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Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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http://kotaku.com/nintendos-next-console-is-code-named-the-nintendo-nx-1691867268

"As proof that Nintendo maintains strong enthusiasm for the dedicated game system business", Iwata adds, "let me confirm that Nintendo is currently developing a dedicated game platform with a brand new concept under the development codename 'NX'."

And...that's it. Iwata says Nintendo will share more information about the new hardware "next year".

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wtlltw

Dear Nintendo

Please release a new Advance Wars.

Thank you.

I do like the concept and I hope Nintendo can get their crap together to make it a success it deserves to be. While I wouldn't really use it as a mobile device, I can see it being handy if and when I needed to go away on a long trip.

As for 3rd parties they will only support it if there's enough interest. The sad part is most of them won't push it to the limit and will just use a port of PS3 game.

wexdevil

Rang the gamestop where i did the click and collect(Wexford) he could see the €5 preorder on the system just fine and told me as long as I pay it off up to the €50 mark like a week before launch its all good.

Somedaythefire

wexdevil wrote: »

Rang the gamestop where i did the click and collect(Wexford) he could see the €5 preorder on the system just fine and told me as long as I pay it off up to the €50 mark like a week before launch its all good.

Good to know, I just got a confirmation email from them 3 days later lol.

McLoughlin

wexdevil wrote: »

Rang the gamestop where i did the click and collect(Wexford) he could see the €5 preorder on the system just fine and told me as long as I pay it off up to the €50 mark like a week before launch its all good.

I've click and collect with Wexford aswell I'll pop in during week to check my order.

[Deleted User]

wexdevil wrote: »

Rang the gamestop where i did the click and collect(Wexford) he could see the €5 preorder on the system just fine and told me as long as I pay it off up to the €50 mark like a week before launch its all good.

I don't know what the guy was telling me then yesterday saying the pre order won't show up on the system till release.

I'm not too bothered anyway because I'm nearly 100% sure I won't buy it at launch but get on to them if you did the E5 pre order online

wexdevil

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know what the guy was telling me then yesterday saying the pre order won't show up on the system till release.

I'm not too bothered anyway because I'm nearly 100% sure I won't buy it at launch but get on to them if you did the E5 pre order online

Gamestop being gamestop I suppose but yeah if you have the €5 preorder definitely get onto them.

Danonino.

super_furry wrote: »

Any indication how easy or hard it will be to replace the battery? The USB port makes mobile battery charges the main option when travelling but I always found it nice to carry a second battery for my PSP back in the day.

Being USB C is the best news. I never thought much of USB C or cared until I got a nexus 5x. The speed of charging is a game changer.. It's far and away one of the best things about the phone and will make the short battery life of the switch a non issue imo.

nairy hipples

wexdevil wrote: »

Gamestop being gamestop I suppose but yeah if you have the €5 preorder definitely get onto them.

I emailed customer support about my €5 online pre-order. They said it went through and that I definitely had a system for collection in Dundrum. No mention of having to increase my deposit to €50 at all

Somedaythefire

Danonino. wrote: »

Being USB C is the best news. I never thought much of USB C or cared until I got a nexus 5x. The speed of charging is a game changer.. It's far and away one of the best things about the phone and will make the short battery life of the switch a non issue imo.

Faster charging has to be implemented by Nintendo. Though they would be mad not to. I had the OnePlus 2 with USB-C and it was the slowest charging this ever,

dunworth1

is there any case for it?

super_furry

dunworth1 wrote: »

is there any case for it?

Only one I've seen comes with the big fancy Zelda collector's edition in the US. It's missing from the collector's edition here.

Andrew76

Think someone posted a 3rd party one also (no doubt there'll be plenty of those kind) but I'd imagine Nintendo will release their own version you can buy seperate.

Not sure if it's been posted already, here's a list of the official accessories as of now: http://www.polygon.com/nintendo-switch/2017/1/13/14261292/nintendo-switch-controller-ac-adapter-price-wheel.

Also, if you want to charge those joy-cons while they are not attached to the Switch, then you'll need the Charging Grip, http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-01-16-nintendo-switchs-basic-joy-con-grip-doesnt-charge-controllers. The grip that comes with the unit won't charge them. Not sure if that's much of an issue though.

MilesMorales1

dunworth1 wrote: »

is there any case for it?

http://store.nintendo.co.uk/nintendo-switch-accessory/nintendo-switch-accessory-set/11396100.html

ThisRegard

dunworth1 wrote: »

is there any case for it?

I don't think so, especially if you already have a Wii U.

