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Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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http://kotaku.com/nintendos-next-console-is-code-named-the-nintendo-nx-1691867268

"As proof that Nintendo maintains strong enthusiasm for the dedicated game system business", Iwata adds, "let me confirm that Nintendo is currently developing a dedicated game platform with a brand new concept under the development codename 'NX'."

And...that's it. Iwata says Nintendo will share more information about the new hardware "next year".

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Xenji

Still on the fence with my pre order, I waited about a year after release to get the Wii U mainly to let the game catelogue build up, I could not justify the price at launch, but in the end I have about 18 games and got great enjoyment out of the system and still do.

So I am edging to waiting till around Christmas time to pick it up and I will be picking it up, but cautious as well of delays in games and can also pick up Breath Of The Wild for the Wii U in the meantime.

nairy hipples

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Has GameStop got in touch with any posters that pre ordered online for a fiver?

I remember a poster saying yesterday that he pre ordered in store with a E20 deposit and they rang looking for E50.

Wonder what will happen with the online pre orders.

I pre-ordered online on Thursday and paid a fiver and have heard nothing.

Although I don't condone GameStop I can see why maybe, I probably won't fulfill my pre-order and that could prevent them from selling it to someone else.

Just have to make up my mind on it, I'll cancel it if I don't go ahead, don't want to deprive another Boardsie of a Switch if they want it at launch!

Benzino

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Also, if you have a decent gaming PC, you don't need any console other than a Switch!

Ha, what a load of rubbish.

sligeach

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

You guys comparing the launch to Xbone and Ps4, you're making a big omission, both were successors to HUGE successes. This is following up a massive flop.

Nintendo needed to come out of the blocks sprinting. Instead they are crawling.

Think about it. If they had waited til next year or later this year, and launched with a new Mario, an upgraded Mario Kart, a new Splatoon, an upgraded Zelda BOTW, and maybe even some new ones like Arms etc and 1 more big exclusive, it would have been epic. Instead it's a massive deflated disappointment.

Very true plus they wouldn't wait for the X2 chip which would have been at that stage I think. The hardware seems underwhelming to me. 32GB storage...AGAIN. They seem to have put a lot of tech in the Joy-cons, which I think was wrong. The gamepad was kind of the noose that held the Wii U back from being more powerful. Maybe this HD rumble will be great but I doubt it, reports are mixed. All the accessories are very expensive.

The third party support doesn't look good. I can usually tell whether something will succeed or not and I don't think the Switch will. I feel it's great as a handheld but as a console it doesn't seem much better than the Wii U. I want a powerful step up from the Wii U, I don't care for it being a handheld. But it can't be that because it's a handheld too. It can't have Streetpass because it's also a console. MK8 Deluxe could have been patched on Wii U with DLC. It's more of a handheld and I don't like that.

Then there's other things like their online subscription. They've been awful at it and they're now going to charge people for it. They're so conservative and their voicechat will now be through an app on our smart phones so as to kind of like pass the can. I know people will say it's for when you're out and about but it's not necessary. Or maybe it is because the Switch on its own can't handle it. That will eat my phone's battery and tie it up. People have had to use apps on the Wii U like Skype for voicechat and that's free.

Nobody's talked about the lack of camera. That will be done through an app I bet too and thank God really as any camera they've put in a device has been brutal.

johnpatrick81

Valord wrote: »

You don't consider Zelda to be a solid game? I can scarcely think of another franchise that has such a consistently high-quality.

I said exclusive. It's released the same day on WiiU. Hence not an exclusive.

[Deleted User]

Has GameStop got in touch with any posters that pre ordered online for a fiver?

I remember a poster saying yesterday that he pre ordered in store with a E20 deposit and they rang looking for E50.

Wonder what will happen with the online pre orders.

earthwormjack

I ordered mine today after going back over trailers and treehouse streams. If I can get indie titles similar to Downwell/Binding of Isaac and Nintendo games for on the go, it'll be a great secondary device to my PC.

Xbox One and PS4 don't really offer anything of value to me yet so I have the Switch in mind for a secondary device.

IncognitoMan

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

At last, a non-regular who get it!
Also, if you have a decent gaming PC, you don't need any console other than a Switch!

Well that's not really true at least from my own perspective. I've a decent pc and the older model ps4 and the ps4 gets much more use.

If I do end up with a switch that will probably jump ahead of the pc for use for gaming. There's something about pc gaming that's never grabbed me like the consoles have. I couldn't really care less about league of legends or Dota.

