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Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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http://kotaku.com/nintendos-next-console-is-code-named-the-nintendo-nx-1691867268

"As proof that Nintendo maintains strong enthusiasm for the dedicated game system business", Iwata adds, "let me confirm that Nintendo is currently developing a dedicated game platform with a brand new concept under the development codename 'NX'."

And...that's it. Iwata says Nintendo will share more information about the new hardware "next year".

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Danonino.

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

I will when there is price for it

However I doubt they'll be charging me extra for a proper home console controller.

Simply highlighting that the console is very expensive for its offering and is selling loads of other items that should come with it already is not trolling.

The console isn't overly expensive for a launch console. Even the recent handhelds 3DS, PSP and Vita it's approx €70 more. For what's being sold as a hybrid it's not outrageous.

The extra controllers etc yes, they are on the pricey side, but realistically GameStop/Argos etc were charging 65-70 for additional Dual shock 4s and Xbox one controllers until recently. Actually still Argos have a gears of war 4 Xbox one controller for €82 quid.

In the box you actually technically get two controllers (joycon split) you get the ability to play multiplayer games out of the box. I can't think of any other console that gave that new on release. An extra joycon would equal 4 (technically again) controllers for 4 player bomberman. How much was any other launch console with 4 controllers.

Think people need to relax a bit. We all know the switch will have bundles/discounts after release. It's a new release console. It's never, ever cheap to be an early adopter.

sligeach

By The Way, The Joy-Con Grip Bundled With Nintendo Switch Won't Charge Your Joy-Cons
You'll need the "premium" version, of course

Just when you thought the cost of owning a Switch couldn't get any higher, allow us to bring to your attention the fact that the Joy-Con grip that ships with the console doesn't actually charge your Joy-Cons when they're attached - you'll need to invest in a more advanced grip, which costs £27.99 in the UK.

The grip which is bundled with the machine is simply a piece of plastic into which the two controllers slot. The premium model is made from a different plastic and has a USB port allowing you to charge the Joy-Cons. There are a set of lights on the underside which show how much charge they have left.

If you don't have the premium grip and want to charge your Joy-Cons "out of the box", you'll have to have them connected to the Switch itself while it's docked. This means that potentially when you first get your Switch console, playing on the TV won't be an option as you'll have to dock the Switch (with Joy-Cons attached) to charge them fully. On the positive side, each Joy-Con has a 20 hour battery life so you shouldn't need to top them up a lot. It takes around 3 hours to charge a Joy-Con fully, according to Nintendo's Japanese site.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/01/by_the_way_the_joy-con_grip_bundled_with_nintendo_switch_wont_charge_your_joy-cons

FAILSAFE 00

Star Lord wrote: »

Remind us how much the Scorpio will cost you?

It really seems that you're only here to troll, unlike others that seem to actually have something to contribute to the discussion, so cease immediately please.

I will when there is price for it

However I doubt they'll be charging me extra for a proper home console controller.

Simply highlighting that the console is very expensive for its offering and is selling loads of other items that should come with it already is not trolling.

wtlltw

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Mario 64 was the ultimate launch title though.

True, but I didn't really like it when I bought it first time round. I had got so use to 2D games over the years that it took me a while to get use to 3D games.

MilesMorales1

wtlltw wrote: »

I want a major announcement to be made at E3, but Nintendo are so unpredictable. That's the sad part about it.

I remember buying the N64 and looking at the release titles and realising that the there was more of a choice of different coloured controllers than games.

Mario 64 was the ultimate launch title though.

orubiru

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Okay, I just looked up prices on smyths. I am not getting it day one 100%.

330eu just console.
89eu 2 more small controllers.
40eu for that dock to make a proper controller.
65eu one game that I don't even really want.

So 500eu for proper setup for all 3 of us to play and with only 1 game. I am out.
I am actually looking in to getting wii u ( again) better and have all those couch multiplayer games for 3-4 players.

When monster hunter and fire emblem out i will look in to switch again.

Have you ever bought a console on day one? What did you get and how much did it cost?

Looking at PS3, XBOX 360, PS4 and XBOX One launches here and I'm feeling like the same could be said about all of those.

wtlltw

Danonino. wrote: »

I'm starting to think about E3 in the summer.

