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Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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http://kotaku.com/nintendos-next-console-is-code-named-the-nintendo-nx-1691867268

"As proof that Nintendo maintains strong enthusiasm for the dedicated game system business", Iwata adds, "let me confirm that Nintendo is currently developing a dedicated game platform with a brand new concept under the development codename 'NX'."

And...that's it. Iwata says Nintendo will share more information about the new hardware "next year".

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MilesMorales1

I'm going with

330 for the console, I've paid Gamestop 140 now, I asked about my pre order since the receipt just says 'Switch Hardware' but I don't think they had a clue what I was talking about.
60 for Zelda.
20 for a case.
20 for a couple of VC games.

= 430.

mdwexford

orubiru wrote: »

A lot of posts saying things like "the PS4 has had some nice exclusives" or comparing the cost of the Switch to the cost of the PS4 but for me that's not REALLY comparing like for like.

Why would the average person care about market share or investment or units sold.

All I care about is playing enjoyable games. So it's entirely reasonable to compare one games console to another games console to see which will provide more entertainment and value for money.

orubiru

super_furry wrote: »

Doomed or not, if the Switch doesn't perform better than the Wii U did, I'd be pretty confident it'd be the last Nintendo console we ever see. They've gone all in on bringing their mobile and console platforms together with this and over the lifetime of the Switch, I'd think that they really need it to at least match what the 3DS did sales wise.

I honestly expect it to perform similarly to the Wii U. From comments on Facebook etc it seems like a lot of people are not clear on whether it is a home console or a handheld and I would guess that, from a parents perspective, people are a bit miffed that their kids will be demanding another 300+ euro console.

Is it here to replace the 3DS? Or is it something you can own alongside a 3DS? I don't really need 2 handhelds.

I expect we will see some great games but overall it seems like a bit of a pointless exercise.

It's clearly not going to compete with PS4 and so I think you could assume between 15 and 30 million units sold over the next 4 years.

Maybe we will see them release a new "Gameboy" branded handheld in 2022 or something.

The Switch just feels like a niche product for a niche market.

Osmosis Jones

The way I see it it's 360 quid if you want to play anything on it, considering there's currently no bundle announced. 430 if you want a "pro controller" which is really just a standard controller.

Benzino

orubiru wrote: »

Clearly 80 million is better than 13 million here but what I am asking is are Nintendo really even trying to challenge Sony or Microsoft in terms of units sold?

How much did Nintendo invest in the WiiU compared to how much profit they made? This would surely be the key factor rather than comparing to the number of PS4s sold.

A lot of posts saying things like "the PS4 has had some nice exclusives" or comparing the cost of the Switch to the cost of the PS4 but for me that's not REALLY comparing like for like.

Just as there is a difference between AAA games trying to be as generic and trendy as possible and indie games being targeted towards more specific audiences, I'd say there is a difference between how Playstation approaches the market compared to how Nintendo approaches it.

Playstation and Xbox hold more of the market share and that is never likely to change. PS4 particularly seems wildly successful. Nintendo Switch will not change that.

So what does "doomed" mean? "Not selling as many units as Playstation"?

How many WiiU did Nintendo expect to sell versus how many they actual sold?

How many Nintendo Switch units do they expect to sell?

Software sales are more important I think than hardware sales, I think this is where Nintendo generally fall down (could be wrong). Their first party games do really well, but third party games struggle.

johnpatrick81

orubiru, are you honestly trying to argue that Nintendo see the WiiU as anything other than a complete commercial flop?

They gave up on it before the release of one of its most eagerly awaited games. That fact alone confirms hey acknowledged it's failure.

Benzino

Danonino. wrote: »

The PS4 and One are 3 years old, had time to get an install base and so price drops and revised models etc. They are home consoles like the Wii U, so if we look at the normal price NEW for a home console right now (never kind launch prices) is around €300.

If the switch was launching alongside the PS4 and Xbox One, it'd be grand price wise (and launch title wise). But it's not, and so for the same price as it you can get another more powerful console with a game or 2 and have a much bigger catelog of games available to you.

The switch of course has it's advantages, but it seems people don't think they warrant the cost.

The accessories seem way overpriced, and that's taking into account accessories for most consoles are over priced to begin with.

