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Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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http://kotaku.com/nintendos-next-console-is-code-named-the-nintendo-nx-1691867268

"As proof that Nintendo maintains strong enthusiasm for the dedicated game system business", Iwata adds, "let me confirm that Nintendo is currently developing a dedicated game platform with a brand new concept under the development codename 'NX'."

And...that's it. Iwata says Nintendo will share more information about the new hardware "next year".

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FAILSAFE 00

I think the major issue that trumps all is the price.

A Nintendo console is usually the 2nd or 3rd console in most gamers homes so with this in mind it needs to be at a price point that reflects it as being the second or even third choice. Coming in at a price point above a households primary console is not going to help with generating decent sales.

MilesMorales1

48 days! On a more positive note.

ThisRegard

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Also the people screaming that it's the worst launch line up ever need a reality check. At least one of the games is looking like a bona fine classic and the others might surprise. People are forgetting how bad all PlayStation launches were (PS1 was pretty woeful in Japan outside of ridge racer) and consoles have launched with less games, namely the SNES, Saturn and N64. I'm hearing this nonsense from so called game journalists in pretty big websites.

But the problem now though is the affordable competition, which wasn't such an issue around the time of the launch of PS1. The SNES had been out 3 or 4 years by then so the PS1 was really up against the Saturn.

Danonino.

ThisRegard wrote: »

Not strong enough to make the Wii U a great success. They need to be expanding their fan base, not settled with what they have.

Apart from 1 or 2 posts I'm seeing very little trolling, but a lot more preciousness.

I'd argue that the Wii U didn't really play to their fanbase though. It played to the Wii crowd, who had moved on.

Metroid, F-Zero, Fire Emblem, Roaming Mario title (think 64/sunshine), Zelda, Star Fox (Zero with its mental controls doesn't count) etc etc never made an appearance properly on the system. We got Donkey Kong and some Platinum exclusives, a fantastic Mario Kart and later Smash Bros.

The Wii U was a commercial failure because it had no idea what the hell it wanted to be. The switch seems to have a gameplan and it's simple:

Combine Nintendo's home console and Handheld market into one machine.

If they stick to that I see the thing being a massive success and kicking ass in its own market, separate from the overwatch, Battlefield and FIFA playing 4k consoles.

I have been wrong in the past but I called the DS being a massive success when almost everyone else were screaming that the PSP would kill off Nintendo's handheld domination for good. I see the switch doing something similar.

Atari Jaguar

Danonino. wrote: »

Who has the money to buy a launch console and a full lineup like the one you listed?

Basically this. At 69.99 a game (how did anyone expect it to be cheaper?) even if there were 10 games at launch who was going to buy more than one or two anyway? A console plus 10 launch games is €1k.. I'm the same as Mr. E I buy a new game or so once a month, and for that I'd be meticulous with the games I do buy, I won't buy any old ****e and certainly if there was 20 games for launch I wouldn't go in and get one of each, I'd get one (Zelda tbh) and I'm happy till April, I'll buy Mario Kart and a second controller. Then next month Nintendo has me covered again and so on until December and more games coming in 2018.

It's very easy to cry disaster with their line up for the year but you ought to get a grip if you are, the prior systems and the current systems never had a better lineup, a handful of games most of which are first party because why would they rush games out for a brand new system?.. if you buy Zelda and it's a bit toss because it's been rushed out the door, you don't think "awe whit Zelda is rubbish" you think "this console is garbage what a waste". This is how all console launches go, Christ get a grip.

On a side note Nintendo have enough money in the bank to fcuk up 3 console launches in row.

WeleaseWoderick

I think a big issue is that people have had so long to get used to the idea of Breath of the Wild and a new Mario game being announced due to seeing so much of Zelda so far and Mario being in the reveal trailer.

If Friday had been the very first time these games were announced, I think the reaction would be way more positive.

I think also that Reggie's quote regarding looking back in a year's time is very telling as to how they've mapped out the launch and follow up. There's no way they've announced everything they are working on.

ThisRegard

Roark wrote: »

Not really. Nintendo still have a really strong fanbase. The Switch can be a success if they don't make a balls of it like they did with the Wii U. Non regulars coming in here and trying to stir is the same thing that happens in the club threads over at the soccer forum. Trolls be trollin.