Retr0gamer

Andrew76 wrote: »

Also, if you want to charge those joy-cons while they are not attached to the Switch, then you'll need the Charging Grip, http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-01-16-nintendo-switchs-basic-joy-con-grip-doesnt-charge-controllers. The grip that comes with the unit won't charge them. Not sure if that's much of an issue though.

Not that big of a deal. With 20 hour battery life and they charge when attached to the docked unit and not in use I don't see this being that big of an issue unlike the PS4 and WiiU controllers which have such awful battery life they might as well be always plugged in.

GhostInTheRuins

What would it take for Nintendo to go third party? Surely there's tonnes of money in it for them to massively increase their consumer base without investing in r&d and console development.

Or even say they released one game as a third party developer that was advertised as a one time only thing. Imagine them releasing a mario game (Odyssey, 3D world, galaxy etc) cross platform, as a way of saying "this is what you're missing out on". That would drive sales of Nintendo consoles through the roof.

Somedaythefire

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

What would it take for Nintendo to go third party? Surely there's tonnes of money in it for them to massively increase their consumer base without investing in r&d and console development.

Or even say they released one game as a third party developer that was advertised as a one time only thing. Imagine them releasing a mario game (Odyssey, 3D world, galaxy etc) cross platform, as a way of saying "this is what you're missing out on". That would drive sales of Nintendo consoles through the roof.

Or, people would stop buying Nintendo hardware because there is the possibility of their games all going third party.

Retr0gamer

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

What would it take for Nintendo to go third party? Surely there's tonnes of money in it for them to massively increase their consumer base without investing in r&d and console development.

Or even say they released one game as a third party developer that was advertised as a one time only thing. Imagine them releasing a mario game (Odyssey, 3D world, galaxy etc) cross platform, as a way of saying "this is what you're missing out on". That would drive sales of Nintendo consoles through the roof.

Seems really simple but it isn't. Being in control of your own platform is potentially far more lucrative than being a third party publisher. As a platform holder, you have no licensing fees to pay to a platform holder for your own in house games. You get revenue from licensing fees from other developers as well as a portion of all sales on the platform. You also get potential profits from hardware sales.

There's other benefits as well, being the platform owner you get high coverage and also get to choose what adverts to put on you store.

Going third party is a final resort for Nintendo and would mean taking a massive cut in potential profits which won't please shareholders or your employees who will inevitably get fired.

Danonino.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Not that big of a deal. With 20 hour battery life and they charge when attached to the docked unit and not in use I don't see this being that big of an issue unlike the PS4 and WiiU GAMEPAD which have such awful battery life they might as well be always plugged in.

Fixed

The Wii U pro controllers have the best battery life of any controller I've used. I'm talking 50+ hours mental kind of battery life. The gamepad and dual shock 4s, yes. Rubbish.

I bought the extended battery for the gamepad. Get around 7-8 hours easy but it added a bit of weight to the pad.

Dual shock 4s are horribly low life. They apparently upgraded the battery in the newer pad that started with the slim but I haven't used/bought one.

Atari Jaguar

super_furry wrote: »

Only one I've seen comes with the big fancy Zelda collector's edition in the US. It's missing from the collector's edition here.

I pre ordered one from GameStop in Wexford...

Danonino.

I'm starting to think about E3 in the summer.

If I was Nintendo, and I'm not, but if I was, man.. if there ever was a time to drop a "oh yeah, pokemon, metroid and f-Zero are out for Christmas" that'd be it ha ha

FAILSAFE 00

Retr0gamer wrote: »

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Going third party is a final resort for Nintendo and would mean taking a massive cut in potential profits which won't please shareholders or your employees who will inevitably get fired.

They would make more profits, no cuts at all.

Hardware is a profit killer unless you are at the top of the console market. Its such a tough task to build a console player base. Much easier to be selling the games to established console communities.

Its a real uphill battle. Sony have 60 million PS4 consoles out there and Nintendo could access that player base.

Star Lord

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Hardware is a profit killer unless you are at the top of the console market.

Not even they're not selling consoles at a loss, as the other companies do.

FAILSAFE 00

Star Lord wrote: »

Not even they're not selling consoles at a loss, as the other companies do.

They might not sell them at a loss per unit but when a console releases its had significant financial investment. Usually 4-5 years of R & D.

Also game sales are limited to the sales of the console itself. Its easy to see where the losses are. Its not just a case of selling each unit for a profit.

There is a loss right out of the gates for every console manufacturer.

OwaynOTT

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

They would make more profits, no cuts at all.

Hardware is a profit killer unless you are at the top of the console market. Its such a tough task to build a console player base. Much easier to be selling the games to established console communities.