I'm thinking of picking it up in 2018, though I expect big announcements from MS at E3 so see how that goes.

Danonino.

The Last Guardian was the most fantastic and inspiring game with the worst controls I ever played.

orubiru

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Doomed to the failed sales of WiiU. I get you are a fanboy as you yourself point out, but take off the blinkers for a second.

Now which number is better, 80million or 13million?

If you think the WiiU was a success you haven't a clue about business and surprise surprise Nintendo are a business.

I love my Wii U and I have gotten heaps of games on it.

However for Nintendo to stay in the hardware market which we all want, we need them to make this a success. It's not a good start.

Clearly 80 million is better than 13 million here but what I am asking is are Nintendo really even trying to challenge Sony or Microsoft in terms of units sold?

How much did Nintendo invest in the WiiU compared to how much profit they made? This would surely be the key factor rather than comparing to the number of PS4s sold.

A lot of posts saying things like "the PS4 has had some nice exclusives" or comparing the cost of the Switch to the cost of the PS4 but for me that's not REALLY comparing like for like.

Just as there is a difference between AAA games trying to be as generic and trendy as possible and indie games being targeted towards more specific audiences, I'd say there is a difference between how Playstation approaches the market compared to how Nintendo approaches it.

Playstation and Xbox hold more of the market share and that is never likely to change. PS4 particularly seems wildly successful. Nintendo Switch will not change that.

So what does "doomed" mean? "Not selling as many units as Playstation"?

How many WiiU did Nintendo expect to sell versus how many they actual sold?

How many Nintendo Switch units do they expect to sell?

earthwormjack

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I don't paticularly like the last guardian, find it clunky as anything.

I like Ueda and Team ICO games, but found the camera and controls can often be frustrating.

Benzino

OwaynOTT wrote: »

And rise of the robots surely?

I'd add The Last of Us to that list too

Danonino.

The price thing I still don't understand. People being surprised or disappointed. I mean:

-A New 3DS XL in Smyths/Argos are around €240 no game.

-A Wii U in Smyths/Argos is €300/€310 with Mario kart 8.

- PS4/Xbox one available for approx €300 new no game.

- The PS Vita, PSP and Wii launched at €250 if I remember correctly.

Way I look at it.
The PS4 and One are 3 years old, had time to get an install base and so price drops and revised models etc. They are home consoles like the Wii U, so if we look at the normal price NEW for a home console right now (never mind launch prices) is around €300. Of course this changes massively when you wait for sales/bundles/used but for buying a console new in a shop you're looking at around €300.

The price of handhelds have always been lower but even now to buy the most recent 3DS your still looking at €230+.

This had me expecting the switch to be somewhere around €300 at launch because the high powered handhelds like PSP and Vita were around the €250 mark and Consoles Upwards of €300.

The accessories yes, I agree they look to be overpriced. But Nintendo accessories always have been. Wavebirds for the GameCube were released at silly prices, Wii motes still ask €45+ euro.

OwaynOTT

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Honestly, those two aren't worth mentioning in the company of Bloodborne or The Last Guardian.
Bloodborne and TLG are bonafide masterpieces, once in a console generation kind of games, The Last Guardian could well find itself, along with Ico and SotC to be the kind of excellence that transcends console generations to be amongst the truly incredible games of all time, alongside Galaga, Pacman, Asteroids, Super Mario World, Ocarina of Time, Resident Evil 4, Super Mario Kart and so on.

And rise of the robots surely?

mdwexford

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Honestly, those two aren't worth mentioning in the company of Bloodborne or The Last Guardian.
Bloodborne and TLG are bonafide masterpieces, once in a console generation kind of games, The Last Guardian could well find itself, along with Ico and SotC to be the kind of excellence that transcends console generations to be amongst the truly incredible games of all time, alongside Galaga, Pacman, Asteroids, Super Mario World, Ocarina of Time, Resident Evil 4, Super Mario Kart and so on.

I agree those two are different gravy towards the latter two.

Just saying I enjoyed playing through SS and R+C a lot and I couldn't do that on any other system.

MilesMorales1

I don't paticularly like the last guardian, find it clunky as anything.

