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Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

Tipsy McSwagger

http://kotaku.com/nintendos-next-console-is-code-named-the-nintendo-nx-1691867268

"As proof that Nintendo maintains strong enthusiasm for the dedicated game system business", Iwata adds, "let me confirm that Nintendo is currently developing a dedicated game platform with a brand new concept under the development codename 'NX'."

And...that's it. Iwata says Nintendo will share more information about the new hardware "next year".

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Atari Jaguar

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Go to sleep or there will be no such thing as Switchmas and Switchman will bring you a PS4 with two move sticks on March 3rd.

YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD

RobbingBandit

Go to sleep or there will be no such thing as Switchmas and Switchman will bring you a PS4 with two move sticks on March 3rd.

Atari Jaguar

This thread has everything... people who think they they know business, price moaning, moaning about not enough day one games and journalist bashing. My Lord it's an all in one thread.

Retr0gamer

Benzino wrote: »

Where is this article? The only one I can see from USGamer is this one, which has literally no sources in it and is basically just the journalist opinion, and therefore is just as valid as the other journalists you mention.

It wasn't an article. They were saying the same thing as other journalists in an article and a contributor corrected them about it in the comments. They looked into it and it was discussed on one of the podcasts.

Edit: can't find where it is and Agdq super metroid run is about to start but here's two less hyperbolic takes on it

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/11/soapbox_nintendo_the_nes_mini_and_ongoing_stock_problems

Tom whitehead being a bit more level headed.

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Nintendo-keeps-paying-despite-less-playing?page=2

Piece from an actual financial journalist specialising in the Japanese company.

Nollog

Star Lord wrote: »

I think the X2 would have had a higher power draw, which would require more powerful cooling and drain battery more, so it's a balancing act, with a custom X chip.

The tegra P1's main differential from the x1 is actually the lower power draw and lower heat generation. Everything else is very similar between the two tegra chips.

Danonino.

BrianG23 wrote: »

Agh I dunno, IF anyone ever contends the handheld space sure Ninty can back up and fully enter home consoles...but...they really do dominate handheld market, not something you should risk imo. Not until its necessary. Like take a look at pokemon and mario games etc, they're development costs are low compared to console games but they sell like hotcakes. Why risk that for a console market when its not needed? It'd be great for us i'm sure the ultimate pokemon game will come at some point in the future but for ninty its just unnecessary right now.

Sure ninty have to watch out for smartphones and all but...its terms of quality there is no real comparion between Ipads and a 3ds etc.

It's Nintendo's diving into the smartphone world which has me thinking this is their plan.

Phase out the 3DS, Murder the Wii U.
Release games for iOS/android like Mario run/Pokémon go. Release the Switch as the all in one Nintendo console. Shift development to these two markets.

You are right though. They have no reason to ruin a good thing. Maybe they feel without a home console they can't have a platform for games like Breath of the Wild. I dunno. Exciting times though.

Development costs for consoles can be worked around. Look at Windwaker HD for the Wii U. It's glorious looking but because of it's art direction. Pokémon on Switch I imagine being similar, a cell shaded glorious upscale of what we know, my worst nightmare is realistic Pokémon in Unreal 4 ha ha

BrianG23

Agh I dunno, IF anyone ever contends the handheld space sure Ninty can back up and fully enter home consoles...but...they really do dominate handheld market, not something you should risk imo. Not until its necessary. Like take a look at pokemon and mario games etc, they're development costs are low compared to console games but they sell like hotcakes. Why risk that for a console market when its not needed? It'd be great for us i'm sure the ultimate pokemon game will come at some point in the future but for ninty its just unnecessary right now.

Sure ninty have to watch out for smartphones and all but...its terms of quality there is no real comparion between Ipads and a 3ds etc.

Danonino.

BrianG23 wrote: »

I think they will never want their mainline pokemon series on the home consoles. Its pretty much a selling point for their handhelds. They could disrupt their own system. Only spin offs i'd guess. Like pokemon 64 and snap and other random ones.

This is where I'm hoping and praying that they wake up and do the right thing. Make the Switch their one and only focus and see how it becomes a phenomenon.