Also at least from my own point of view the playstation exclusives speak way more to me than the Xbox or pc ones so I do think the system is worth owning especially at the prices it's at now.

That's also Nintendo's main strength. Mario, Pokémon and Zelda are 3 games that I just can't get anywhere else. A remaster or new version of Pokémon Crystal would make the switch an instant buy for me

but I can only dream lol.

My main disappointment is that there is a decent possibility that only one of those titles will probably be on the system in 2017, apart from Mario kart obviously. So the switch went from a really exciting console to one I'll probably pick up near the end of 2017 or start of 2018.

Mr.Saturn

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

It's simply lazy journalists, trying to ride a wave of popular opinion and maintain an appearance of being an opinion maker, rather than taking the time to actually play the thing and then make up their minds.
I firmly believe that this behaviour is, in part at least, responsible for the WiiU's short lifespan, despite being jam packed with games worth playing.

Having obtained a PS3 at launch, I can confidently assert that the Switch line-up makes a mockery of it, even if it's not the "come out all guns blazing" launch people were hoping for Nintendo's latest. Had I things like Zelda, Isaac: Afterbirth+, Ultra SF II and Disgaea 5 at the PS3's launch, I'd have not felt like I'd sunk the guts of a grand on a glorified PS2.

I'd agree that the journalistic nay-saying may've made a self-fulfilling prophecy for the Wii U, but Nintendo's failure with 3rd parties and the usual conservative launch schedule did little to challenge these perceptions. The Wii U received roughly half the number of 1st party titles as the Wii, and that's not accounting for factors such as remakes and remixes. I think there's an argument to be made that Nintendo themselves eventually bought into the "Wii U is a dud" anti-hype.

Atari Jaguar

Ace Attorney wrote: »

I have it preordered with smyths, but Im thinking of holding off until may/june for a mario Kart deluxe / Splatoon 2 bundle at summer. I can still play BOTW on the wiiu until then, and maybe the price will have dropped by then. i agree with the more marking this time around, i think with the wiiu they relied on the adverting with the Wii brand name and figured that they didnt need to market the wiiU. The only ads i remember were for mariokart 8 and that was it!

That's exactly what they thought. Call it Wii U and the Wii crowd will flock for it, they said.

In reality the Wii Crowd assumed it was an add on - a very expensive one.

[Deleted User]

I've been talking negatively about the switch since the conference Friday morning but I'll still get it just not at launch.

Probably when ever Mario is released.

I would really like them to clarify the VC situation though.

Ace Attorney

nairy hipples wrote: »

I've made up my mind. Definitely getting a Switch. From watching the trailers again it's just sold me. The question now is whether to get it in March on launch or wait until Summer/Christmas, I have exams in April/May so I probably wouldn't get much time with it!

One thing I hope Nintendo do is market the bloody thing. It needs television adverts, paper adverts etc. Nintendo are notoriously poor on the marketing front. They need to get their message out there. If they nail the marketing I think Switch will be a success

I have it preordered with smyths, but Im thinking of holding off until may/june for a mario Kart deluxe / Splatoon 2 bundle at summer. I can still play BOTW on the wiiu until then, and maybe the price will have dropped by then. i agree with the more marking this time around, i think with the wiiu they relied on the adverting with the Wii brand name and figured that they didnt need to market the wiiU. The only ads i remember were for mariokart 8 and that was it!

BrianG23

orubiru wrote: »

Regarding the price, how much did people actually expect it to cost? How does that compare to other gadgets/consoles?

Regarding games, how many games to consoles generally have available at release? How many of those games are actually any good?

My experience has pretty much always been that buying a console on release day is quite expensive and there are very few games that are actually any good at launch. You probably end up with 1 or 2 great launch games and a load of games that you only play because there's nothing else.

Looks like Nintendo will have the same problem here as they had with the WiiU. There is a loyal fanbase that will buy the console and will end up looking back on it fondly but most other people will just ignore it.

I don't get the "Nintendo is finished" point of view as you can't really say that without comparing how much it costs them to make the console against how much revenue they actually make. I'm not sure I've seen anyone doing that.

Tangent : Watching the TotalBiscuit video there. How the hell can anyone tell whether they are playing a game at 30 fps versus 60 fps?