Its a real uphill battle. Sony have 60 million PS4 consoles out there and Nintendo could access that player base.

But they have their own 60+million use base with WiiU and 3DS sales combined.

Retr0gamer

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Retr0gamer wrote: »

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Going third party is a final resort for Nintendo and would mean taking a massive cut in potential profits which won't please shareholders or your employees who will inevitably get fired.

They would make more profits, no cuts at all.

Hardware is a profit killer unless you are at the top of the console market. Its such a tough task to build a console player base. Much easier to be selling the games to established console communities.

Its a real uphill battle. Sony have 60 million PS4 consoles out there and Nintendo could access that player base.

Of course hardware is a killer if it doesn't sell. It's a much bigger risk than software but the rewards are massive in comparison when things go right. Nintendo aren't just going to surrender massive potential profits considering the amount they've already invested in being able to create a platform especially when their financial situation isn't as bad as some armchair economists seem to think it is.

This isn't about the quick buck you'd make publishing third party games.

Anyway of all three current platform holders Nintendo are in the mist stable position. MS shareholders want rid of the Xbox division and there is all likelihood the brand won't continue on after the Obe and Sony are in a dire financial situation at the moment but worst comes to the worst they'll cut the game's division off into its own separate entity. Nintendo are sitting on significant reserves of cash and also have the fact that their only business is as a platform holder.

orubiru

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

What would it take for Nintendo to go third party? Surely there's tonnes of money in it for them to massively increase their consumer base without investing in r&d and console development.

Or even say they released one game as a third party developer that was advertised as a one time only thing. Imagine them releasing a mario game (Odyssey, 3D world, galaxy etc) cross platform, as a way of saying "this is what you're missing out on". That would drive sales of Nintendo consoles through the roof.

It's a pretty interesting question.

A recent Call of Duty game sells between 25 and 30 million units across all platforms.

Bloodborne sold 2 million copies. Uncharted 4 sold 9 million copies. A multi-platform game like Doom has sold 3 million copies. A lesser known (but still really awesome) game like Dishonored 2 does not seem to have sold too many copies at all.

Super Mario Galaxy sold approx 13 million worldwide. Mario Kart for Wii sold around 36 million. There were around 100 million Wii consoles sold though.

Mario Kart 8 Wii U sold 8 million. Smash Bros on Wii U sold 5 million. Mario 3D World sold around 5 million also. Looks like New Super Mario Bros U sold around 5 million. They only sold 13 million Wii U consoles though.

On top of that Nintendo probably makes quite a bit of money from other merchandising and they've just teamed up with Universal Studios theme parks to bring Super Nintendo Land to Orlando and Osaka.

I think the key would be in how many more copies of these games could Nintendo expect to sell if they went third party? How would that work out long term for the company overall?

So maybe loads of people would rush to buy Mario Kart 9 on PS4 but what about Mario Kart 10 or 11 or 12 when the novelty is wearing off or if they have a couple of bad releases.

So if you throw out the console sales entirely and go third party with the licensing fees etc coming in to play then how many more units of each game do they need to shift year after year for it to be worthwhile.

Then you have the handheld market to consider. They seem to have sold 60 million or so 3DS consoles.

I think it's better for Nintendo to have their own games that can only be played on Nintendo consoles. With the odd android or iphone app thrown in there once in a while to remind people that Nintendo still exists!

Looking at the Switch, I wonder if it's more realistic that they will move on to selling handheld consoles that have some kind of Gameboy Player contraption that allows you to play on the TV.

That's why the Switch marketing seems so weird to me. The main selling points are that it's portable and that it has Nintendo exclusive titles. It doesn't feel like a home console at all but more of a portable console that you can play on your TV if you want to.

MilesMorales1

Went into Gamestop and paid a bit more of it, they changed the thing on my receipt from 'Switch Hardware' to 'Switch Red/Blue Hardware' which is reassuring.

ShadowHearth

Okay, I just looked up prices on smyths. I am not getting it day one 100%.

330eu just console.
89eu 2 more small controllers.
40eu for that dock to make a proper controller.
65eu one game that I don't even really want.

So 500eu for proper setup for all 3 of us to play and with only 1 game. I am out.
I am actually looking in to getting wii u ( again) better and have all those couch multiplayer games for 3-4 players.

When monster hunter and fire emblem out i will look in to switch again.

FAILSAFE 00

OwaynOTT wrote: »

But they have their own 60+million use base with WiiU and 3DS sales combined.

The Switch user base is 0.

Combined sales base of Wii U and 3DS will help however a new user base has to be created for Switch with each sale.