If their plan is to combine both markets and pretty much dominate it as they have done but with more powerful hardware and a bigger install base with the main selling point being "hey, you can very simply dock this and play in higher Res on your TV when not out and about" then I see the switch being an amazing platform and a huge seller. Otherwise who knows.

People who like Nintendo exclusives will buy it anyway, that market is cornered because obviously if you want to play the newest Nintendo games, you need the newest hardware.

The PS4/XBO choice really is down to what exclusives you rather and which console your friends list is on, that choice has already been made by pretty much anyone who is going to make it. Nintendo most definitely are not looking to compete with the home consoles like PS4pro and Scorpio, they are more competing with whether little Jimmy gets an iPad mini for Christmas or a Switch

I don't think Nintendo plan on taking part in a console war it can't win and a handheld market now blurred with tablets and smartphones. I think they are smart enough to carve out their own spot and thrive in it.

rob808

I think I might cancel my preorder and pick it up when Mario bundle with the switch .There Notting really at launch other than zelda but can wait for that game might be cheaper come Autumn.

Benzino

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I don't know but I'm taking the word of the person that looked into it, saw that previous Nintendo shortages where due to the same reason and from sources inside Nintendo America. It also fits the profile of other companies that had product shortages with the same supply set up as Nintendo.

Where is this article? The only one I can see from USGamer is this one, which has literally no sources in it and is basically just the journalist opinion, and therefore is just as valid as the other journalists you mention.

Retr0gamer

Benzino wrote: »

How can you know?

I don't know but I'm taking the word of the person that looked into it, saw that previous Nintendo shortages where due to the same reason and from sources inside Nintendo America. It also fits the profile of other companies that had product shortages with the same supply set up as Nintendo.

Benzino

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Probably, but it's not planned.

How can you know?

Retr0gamer

Benzino wrote: »

This is gas, it's not Nintendo's fault that they fail to meet demand, but journalists fault for pointing it out?

I never said it was the journalists fault for pointing it out. It's journalists thinking that there's some simple fix for these supply issues and not taking into account the multiple factors that lead to it. Nintendo isn't withholding stock to make artificial supply issues, they are playing it safe with the market and every so often it leads to supply issues. There's a number of economic factors that are the cause but so called journalists just think it's as simple as make more product. It's never that simple. Does the supply issue sometimes benefit Nitendo? Probably, but it's not planned. The lack of warehouse space just means that if it's not a sure thing, especially with hardware Nintendo has to be extra careful especially after they got burned really badly after the WiiU launch over this.

And if you think what I'm saying is nonsense well some USgamer contributors actually looked into this and did some journalism and that that's where the information is coming from.

Benzino wrote: »

Eh, when was the last time you couldn't get an EA or Ubisoft game?

True but on the flip side most Ubisoft and EA games have about a month where they sell at full price. After that the price bottoms out (I paid 7 euro for mass effect 2 less than 5 months after release) as they try to unload stock from the warehouse space they are renting.

Ever notice that Nintendo games have very long shelf lives and don't drop in price? (outside of massive flops like Metroid Other M). Nintendo are just playing the same game differently and it ends up being far more profitable for them in the long term.

Benzino

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Because Microsoft are a massive multinational and can afford it and have a business big enough where the cost outweighs the benefit. Same with Sony who don't just do videogames. For Nintendo whose sole business is videogames it makes absolutely no financial sense to do so. EA and Ubisoft are the same, as are other videogame publishers.

People thinking this is a result of moronic so called journalists running their mouths off thinking that they have the answers for everything. However business is never that simple and if they did some actual journalism they would understand this. It's not a simple case of Nintendo withholding stock. If they don't have guaranteed sales they have to do so or end up paying through the teeth for rental space on unsold stock.

This is gas, it's not Nintendo's fault that they fail to meet demand, but journalists fault for pointing it out?

Afraid to have too much supply? Then take pre-orders earlier (or in the case of the mini-nes, take pre-orders at any point!). Under supplying is a very valid marketing strategy that is proven to work at times. And it's happened way to often with Nintendo for it to still be considered an innocent miscalculation of demand. People have valid reasons and are right to be questioning it.

Eh, when was the last time you couldn't get an EA or Ubisoft game?