It shouldn't be more than the Xbox/Ps4 if its not pushing the hardware and also if its playing catch up. Nintendo should be playing it smart not pushing prices up, they need to prove the premium cost if they want to be as expensive as the other two. Throwing some execs on stage and some games that have been out on other systems for years isn't a good strategy at all. They just need to show games. If they're gonna show something like Skyrim how well does that bode for third party support?

MilesMorales1

Valord wrote: »

Well, nobody, because those games don't get released on the console. That's the issue. People don't think of a Nintendo console as one where they can get all (or nearly all) of the games they want, so they don't buy it, because most don't have the luxury of saying "I'll buy one console to do this, and another console to do that".

I do think people tend to overestimate the broad appeal of many of Nintendo's franchise games, the likes of Zelda or Metroid Prime are things I would not expect to be selling like the Call of Duty games at their peak. However, there is no doubt that they probably do very well if marketed properly and games like Mario Kart and Smash Bros would be chart-toppers if they were cross-platform. It would be very different compared to having them on an exclusive console like the Wii U where the barrier for entry is so much higher and the marketing was so poor.

You don't consider Zelda to be a solid game? I can scarcely think of another franchise that has such a consistently high-quality.

Zelda is fantastic. Not exclusive though, cheaper to buy a Wii U if you only wanted that.

BrianG23

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

And yet, CoD Black Ops 2 and Ghosts, and Assassins Creed III and IV came to the WiiU.
And most people have to make a choice when they buy a console.
Buy an XboxOne and you'll never play Bloodborne or Mario Kart 8
Buy a PS4 and you'll never play Halo 5 or Super Mario 3D World
Buy a Switch and, well, we don't really know yet what EA/Activision/Ubisoft are or aren't bringing to the table.

And, to repeat what has been said but doesn't seem to be sinking in with a lot of people, the 3DS:XL seems to have made massive inroads into peoples homes, and most of those homes also have a Playstation or an Xbox in it. I expect that the Switch is going to share space in much the same way.

Pokemon Sun/Moon, on one format, the 3DS, easily out sold Call of Duty Infinite Warfare which released over three formats, PC/PS4/XB1.

Those games have been chart toppers, even though they were only on the WiiU.
Mario Kart 8 sold 8 million copies.
Smash Bros on the 3DS sold 8.35 million copies, and on the WiiU it sold 4.99 million copies.
This isn't in CoD territory, but it is, again, on a single format compared to the plethora of formats the CoD titles came out on.
To suggest that Mario Kart 8 would do better elsewhere reminds me of the bitterness about Bloodborne only coming to the PS4, with the explanation that the game is funded by Sony, which is a company that is hardly likely to see their investment used to sell Xbox consoles.
Nintendo are a hardware manufacturer, why would they consent to their games being used to promote someone elses hardware?
PS4/Xbox1 are little more than PC hardware in a fancy box, at least Nintendo have attempted to bring original experiences to the public with each console they make. And they have been consistently successful, with only two real failures in their history, the Virtual Boy and the WiiU.
A world left to MS and Sony is a dreary thought.

Those games all came way later, just like Skyrim is coming to the switch. It's a long time apart. Xbox has plenty of games even though theres barely any exclusives left. It still gets the likes of FFXV, MGS, resisdent evil etc etc. The problem with it, theres not much to separate it from Ps4 anymore, which gets all of those AND a crapload of exclusives. Ps4 definitely holds the best value for money. Nintendo are almost becoming a niche over the last couple years. Especially as someone with multiple consoles. If you had to choose between an Xbox, Ps and Nintendo, the Nintendo will always have the least amount of quality games. Ps and xbox fluctuate though Ps is certainly jumping ahead this time.

orubiru

Regarding the price, how much did people actually expect it to cost? How does that compare to other gadgets/consoles?

Regarding games, how many games to consoles generally have available at release? How many of those games are actually any good?

My experience has pretty much always been that buying a console on release day is quite expensive and there are very few games that are actually any good at launch. You probably end up with 1 or 2 great launch games and a load of games that you only play because there's nothing else.

Looks like Nintendo will have the same problem here as they had with the WiiU. There is a loyal fanbase that will buy the console and will end up looking back on it fondly but most other people will just ignore it.

I don't get the "Nintendo is finished" point of view as you can't really say that without comparing how much it costs them to make the console against how much revenue they actually make. I'm not sure I've seen anyone doing that.