If I was Nintendo, and I'm not, but if I was, man.. if there ever was a time to drop a "oh yeah, pokemon, metroid and f-Zero are out for Christmas" that'd be it ha ha

I want a major announcement to be made at E3, but Nintendo are so unpredictable. That's the sad part about it.

I remember buying the N64 and looking at the release titles and realising that the there was more of a choice of different coloured controllers than games.

Star Lord

Grayditch wrote: »

Wait that thing that turns it into the controller for home use doesn't come with it?

It does come with the console, but it's just a holder for them. There's a separately available one that charges the joy cons too. I think ShadowHearth was referring to buying a separate one, as he'd be buying additional joy cons too.

MilesMorales1

Grayditch wrote: »

Wait that thing that turns it into the controller for home use doesn't come with it?

Yes it does. Those are the joy cons. It doesn't come with the pro controller.

Grayditch

Wait that thing that turns it into the controller for home use doesn't come with it?

orubiru

Danonino. wrote: »

I'm starting to think about E3 in the summer.

If I was Nintendo, and I'm not, but if I was, man.. if there ever was a time to drop a "oh yeah, pokemon, metroid and f-Zero are out for Christmas" that'd be it ha ha

Yeah, this is the most disappointing thing about the Switch announcement to me.

The tablet looks great. The dock is great and the ability to "switch" is brilliant". The joy-con controllers will be great IF they are actually comfortable to use.

The games are just so uninspiring, I have to say.

I am 90% convinced that Breath of the Wild will be 2017s game of the year.

ALL they really had to do was throw in a surprise launch title that was one of their big names. Give the people a quality racing game in F-Zero or a quality FPS in Metroid (or both) confirmed for release and then a larger roster of new games promised into 2018... Kirby, Star Fox, Smash Bros, Mario Kart.

Announce a proper Pokemon game coming soon based on the recent Sun & Moon title. Pokemon Star or something, I dunno.

Given the bad press around the Wii U they should have been going all out to show that there are loads of NEW games that video game fans can go crazy over that will only be available on Switch.

We already knew there would be a new Mario at some point and a bunch of just OK games that use the new controllers and functions. It's just not very exciting.

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe just seems like a massive disappointment to me. Couldn't they at least go for Double Dash - Remastered instead?

Mother 3 - Remastered. Super Mario All Stars HD. Paper Mario -The Thousand-Year Door remake. If you are just going to have old games on the new console then why not something like that? Why Mario Kart 8?

Even Skyrim is just "bleh". Imagine if it was Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion remastered instead? Or Morrowind - Extended Edition or something.

Star Lord

Remind us how much the Scorpio will cost you?

It really seems that you're only here to troll, unlike others that seem to actually have something to contribute to the discussion, so cease immediately please.

FAILSAFE 00

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Okay, I just looked up prices on smyths. I am not getting it day one 100%.

330eu just console.
89eu 2 more small controllers.
40eu for that dock to make a proper controller.
65eu one game that I don't even really want.

So 500eu for proper setup for all 3 of us to play and with only 1 game. I am out.
I am actually looking in to getting wii u ( again) better and have all those couch multiplayer games for 3-4 players.

When monster hunter and fire emblem out i will look in to switch again.

Hope ye all have deep pockets.

FAILSAFE 00

OwaynOTT wrote: »

But they have their own 60+million use base with WiiU and 3DS sales combined.

The Switch user base is 0.

Combined sales base of Wii U and 3DS will help however a new user base has to be created for Switch with each sale.

ShadowHearth

Okay, I just looked up prices on smyths. I am not getting it day one 100%.

330eu just console.
89eu 2 more small controllers.
40eu for that dock to make a proper controller.
65eu one game that I don't even really want.

So 500eu for proper setup for all 3 of us to play and with only 1 game. I am out.
I am actually looking in to getting wii u ( again) better and have all those couch multiplayer games for 3-4 players.

When monster hunter and fire emblem out i will look in to switch again.

MilesMorales1

Went into Gamestop and paid a bit more of it, they changed the thing on my receipt from 'Switch Hardware' to 'Switch Red/Blue Hardware' which is reassuring.

orubiru

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

What would it take for Nintendo to go third party? Surely there's tonnes of money in it for them to massively increase their consumer base without investing in r&d and console development.