BrianG23

I think they will never want their mainline pokemon series on the home consoles. Its pretty much a selling point for their handhelds. They could disrupt their own system. Only spin offs i'd guess. Like pokemon 64 and snap and other random ones.

[Deleted User]

No Pokémon game so far is a bit crazy I think, with the success of Pokémon Go I thought it was a no brainer...

I haven't much love for the series as it kind of passed me by but I would have thought Pokémon, ports of Smash and Mario Maker would have kept a few of us who didn't buy Wii U's ticking over....

Not sure I can pay full whack for Switch for Zelda or just get a Wii U, or just wait it all out until Xmas and get Mario and Zelda, I've plenty to play backlog wise...

BrianG23

Bawls, that woulda been nice for us that missed the Wii U.

If the switch just happens to flop, nintendo should make a console that plays games from Wii U and switch and sell them digitally. All those who didn't buy those systems would have alot to catch up on.

MilesMorales1

Pokemon Stars is supposed to be out by the end of the year, but the pokemon team generally has their own directs to reveal stuff.

Retr0gamer

BrianG23 wrote: »

If they put some of their handheld titles or series on it, that'd be a sight. Nintendo dominate handhelds at least.

Is switch backwards compatible with Wii U too actually?

No, totally different chipset. It's more than powerful enough to run WiiU games but it would be a lot more labour intensive than say porting from PC to PS4 and One.

BrianG23

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The 3DS recovered from a similar bad launch window. If the Switch can take over that market it could do the same.

Still it's impossible to call. I was expecting Pokémon sun and moon 2 at this event to cement that. Pokémon is riding on a wave of popularity and would have been a shoe in and also satiate the people looking for a home Pokémon. I kind of think the system needs that early 2018.

If they put some of their handheld titles or series on it, that'd be a sight. Nintendo dominate handhelds at least.

Is switch backwards compatible with Wii U too actually?

Retr0gamer

Venom wrote: »

True but its only really Zelda and Mario at this point and Marios a fair bit down the road. Splitoon 2 is more like added DLC to the original and Skyrim is well past its sell by date at this point. **** 1-2 switch, its a tech demo not a full game.

The 3DS recovered from a similar bad launch window. If the Switch can take over that market it could do the same.

Still it's impossible to call. I was expecting Pokémon sun and moon 2 at this event to cement that. Pokémon is riding on a wave of popularity and would have been a shoe in and also satiate the people looking for a home Pokémon. I kind of think the system needs that early 2018.

Venom

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Many of the best consoles ever made launched with less.

Even more launched with nothing worth playing.

In comparison to consoles with 4 years back catalogue it's lacking. Compared to most console launches it's pretty good considering how good Zelda promises to be.

True but its only really Zelda and Mario at this point and Marios a fair bit down the road. Splitoon 2 is more like added DLC to the original and Skyrim is well past its sell by date at this point. **** 1-2 switch, its a tech demo not a full game.

Retr0gamer

Venom wrote: »

Hopefully that will change but only 5 titles at launch is a joke as is the overall pricing.

Many of the best consoles ever made launched with less.

Even more launched with nothing worth playing.

In comparison to consoles with 4 years back catalogue it's lacking. Compared to most console launches it's pretty good considering how good Zelda promises to be.

CastorTroy

Think the biggest issue right now is the games cases are going to totally mess up my bookcases when they don't fit properly alongside the other console games.

BrianG23

CastorTroy wrote: »

And stick to Playstation and you miss out on great games like Splatoon, Mario games, Zelda games, Donkey Kong games, etc.

I have a Ps3 and PS4 as well as Nintendo consoles. I go with whichever console has games I want to play.

That etc lasts for about 5 more though. Xenogames and co, fire emblem..dragon quest, smash bros... Thats closing in on...thats it almost? <
That is when third party is important.

And sure, thats a nice array of games as I said earlier, some of them are really amazing. In particular i'm a smash bros fan, zelda and mario. But it just doesn't compare to the amount you can get on a PS.

SK1979

I have to say I agree with the general sentiment that the reveal was disappointing.

Personally while the pricing didn't look great or the launch line up too sexy the stuff that worries me the most is the other games coming and the online plans.

