available the very next day due to the time diff. Or u could set your box to record it if yer in work etc.And to top it off u have access to all this via sky go account or sky player account all live when its live as in sport, live tv and access to your recordings too on any and every platform.

Right so guys name a " fair price"!!

It's not a monthly sub that people want to pay. It's a pay per view of content that is wanted. So if I want to watch a movie I pay a small fee if I want to watch a match I pay a small fee, if I want to watch a series a small fee. As it stands if I was to pay for Sky sports I still only have access to about a third of the games I want to watch, and about 5 hours a week of content I'm interested on. The rest is utter rubbish that I have no reason to pay for so I don't. Sky movies the same. Reruns over and over of the same old crap. Why anyone pays for that is beyond me.

Netflix I pay for so the kids have access but once I've watched 3 series in a year I'll not look at it again till the following year.

hatrickpatrick

If Primewire gets blocked it'll be a minor pain in the hole, having to load up Tor every time you look for a link and then switch to another browser to actually watch it, since Tor doesn't support video or flash.

Oh, the unspeakable horror! :rolleyes:

murpho999

elefant wrote: »

None of those come close to the big HBO productions though.

No, that's why they earned Emmy and Golden Globe nominations and awards.

elefant

murpho999 wrote: »

Stranger Things
House of Cards

are two that spring to mind.

Also involved with Better Call Saul which has been excellent.

None of those come close to the big HBO productions though.

lawred2

srsly78 wrote: »

Yes but not from Kodi.

Kodi is free software, anyone can modify it or make plugins. Third parties have made pirate plugins, but this is not Kodi's fault.

It's similar to blaming Microsoft because people download torrents on windows.

In my head I was referring to the plugins

Yourself isit

buried wrote: »

But that's exactly my point URL, the bar has been sent that low with what the major studios have been putting out the last decade and a half, the action hero, throwaway, triple x bull$hit, or the rom-com sappy throwaway bull$hit, that kind of noise only appeals to a minority, and eventually that minority audience watches it, they realise its crap, pointless and don't bother to watch the next installment.

What's this got to do with people streaming this content?

ED E

Jayop wrote: »

What's the legal situation anyway. I had always thought that if you streamed and didn't download then you were technically not breaking the law and if that's the case then they would have no grounds to cut you off.

I know people in the UK who have had letters from their ISP's ordering them to stop downloading illegally but don't think I've ever heard of that here.

If you can see or hear it, you're downloading it.

Don't know how that one is still going...

DHFrame

Dravokivich wrote: »

Underpinning? Kodi has nothing to do with them.

I think he means that Kodi 3rd party apps, streaming illegal content, only exists because of these illegal streaming sites.

I don't understand why the movie industry with all its trillions of dollars create something to deliver new movies to people's screens.

I'd pay 50 euro a month to have all cinema movies delivered to my home. Jesus, I'd even buy a projector and charge my mates €5 to come and watch the latest movies!! They could even smoke, drink and bring in food from outside without any issues. I'd do hotdogs and popcorn for a little extra.

srsly78

lawred2 wrote: »

Well those kodi plugins must get their content from somewhere.

Yes but not from Kodi.

Kodi is free software, anyone can modify it or make plugins. Third parties have made pirate plugins, but this is not Kodi's fault.

It's similar to blaming Microsoft because people download torrents on windows.

murpho999

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Good. But not great. It hasn't made a show that comes even close to HBO's best creations.

Stranger Things
House of Cards

are two that spring to mind.

Also involved with Better Call Saul which has been excellent.

lawred2

Dravokivich wrote: »

Underpinning? Kodi has nothing to do with them.

Well those kodi plugins must get their content from somewhere.

gramar

buried wrote: »

Somebody needs to tell the Hollywood movie studios its not the internets fault why nobody is going to the cinema anymore. They're not going because what Hollywood is currently making is absolute total f**king rehashed rubbish

I think the upcoming release of Transformers 5 somewhat undermines your point :pac:

elefant

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I started getting Netflix a while ago and the Irish site has about a tenth of the content that the American one does. Amazon Video launched in Ireland a few months ago and I think they have about ten titles. There's ways around it but that's against their rules so you're still risking being banned.

Dutch Netflix is even worse. It's a great service, but so much dross on it.

nullzero

buried wrote: »

Somebody needs to tell the Hollywood movie studios its not the internets fault why nobody is going to the cinema anymore. They're not going because what Hollywood is currently making is absolute total f**king rehashed rubbish

Precisely.
For the record anyone I know isn't streaming superhero movies anyway, those things are so boring and formulaic I wouldn't even bother watching them illegally never mind paying for the "privilege".

Ben Gadot

I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Word of mouth is such a big thing which is especially relevant for a film hoping to perform well.

The way I would see it is that if someone goes on the Internet and partakes in a bit of continual brand damage....then they can pay for the privilege.

There's something just incredibly entitled about the mentality that it's your "right" to do it without the threat of consequence.

Irish Guitarist

I started getting Netflix a while ago and the Irish site has about a tenth of the content that the American one does. Amazon Video launched in Ireland a few months ago and I think they have about ten titles. There's ways around it but that's against their rules so you're still risking being banned.

If the film and television studios want to stop people illegally downloading then they should give them a reasonable alternative. There should either be no restrictions on Netflix content or they should charge based on the amount of content available. And you should be able to stream a series for about €3.00, or watch an episode for about 50 cent.

larchielads

Ok lads how much per month do u think would be to havecaccess to all the football matches your movies and tv shows. Lets say sky did it. They buy the rights to show movies after like a month in the cinema or heck they just buy the rights to show the movie on release date. Tv shows showb the same time as in the US or if not it would be available the very next day due to the time diff. Or u could set your box to record it if yer in work etc.And to top it off u have access to all this via sky go account or sky player account all live when its live as in sport, live tv and access to your recordings too on any and every platform.

Right so guys name a " fair price"!!

[Deleted User]

Steam is a good example of a central place to find content that potentially saved an industry.. Netflix is great and all but until everything is available one one system, there will always be piracy.

They expect people to use Netflix and be used to having things on demand.. But when it's not available on that service, we're supposed to just sit and not watch it.

I can get it downloading in 30 seconds and in higher quality than Netflix.

prinzeugen

These idiots don't think about the potential viewers.

I started watching a series 6 years ago. Could get it on UPC.

Channel dropped it but still shown in the USA.

Only way to watch it now is by streaming it.

I would pay for it if they made it available (along with series 3+ of CHiPs).

If you don't want us downloading or streaming it illegally, make it available you twats!

buried

mdwexford wrote: »

Exactly, so you won't pay a reasonable amount for a reasonable service.

But they don't charge a fortune like you said so you were spouting nonsense.

They don't have 'Top Gun' though