Benzino

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Honestly, those two aren't worth mentioning in the company of Bloodborne or The Last Guardian.
Bloodborne and TLG are bonafide masterpieces, once in a console generation kind of games, The Last Guardian could well find itself, along with Ico and SotC to be the kind of excellence that transcends console generations to be amongst the truly incredible games of all time, alongside Galaga, Pacman, Asteroids, Super Mario World, Ocarina of Time, Resident Evil 4, Super Mario Kart and so on.

He's not saying they are masterpieces, just that they are worth playing, which they are

CiDeRmAn

mdwexford wrote: »

The PS4 has had some nice exclusives, Bloodborne, Until Dawn, Uncharted 4, The Last Guardian, Infamous Second Son and Ratchet and Clank are all worth playing.

Honestly, those two aren't worth mentioning in the company of Bloodborne or The Last Guardian.
Bloodborne and TLG are bonafide masterpieces, once in a console generation kind of games, The Last Guardian could well find itself, along with Ico and SotC to be the kind of excellence that transcends console generations to be amongst the truly incredible games of all time, alongside Galaga, Pacman, Asteroids, Super Mario World, Ocarina of Time, Resident Evil 4, Super Mario Kart and so on.

super_furry

Doomed or not, if the Switch doesn't perform better than the Wii U did, I'd be pretty confident it'd be the last Nintendo console we ever see. They've gone all in on bringing their mobile and console platforms together with this and over the lifetime of the Switch, I'd think that they really need it to at least match what the 3DS did sales wise.

CiDeRmAn

I think some folk seem to take some measure of delight in the downfall of something, be it a film, a book, a game or a console.
I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush, but there is objectively nothing exceptionally bad about the launch line up of the Switch, in fact the presence of BotW on launch day makes it exceptional compared to it's peers.

The pricing of the console seems a little high, but so compared to the PS4/XB1 now, rather than at launch, and I might expect a price change come Christmas '17, at least to either reduce the solas package to beneath €300 or include a pack in game at the current price point.
The matter of storage may become more obvious once we see the system at work, bearing in mind that this is a cart based machine rather than disk, so there may be provision for writable space on the cart for patches or DLC, and for read purposes the system will be much faster reading from a solid state device than a traditional hdd. Think of each game coming on it's own little SSD, no more or, at least, far less pronounced loading times, as we see on the 3DS and Vita right now.
Talk of the system being "doomed" only increases the chances of the system failing.
I would hope people could give it a chance, at least until they actually get to play it themselves, rather than just repeat what they've read elsewhere.
But, each to their own.
The buzz around the Switch seems genuine and mostly positive, though there will always be those to focus on the negative.

mdwexford

Not sure why some Nintendo fans are so precious about defending them. You don't have to be a daily poster to have an opinion.

I'm not a regular poster here but I check in to keep up to date and have owned Nintendo consoles in the past. I didn't get a Wii U but held out hope that the new console would be good.

To me so far it looks disappointing, the power of the console and the games line up.

I will also leave it till Christmas now to see how thing are shaping up by then.

The PS4 has had some nice exclusives, Bloodborne, Until Dawn, Uncharted 4, The Last Guardian, Infamous Second Son and Ratchet and Clank are all worth playing.

There are already a lot of promising looking exclusives planned for this year.

johnpatrick81

Doomed to the failed sales of WiiU. I get you are a fanboy as you yourself point out, but take off the blinkers for a second.

Now which number is better, 80million or 13million?

If you think the WiiU was a success you haven't a clue about business and surprise surprise Nintendo are a business.

I love my Wii U and I have gotten heaps of games on it.

However for Nintendo to stay in the hardware market which we all want, we need them to make this a success. It's not a good start.

Digital Solitude

super_furry wrote: »

Amazon have stopped taking pre-orders now. I spent most of yesterday complaining about the price, the launch line-up and the fact that something like 1, 2 Switch wasn't a pack in.

I'm still going to keep my pre-order and get it with Zelda on day one. The fact is that no-one makes games as good as Nintendo and any of the frustrations vented here and nearly always by people who want to see them do well.

Now I just hope that someone has the good sense to make sure Stardew Valley gets ported to the Switch as soon as possible.

