alastair wrote: » Once again - apples and oranges. Sweden classifies and logs instances of reported rapes in a completely different fashion to other states. One Irish report could equate to dozens of Swedish ones.https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/12/12/how-anti-immigration-activists-misuse-rape-statistics/
Walter H Price wrote: » Bury your head in the sand all you want , call me what ever name you like but i will not accept that bringing in "Refugees" all male and all young unaccompanied adults is a good idea because the evidence is plain to see from the streets of Paris and Berlin to Calais, London etc.. same demographic group, same religion , same pattern. If its all going so swell why are Wilders and Le Penn surging in the Netherlands and France , why is Trump president why did immigrantion play such a huge role in the UK voting for Brexit why is Mama Merkel hanging on by the skin of her teeth ?
The Daily Star was wrong to claim hundreds of Syrians had been arrested for sexual offences in the UK but corrected the error itself after a complaint was raised with press regulator IPSO. An article in the newspaper, published on 31 July, included the headline: “Hundreds of Syrians arrested for rape and child abuse in UK”. It included police statistics that showed 987 people of Syrian heritage were arrested in England and Wales last year for crimes including rape, death threats and child abuse. However complainant Elizabeth Hubbard said the headline was not supported by the text, with arrests specifically for sexual offences not numbering in the hundreds. She told the Independent Press Standards Organisation: “There was no evidence in the article that hundreds of Syrians had been arrested for rape and child abuse in the UK.” The newspaper said it acknowledged the original headline was “misleading” because it “inaccurately stated that hundreds of Syrians had been arrested for sexual offences”. The Daily Star amended the headline to “Police arrest 900 Syrians in England and Wales for crimes including rape and child abuse” and added a correction to the foot of the article recording the amendment. It read: “This article was amended on 10 August 2016. The headlined originally said ‘Hundreds of Syrians arrested for rape and child abuse in the UK.’ “In fact whilst hundreds of Syrians have been arrested for criminal offences in England and Wales the majority of the offences that Syrians were arrested for was immigration violations, but there were other serious crimes. “For example, in London 238 Syrians were arrested including two for rape and seven for sex offences. The original headline was inaccurate and has been changed.” As the matter was resolved IPSO did not rule on whether there was a breach of the Editor’s Code of Conduct.
walshb wrote: » Assimilation and integration and mixing of cultures sounds brilliant....
Mary63 wrote: » The politicians go to dinner parties with the liberal left, they don't go to dinner parties with the disenfranchised living in Fettercairn and Mulhuddart.
—> Changing definitions of rape: over the past 20 years, Sweden has broadened the definition of rape several times: actions that are comparable to rape (e. g. forced vaginal fisting) was classified as rape in 1998, sex with someone in a helpless state (e. g. sleeping or passed out due to alcohol or drugs) was classified as rape in 2005 and sex with someone in a particularly vulnerable situation (e. g. victim paralyzed with fear) was classified as rape in 2013. Since a higher proportion of sex crimes is classified as rape, the incidence of rape reports increases over time.
More than half of German women think that Germany has become a less safe place for them: 58 percent say that public places are less safe than they used to be. 31 percent say the situation is unchanged, only ten percent feel safer now.
Last year, a YouGov poll found that 68% of Germans believe that security in the country has deteriorated over the past two or three years. Also, 68% of respondents said they fear for their lives and property in German train stations and subways, while 63% feel unsafe at large public events.
Deleted User wrote: » Sweden classifies and logs rapes in a completely different fashion to other States?
alastair wrote: » The Dublin protocols are not applicable to asylum seekers. They're an agreement between states, and don't imply any matter of illegality in aslysum seekers actions. And the 1951 convention is explicit in allowing for irregular entry for the purposes of seeking asylum, irrespective of whether that asylum is subsequently granted, or if the asylum seeker is referred back to a transit state.
alastair wrote: » I'd once again point to you the telling fact of the asylum status granted to thousands of people who came to this country via intermediate third countries.
b_mac2 wrote: » I don't, but I do know you're not fluent in any of the languages you've claimed to be proficient in. Sorry for going off topic. I just have quite a fondness for catching out liars.
Deleted User wrote: » Or maybe the Germans are all just imagining it?
alastair wrote: » Yes. It logs claims of multiple rapes as a series of individual rape reports - unlike other states. That obviously is not comparing like with like when it comes to statistics of reported rape.
Mary63 wrote: » I didn't work with them I am glad to say, it was a young relative who did.If you were surrounded in college by Irish speakers you had the choice to find someone you could communicate with.You also choose to travel and again if someone you met on your travels could communicate with you in your language most people have enough civility to make the effort. You have no choice in a workplace except to ask management on your behalf to request that the colleagues converse in a common language,you are obviously a very rude self centred person so you don't get how a sensitive working person would find this working environment intolerable so no point in debating this any further with you. I wish you had as much consideration for Irish people as you have for immigrants. The muslim women do breed non stop, what is the issue with that, we breed just as every other animal species does.The German and the italian native population and the French too have stopped breeding in sufficient numbers, this is a huge problem in France now as the Muslims are now twenty per cent of the population.If this keeps up and we continue to allow uncontrolled immigration white europeans are going to become a minority in Europe and with that goes our way of life and in comes the muslim way of life, thats not a very comforting thought.