Tangent : Watching the TotalBiscuit video there. How the hell can anyone tell whether they are playing a game at 30 fps versus 60 fps?

nairy hipples

I've made up my mind. Definitely getting a Switch. From watching the trailers again it's just sold me. The question now is whether to get it in March on launch or wait until Summer/Christmas, I have exams in April/May so I probably wouldn't get much time with it!

One thing I hope Nintendo do is market the bloody thing. It needs television adverts, paper adverts etc. Nintendo are notoriously poor on the marketing front. They need to get their message out there. If they nail the marketing I think Switch will be a success

CiDeRmAn

Valord wrote: »

Well, nobody, because those games don't get released on the console. That's the issue. People don't think of a Nintendo console as one where they can get all (or nearly all) of the games they want, so they don't buy it, because most don't have the luxury of saying "I'll buy one console to do this, and another console to do that".

And yet, CoD Black Ops 2 and Ghosts, and Assassins Creed III and IV came to the WiiU.
And most people have to make a choice when they buy a console.
Buy an XboxOne and you'll never play Bloodborne or Mario Kart 8
Buy a PS4 and you'll never play Halo 5 or Super Mario 3D World
Buy a Switch and, well, we don't really know yet what EA/Activision/Ubisoft are or aren't bringing to the table.

And, to repeat what has been said but doesn't seem to be sinking in with a lot of people, the 3DS:XL seems to have made massive inroads into peoples homes, and most of those homes also have a Playstation or an Xbox in it. I expect that the Switch is going to share space in much the same way.

I do think people tend to overestimate the broad appeal of many of Nintendo's franchise games, the likes of Zelda or Metroid Prime are things I would not expect to be selling like the Call of Duty games at their peak.

Pokemon Sun/Moon, on one format, the 3DS, easily out sold Call of Duty Infinite Warfare which released over three formats, PC/PS4/XB1.

However, there is no doubt that they probably do very well if marketed properly and games like Mario Kart and Smash Bros would be chart-toppers if they were cross-platform. It would be very different compared to having them on an exclusive console like the Wii U where the barrier for entry is so much higher and the marketing was so poor.

Those games have been chart toppers, even though they were only on the WiiU.
Mario Kart 8 sold 8 million copies.
Smash Bros on the 3DS sold 8.35 million copies, and on the WiiU it sold 4.99 million copies.
This isn't in CoD territory, but it is, again, on a single format compared to the plethora of formats the CoD titles came out on.
To suggest that Mario Kart 8 would do better elsewhere reminds me of the bitterness about Bloodborne only coming to the PS4, with the explanation that the game is funded by Sony, which is a company that is hardly likely to see their investment used to sell Xbox consoles.
Nintendo are a hardware manufacturer, why would they consent to their games being used to promote someone elses hardware?
PS4/Xbox1 are little more than PC hardware in a fancy box, at least Nintendo have attempted to bring original experiences to the public with each console they make. And they have been consistently successful, with only two real failures in their history, the Virtual Boy and the WiiU.
A world left to MS and Sony is a dreary thought.

Digital Solitude

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

According to the TB video it'll be a month and the free trial actually runs until Fall 2018, although I don't know where he got the information.

So $60 a year?

Oh christ.

Osmosis Jones

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

But they'll assumedly (obviously I don't know anything) still have a trial period of sorts once the general free bit ends. For people who buy in September or October or for christmas, whatever.

It's smart they haven't said anything yet till they can gauge reactions and work out a good plan. Just very frustrating.

According to the TB video it'll be $5 a month and the free trial actually runs until Fall 2018, although I don't know where he got the information.

Digital Solitude

Probably, I'd expect 2 weeks to a month free if you buy the console after that, but this is Ninty.

MilesMorales1

But they'll assumedly (obviously I don't know anything) still have a trial period of sorts once the general free bit ends. For people who buy in September or October or for christmas, whatever.

It's smart they haven't said anything yet till they can gauge reactions and work out a good plan. Just very frustrating.

Digital Solitude

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I assume thats the case, maybe it'll come with a code in the box? Or the trial is a fixed term that starts from day one to day thirty when you make the account.

They said it was a trial period until the fall? Presumably it's a free for all until September or so. If you buy at launch, six months free, buy in August and you only get one or two.

That's what I read from it

CiDeRmAn

nairy hipples wrote: »

I honestly think that they won't be killing off the (3)DS line just yet. Watching the reveal trailer they keep mentioning it as a HOME console which can be taken on the move. They stress quite often the "home" aspect of this. I think they're covering their bases so that if Switch isn't that successful (and I sincerely hope it is, we need Nintendo in the home console market to keep it fresh) then there'll be a handheld released in a few years...