Particularly the games to come. I fully expected an avalanche of teasers for games that will come and not just in the next year. I mean if this is to essentially replace both handheld and home consoles surely every internal 1st and 2nd party developer should be working on new software? Surely that should manifest as 10-15 games? Where's metroid?? It's a mistep.

Anyway I hope that Nintendo actually try to address some of the concerns before launch else I will be worried.

Retr0gamer

BrianG23 wrote: »

Uncharted doesn't interest anyone? The last of us? RPGs in general? Those heavy rain games? Racing games? GTA(unless you're on PC)...Gran turismo anyone? Best racing game experience I ever had was GT5 with a racing wheel. Red dead redemption no?

Uncharted is alright. Last of Us, that's a good one. David Cage games? Utter ****. RPGs? Outside of Persona 5 they are on PC. Racing games? Not for me.

BrianG23 wrote: »

Playstation does have alot more exclusives than Nintendo and you're living in a dream world

Not if you count the games that are already on PC. Well exclusives worth playing.

BrianG23 wrote: »

I could go on and on and on. I'm not gonna pretend I care about reviews or GOTY awards...but if you've stuck to a nintendo system you've missed out on some of the greatest games. If you've stuck to a PC you've missed out too.

Conversely if you don't have a PC or Nintendo system you are missing out on some of the best games ever made.

Basically if you can afford it and actually like videogames you'd have the PC and Nintendo console and probably a PS4 as well.

sligeach

SWITCH - SMALL DETAILS ON CARTRIDGES, STORAGE SPACE, & POTENTIAL FOR EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE SUPPORT

- Switch cartridges are not rewritable
- supports up to 2 TB of additional storage via high capacity SD cards (microSDXC),
- can support external hard disk drives via the USB 2.0 ports, but Nintendo hasn't activated this feature yet
- Nintendo is considering whether or not to activate the feature, since it goes against the portable nature of the system

http://gonintendo.com/stories/271907-switch-small-details-on-cartridges-storage-space-potential

Venom

BrianG23 wrote: »

Pretty crazy seeing some comments here...

Uncharted doesn't interest anyone? The last of us? RPGs in general? Those heavy rain games? Racing games? GTA(unless you're on PC)...Gran turismo anyone? Best racing game experience I ever had was GT5 with a racing wheel. Red dead redemption no?

I could go on and on and on. I'm not gonna pretend I care about reviews or GOTY awards...but if you've stuck to a nintendo system you've missed out on some of the greatest games. If you've stuck to a PC you've missed out too.

If you can afford a good PC thats great. Throw in a nintendo sure, you're hitting alot of those 3rd parties. But thats quite expensive when you can get all of the third parties on a playstation along with...an **** load of diverse exclusives. Heck even the little ones like Journey were great. Not even going to get into the Ps3 cause if you missed that then you REALLY missed out. http://www.thetoptens.com/best-ps3-only-games/

Heres some ps4 games coming out this year http://www.cheatsheet.com/technology/5-upcoming-exclusive-games-for-playstation-4.html/?a=viewall

Ignoring their existence doesn't make it true.

Try an justify it all you want. Playstation does have alot more exclusives than Nintendo and you're living in a dream world if you can't see that, year after year there is gonna be multiple games from every genre that aren't on a PC or nintendo. Xbox used to but for some reason ditched that.

Then theres alot of 3rd parties that don't make it to PC.

This is coming from a get everything gamer. If I can get a game on PC I will because it runs smoother and I like Mouse/Keyboard more than controller for almost everything. Not to mention strategy games are non existent on consoles. But thats that, there would be loads of games I would have missed, from Valkyria chronicles, heck you all mention bloodbourne and that but that series started out on Ps3 as Demons souls. Dark souls only exists because of demons souls so does bloodbourne.

I mean jeez, argubly the best superhero game i've played is infamous 2, and now those devs are making a spiderman game...

This console cycle I agree picking a PS4 to match with a PC is the only way to go. The switch while cool lacks enough wow factor titles just like the Xbone. Hopefully that will change but only 5 titles at launch is a joke as is the overall pricing.

CastorTroy

And stick to Playstation and you miss out on great games like Splatoon, Mario games, Zelda games, Donkey Kong games, etc.

I have a Ps3 and PS4 as well as Nintendo consoles. I go with whichever console has games I want to play.