Or even say they released one game as a third party developer that was advertised as a one time only thing. Imagine them releasing a mario game (Odyssey, 3D world, galaxy etc) cross platform, as a way of saying "this is what you're missing out on". That would drive sales of Nintendo consoles through the roof.

It's a pretty interesting question.

A recent Call of Duty game sells between 25 and 30 million units across all platforms.

Bloodborne sold 2 million copies. Uncharted 4 sold 9 million copies. A multi-platform game like Doom has sold 3 million copies. A lesser known (but still really awesome) game like Dishonored 2 does not seem to have sold too many copies at all.

Super Mario Galaxy sold approx 13 million worldwide. Mario Kart for Wii sold around 36 million. There were around 100 million Wii consoles sold though.

Mario Kart 8 Wii U sold 8 million. Smash Bros on Wii U sold 5 million. Mario 3D World sold around 5 million also. Looks like New Super Mario Bros U sold around 5 million. They only sold 13 million Wii U consoles though.

On top of that Nintendo probably makes quite a bit of money from other merchandising and they've just teamed up with Universal Studios theme parks to bring Super Nintendo Land to Orlando and Osaka.

I think the key would be in how many more copies of these games could Nintendo expect to sell if they went third party? How would that work out long term for the company overall?

So maybe loads of people would rush to buy Mario Kart 9 on PS4 but what about Mario Kart 10 or 11 or 12 when the novelty is wearing off or if they have a couple of bad releases.

So if you throw out the console sales entirely and go third party with the licensing fees etc coming in to play then how many more units of each game do they need to shift year after year for it to be worthwhile.

Then you have the handheld market to consider. They seem to have sold 60 million or so 3DS consoles.

I think it's better for Nintendo to have their own games that can only be played on Nintendo consoles. With the odd android or iphone app thrown in there once in a while to remind people that Nintendo still exists!

Looking at the Switch, I wonder if it's more realistic that they will move on to selling handheld consoles that have some kind of Gameboy Player contraption that allows you to play on the TV.

That's why the Switch marketing seems so weird to me. The main selling points are that it's portable and that it has Nintendo exclusive titles. It doesn't feel like a home console at all but more of a portable console that you can play on your TV if you want to.

Retr0gamer

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Retr0gamer wrote: »

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Going third party is a final resort for Nintendo and would mean taking a massive cut in potential profits which won't please shareholders or your employees who will inevitably get fired.

They would make more profits, no cuts at all.

Hardware is a profit killer unless you are at the top of the console market. Its such a tough task to build a console player base. Much easier to be selling the games to established console communities.

Its a real uphill battle. Sony have 60 million PS4 consoles out there and Nintendo could access that player base.

Of course hardware is a killer if it doesn't sell. It's a much bigger risk than software but the rewards are massive in comparison when things go right. Nintendo aren't just going to surrender massive potential profits considering the amount they've already invested in being able to create a platform especially when their financial situation isn't as bad as some armchair economists seem to think it is.

This isn't about the quick buck you'd make publishing third party games.

Anyway of all three current platform holders Nintendo are in the mist stable position. MS shareholders want rid of the Xbox division and there is all likelihood the brand won't continue on after the Obe and Sony are in a dire financial situation at the moment but worst comes to the worst they'll cut the game's division off into its own separate entity. Nintendo are sitting on significant reserves of cash and also have the fact that their only business is as a platform holder.

OwaynOTT

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

They would make more profits, no cuts at all.

Hardware is a profit killer unless you are at the top of the console market. Its such a tough task to build a console player base. Much easier to be selling the games to established console communities.

Its a real uphill battle. Sony have 60 million PS4 consoles out there and Nintendo could access that player base.

But they have their own 60+million use base with WiiU and 3DS sales combined.

FAILSAFE 00

Star Lord wrote: »

Not even they're not selling consoles at a loss, as the other companies do.

They might not sell them at a loss per unit but when a console releases its had significant financial investment. Usually 4-5 years of R & D.

Also game sales are limited to the sales of the console itself. Its easy to see where the losses are. Its not just a case of selling each unit for a profit.

There is a loss right out of the gates for every console manufacturer.