I can see the Switch being marketed as a home console that you can use on the go, right up to the run up to Christmas and, sure as eggs is eggs, there'll be a portable version released, with a new colour scheme and no dock.
It'll still work with a dock, but it's primary purpose will be as a portable console. They could market it for N3DS:XL money, around €230, and make a killing with a superior Pokemon title for the holidays, possibly the Pokemon Star title, associated with Sun/Moon, that has been mentioned in these parts.

Picture it, with a custom casing/screen protector, on the shelf in Smyth's, could be the must have device of Christmas 2017.

Valord

Danonino. wrote: »

I don't think the switches faith lies in 3rd party, or Assassin's creed, COD etc. Who actually buys a Nintendo consoles to play rainbow six online with their friends? Sweet feck all I say.

Well, nobody, because those games don't get released on the console. That's the issue. People don't think of a Nintendo console as one where they can get all (or nearly all) of the games they want, so they don't buy it, because most don't have the luxury of saying "I'll buy one console to do this, and another console to do that".

Vyse wrote: »

Interestingly there are continuing cries for Nintendo to go multi-platform as if they would sell their games by the bucket load. I'm not convinced of this either. If there was such an appetite to play Nintendo games I think this would have been reflected in the WiiU sales.

I do think people tend to overestimate the broad appeal of many of Nintendo's franchise games, the likes of Zelda or Metroid Prime are things I would not expect to be selling like the Call of Duty games at their peak. However, there is no doubt that they probably do very well if marketed properly and games like Mario Kart and Smash Bros would be chart-toppers if they were cross-platform. It would be very different compared to having them on an exclusive console like the Wii U where the barrier for entry is so much higher and the marketing was so poor.

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

It could have had a single solid exclusive game.

You don't consider Zelda to be a solid game? I can scarcely think of another franchise that has such a consistently high-quality.

MilesMorales1

CastorTroy wrote: »

I think one of the biggest question marks now is over the Online. How much will it be?

I'm not an online player, but I did play a lot of Splatoon online. So since there's now a paywall to play that, it'll be a hindrance. Think was IGN and I'm sure others that pointed out the trial is for the first few months, but will there be free trials for later adopters like with PS+ and Gold?

I assume thats the case, maybe it'll come with a code in the box? Or the trial is a fixed term that starts from day one to day thirty when you make the account.

Edit - the PS4 had a slow start but has really come into its own by now, and has a steady stream of exclusives on it and a fair amount already on them, I love it. The Xbox One doesn't have much on it, and doesn't have much to come. Switch has the potenial to be a great second consolem, side console. I honestly think we're underestimating the local multiplayer aspect, I think it looks fantastic. How often does someone lean over when playing a portable console and ask what you're playing? Happens to me all the time.

I think they're missing a trick by not having something to properly show it off at launch, Rayman or Mario Kart.

nairy hipples

I honestly think that they won't be killing off the (3)DS line just yet. Watching the reveal trailer they keep mentioning it as a HOME console which can be taken on the move. They stress quite often the "home" aspect of this. I think they're covering their bases so that if Switch isn't that successful (and I sincerely hope it is, we need Nintendo in the home console market to keep it fresh) then there'll be a handheld released in a few years...

CiDeRmAn

PraxisPete wrote: »

I think they'll be helped by how poor the Xbox One is though. If you have a ps4 there is no need for an Xbox but the Switch offers something really different as a second console.

At last, a non-regular who get it!
Also, if you have a decent gaming PC, you don't need any console other than a Switch!

PraxisPete

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

I think the major issue that trumps all is the price.

A Nintendo console is usually the 2nd or 3rd console in most gamers homes so with this in mind it needs to be at a price point that reflects it as being the second or even third choice. Coming in at a price point above a households primary console is not going to help with generating decent sales.

I think they'll be helped by how poor the Xbox One is though. If you have a ps4 there is no need for an Xbox but the Switch offers something really different as a second console.

CastorTroy

I think one of the biggest question marks now is over the Online. How much will it be?

I'm not an online player, but I did play a lot of Splatoon online. So since there's now a paywall to play that, it'll be a hindrance. Think was IGN and I'm sure others that pointed out the trial is for the first few months, but will there be free trials for later adopters like with PS+ and Gold?