AnGaelach wrote: » I've already cleared this matter for you,
AnGaelach wrote: » I've given you a direct quote from the legislation you are referencing. It refers to the right to travel to States when coming directly from your homeland,
AnGaelach wrote: » it does NOT grant you total immunity from immigration law.
AnGaelach wrote: » And we're not talking about that, are we? We're not saying whether they have a right to transit a country or not. We are discussing whether they are (as you posit) protected to illegally occupy an area - which they are not.
AnGaelach wrote: » You can obfuscate as much as you wish, but until you quote a piece of legislation proving your claim, I will continue to call you out on your lie. You are being deliberately deceptive. The law is not on your side in this argument, no matter how much you say "lalala" and keep your fingers in your ears.
4. The expression “coming directly” in Article 31(1), covers the situation of a person who enters the country in which asylum is sought directly from the country of origin, or from another country where his protection, safety and security could not be assured. It is understood that this term also covers a person who transits an intermediate country for a short period of time without having applied for, or received, asylum there. No strict time limit can be applied to the concept “coming directly” and each case must be judged on its merits.
What should prosecutors consider? • This provision is intended to exclude only those who had been recognised as refugees in other countries or who have been granted some other form of protection. Prosecutors should have regard here to the judgment in R v Asfaw [2008] UKHL 31 in which the majority of the court indicated that 'coming directly' should be interpreted in such a way that the provision is given a liberal interpretation so that a person may travel through several countries whilst they are still in flight until they eventually apply for asylum. • It is not important if the person came via a country or the number of countries the person has transited through. What is important is whether the person was able to obtain protection from persecution in the country in question. This includes those who are transiting through the UK to reach another country in which they intend to claim asylum. • No strict time limit for the passage through or the stop in another country can be applied to the concept of “coming directly” and each case must be judged on its own merits. The defence also applies to transit cases, where refugees are committing the offences to leave the UK – see Adimi and R v Asfaw [2008] UK HL 31.
alastair wrote: » No it doesn't.
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of Article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.
alastair wrote: » Well, from your own link, yes. They're imagining it.
AnGaelach wrote: » I'm not going to reply to the rest of your post, because you are either stupid or a being deliberately deceptive. I've already quoted the legislation you sourced and highlighted it for you. You've provided no evidence to support your claims, you've merely said "nuh uh" and peddle a lie again and again.
Deleted User wrote: » Of course. They went from being welcoming to feeling unsafe because... they're imagining it? Nothing to do with mass sexual assault, people being murdered by a piece of filth - (who, incidentally, entered Europe by pretending to be a minor), nothing to do with assaults of minors in swimming pools. Nope. They're all just imagining it - because Alastair provided a link to a rape apologists wet dream, and had the singularly poor taste to try to defend that link, not one, but twice.You do realise that makes you lose all credibility?
jmayo wrote: » I just find it very sad, also infuriating, when people are now going to the level of downplaying rape and sexual assaults to help their argument. Yes Sweden may count rapes differently but it sill sits way out there and we do know sexual assaults have increased.
alastair wrote: » Nope. We know the reporting of sexual assaults have increased - as they have here, and elsewhere.
jmayo wrote: » How many dead bodies, how many rape victims, how many traumatised children will it take before these people say no more and figure out there is more than just their feelings of superiority to consider here.
Mary63 wrote: » It isn't twenty minors, thats only the first tranche, we have to take at least two hundred.
Deleted User wrote: » Yes. Because multiple rapes are ... multiple rapes. Are you suggesting that a woman who has been raped 3, 4, or 5 times has only been raped once?
enricoh wrote: » I see over in Sweden it's working out great for the locals. A young local lad of 15 was raped by 5 afghani 'minors'. The local agency confirmed that the perpetrator was lying about being 17 and was older. The judge rejected this and took the rapists word that he was 17 n so tried as a child ! Jesus wept! 3 of middle eastern appearance even posted a live video on Facebook them raping a young one ! Maybe the swedish locals should try venting a bit of spleen eh Alistair
alastair wrote: » I'd try a little test of comprehension, if I were you. Did you actually read the article you linked to? I'm guessing not.
alastair wrote: » That's how it would be recorded in most states.
alastair wrote: » You do get that those are different people, yes? Where does this bizarre need to ascribe ill intent to people completely uninvolved with other's crimes start and finish with you? You realise that there are Irish people committing all sorts of crimes and it doesn't imply anything with regard to other Irish people? Same story with these 20 lads.
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