Think the Dev confirmed he'd be coding it for the Switch

MilesMorales1

I reckon we'll get another direct before launch with VC details and what not, and maybe stuff to look forward to.

The really logical (and cool) thing to do would be to have the entire Wii U/3DS virtual console available on the switch day one. Certainly make up for the somewhat lacking launch line up.

super_furry

Amazon have stopped taking pre-orders now. I spent most of yesterday complaining about the price, the launch line-up and the fact that something like 1, 2 Switch wasn't a pack in.

I'm still going to keep my pre-order and get it with Zelda on day one. The fact is that no-one makes games as good as Nintendo and any of the frustrations vented here and nearly always by people who want to see them do well.

Now I just hope that someone has the good sense to make sure Stardew Valley gets ported to the Switch as soon as possible.

orubiru

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Guys, some of you need to see the bigger picture.

We all want this to be a success. Who wouldn't love the WiiU to be still thriving instead of waiting for its last release?

The truth is they need to win back the masses and this launch was massively ignoring that fact. Hopefully it sells by the truck load and gains third party support. Sadly the price range and lineup point to the alternative of the doomed path of the Wii U

What does "doomed" mean though?

Did Nintendo make massive losses as a result of the Wii U sales figures?

The console came out in 2012 and I guess it's cycle was around 4 years. 13 million units sold is still a hefty chunk of revenue before adding in sales of games and sales from the eshop.

Using Metacritic as a very rough guide, you have 8 games scoring 90 or above (5 of those are exclusive) and another 70 games scoring from 80 to 89 (I think 12 of those are Wii U exclusive). So the console does have a library of good games and a solid roster of good exclusive games.

Obviously I am a fanboy for Nintendo here but I can accept that the WiiU did not sell as well as Nintendo would have hoped or expected BUT I think people are way too quick to come out with this "Nintendo is doomed" rhetoric.

I think it is clear from Nintendo's last few consoles that they have no intention of competing directly with Xbox or PS4 but are instead focusing on an "alternative" gaming system. As a result of this you would naturally expect lower sales figures and a smaller software library.

It's why I think the "3rd party support" thing is a bit overrated because the reality is that the Switch will be limited to Nintendo exclusives and re-releases of older games from 3rd parties. There's no way we are going to see Bethesda or Ubisoft or EA or Square Enix releasing their latest game on Nintendo Switch.

If the games that do release are great then what difference does it make really?

It's a niche product that is really only appealing to a small section of the console market.

In that context I am not sure what "doomed" would really mean?

Mr E

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Has GameStop got in touch with any posters that pre ordered online for a fiver?

I remember a poster saying yesterday that he pre ordered in store with a E20 deposit and they rang looking for E50.

Wonder what will happen with the online pre orders.

Paid the 30 balance today. The gamestop employee said that they are expecting shortages (Nintendo themselves said that there will only be 2m units worldwide at launch). I'll throw another 100 on after I get paid at the end of the month.

johnpatrick81

Guys, some of you need to see the bigger picture.

We all want this to be a success. Who wouldn't love the WiiU to be still thriving instead of waiting for its last release?

The truth is they need to win back the masses and this launch was massively ignoring that fact. Hopefully it sells by the truck load and gains third party support. Sadly the price range and lineup point to the alternative of the doomed path of the Wii U

Retr0gamer

Benzino wrote: »

Ha, what a load of rubbish.

As a PC gamer you really don't. The PS4 really offers very little exclusives you can't get on PC and the One even less so. My PS4 never gets any use since Bloodbourne.

Kylo Ren

If it does not have voice chat, messaging and invite capabilities on the actual device and you need a smart device for these services...... It'll be....Jesus. I just can't even describe what it will be like.

People were using voice chat on the OG Xbox and PS2!

Mr.Saturn

Benzino wrote: »

Ha, what a load of rubbish.

It's a relatively common argument in the PC gaming community. Folk like Northernlion and BaerTaffy recommend a PC and Wii U (now Switch, I guess). The logic being that most of the 3rd party AAA games end up on PC, with the XBone barely having a thing to call its own when PC is taken into account, whilst Nintendo's stuff remains exclusive. It discounts the usual decent-to-great flow (well, in generations prior) of great 1st party Sony games, but I can see the logic in it, if nothing else.