Star Lord

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Hardware is a profit killer unless you are at the top of the console market.

Not even they're not selling consoles at a loss, as the other companies do.

FAILSAFE 00

Retr0gamer wrote: »

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Going third party is a final resort for Nintendo and would mean taking a massive cut in potential profits which won't please shareholders or your employees who will inevitably get fired.

They would make more profits, no cuts at all.

Hardware is a profit killer unless you are at the top of the console market. Its such a tough task to build a console player base. Much easier to be selling the games to established console communities.

Its a real uphill battle. Sony have 60 million PS4 consoles out there and Nintendo could access that player base.

Danonino.

I'm starting to think about E3 in the summer.

If I was Nintendo, and I'm not, but if I was, man.. if there ever was a time to drop a "oh yeah, pokemon, metroid and f-Zero are out for Christmas" that'd be it ha ha

Atari Jaguar

super_furry wrote: »

Only one I've seen comes with the big fancy Zelda collector's edition in the US. It's missing from the collector's edition here.

I pre ordered one from GameStop in Wexford...

Danonino.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Not that big of a deal. With 20 hour battery life and they charge when attached to the docked unit and not in use I don't see this being that big of an issue unlike the PS4 and WiiU GAMEPAD which have such awful battery life they might as well be always plugged in.

Fixed

The Wii U pro controllers have the best battery life of any controller I've used. I'm talking 50+ hours mental kind of battery life. The gamepad and dual shock 4s, yes. Rubbish.

I bought the extended battery for the gamepad. Get around 7-8 hours easy but it added a bit of weight to the pad.

Dual shock 4s are horribly low life. They apparently upgraded the battery in the newer pad that started with the slim but I haven't used/bought one.

Retr0gamer

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

What would it take for Nintendo to go third party? Surely there's tonnes of money in it for them to massively increase their consumer base without investing in r&d and console development.

Or even say they released one game as a third party developer that was advertised as a one time only thing. Imagine them releasing a mario game (Odyssey, 3D world, galaxy etc) cross platform, as a way of saying "this is what you're missing out on". That would drive sales of Nintendo consoles through the roof.

Seems really simple but it isn't. Being in control of your own platform is potentially far more lucrative than being a third party publisher. As a platform holder, you have no licensing fees to pay to a platform holder for your own in house games. You get revenue from licensing fees from other developers as well as a portion of all sales on the platform. You also get potential profits from hardware sales.

There's other benefits as well, being the platform owner you get high coverage and also get to choose what adverts to put on you store.

Going third party is a final resort for Nintendo and would mean taking a massive cut in potential profits which won't please shareholders or your employees who will inevitably get fired.

Somedaythefire

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

What would it take for Nintendo to go third party? Surely there's tonnes of money in it for them to massively increase their consumer base without investing in r&d and console development.

Or even say they released one game as a third party developer that was advertised as a one time only thing. Imagine them releasing a mario game (Odyssey, 3D world, galaxy etc) cross platform, as a way of saying "this is what you're missing out on". That would drive sales of Nintendo consoles through the roof.

Or, people would stop buying Nintendo hardware because there is the possibility of their games all going third party.

GhostInTheRuins

What would it take for Nintendo to go third party? Surely there's tonnes of money in it for them to massively increase their consumer base without investing in r&d and console development.

Or even say they released one game as a third party developer that was advertised as a one time only thing. Imagine them releasing a mario game (Odyssey, 3D world, galaxy etc) cross platform, as a way of saying "this is what you're missing out on". That would drive sales of Nintendo consoles through the roof.

Retr0gamer

Andrew76 wrote: »

Also, if you want to charge those joy-cons while they are not attached to the Switch, then you'll need the Charging Grip, http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-01-16-nintendo-switchs-basic-joy-con-grip-doesnt-charge-controllers. The grip that comes with the unit won't charge them. Not sure if that's much of an issue though.

Not that big of a deal. With 20 hour battery life and they charge when attached to the docked unit and not in use I don't see this being that big of an issue unlike the PS4 and WiiU controllers which have such awful battery life they might as well be always plugged in.

ThisRegard

dunworth1 wrote: »

is there any case for it?

I don't think so, especially if you already have a Wii U.