Not strong enough to make the Wii U a great success. They need to be expanding their fan base, not settled with what they have.

Apart from 1 or 2 posts I'm seeing very little trolling, but a lot more preciousness.

marcbrophy

If anyone likes to hear John Bain's thoughts, he has a 40 min vid on his Switch thoughts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCrjI3O0fWY

Mostly positive, from a generally miserable bastard

Osmosis Jones

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

PS3 exclusive solid games? PS4, PSP, 360, Xbox One? Wii, DS?

The only recent console I remember having a solid stand out launch line up was the vita, and look how that turned out.

The one argument I'd go to when it comes to this is that while Nintendo do generally have the most exclusives, there are also a lot of games that are exclusively not on the Nintendo. By that I mean there are plenty of games that exist on PlayStation and Xbox but not Nintendo. They're not exclusives, but they are something that the other consoles have over Nintendo.

Anyway again, maybe it could have been a perfect announcement and people would still be unhappy, but we don't know that and it was far from perfect, people are fully justified in having concerns and to pass it off as "trolling" is negligent.

BrianG23

Just reading some rpevious comments, I have to say I love the nintendo franchises, they're just too few of them to warrant the purchase of a console. I game on anything and everything. Pc, Ps4, xbox and nintendo. Nintendo is generally the last or else bottom of the pile to get due to only having around 10 games I really want per generation. And even then its risky because for example, I found mario galaxy too easy and thus boring! That was highly rated and loved. I liked 64's style alot more. Parents hopped onto the hype of the Wii, quickly left it in the dust so I ended up with a free Wii for smash bros, xenoblade etc etc, but that was that.

I'm still not convinced by the switch, if it was 300 quid WITH the accessories, I might have bitten. But at the moment i'm yet again looking at only a few games I really want to play, the problem i'm stuck with is i'd much rather have Zelda that Horizon zero dawn or many other games on Ps4/Xbox, but theres just a crap load of quality games on those systems.

I'm regretting getting an Xbox One at this point, howver I had fun on the likes of Rocket league and many others. Now Ps4 is having argubly its best year for games let alone the ones I have to catch up on. How can I not get a Ps4 at this point?

Thats the problem with nintendo...third party titles in between their amazing exclusives. Especially with the amount of third party games nintendo miss. The witcher for example.

CastorTroy

To be honest, the promise of games these days, unless they're near completion, isn't really enough to buy a console for. For example, I saw people who said they bought a PS3 when follow up to Shadow of the Colossus was announced. In Nintendo's case I know there are people who bought a Wii U a couple years ago to play the new Zelda. I know there are more games for each system, but if they're announcing games now that aren't going to be out for at least a year or 2 in order to sell systems now, then it's not the right way.
I've said before that I would like games to be announced within a year, at most, from completion. Now they just announce games because they need sometihing to announce.

Mario Splatoon and Xenoblade are all due to be released this year, I believe, as well as Mario Kart. It may be something for the Santa list.

Danonino.

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

You guys comparing the launch to Xbone and Ps4, you're making a big omission, both were successors to HUGE successes. This is following up a massive flop.

Nintendo needed to come out of the blocks sprinting. Instead they are crawling.

Think about it. If they had waited til next year or later this year, and launched with a new Mario, an upgraded Mario Kart, a new Splatoon, an upgraded Zelda BOTW, and maybe even some new ones like Arms etc and 1 more big exclusive, it would have been epic. Instead it's a massive deflated disappointment.

Fair enough, but the point I'm making is they are pushing the sonsole out early, their aim is to create a buzz for later in the year. Kids arrive back from the summer holidays and see Johnny got Splatoon 2 and it's awesome.

Who has the money to buy a launch console and a full lineup like the one you listed? Not many that's who. Who might buy a console mid year then purchase games for Christmas? I'd gamble a hell of a lot more. A €50 price drop in November, a Mario title for Christmas.

I think they might be smarter here than we giving them credit for.

I bought Bloodborne march 2015 on launch as I figured there would be enough reason to buy a PS4 and had the special edition preordered. I didn't buy a PS4 till January 2016 as SFV and Dark Souls 3 were on the way and there were enough games to warrant a purchase.

Zelda at launch, Splatoon 2 in summer, Mario by the end of the year. They are trying a staggered launch of sorts. We won't know how it turns out until much later.

Edit: For me personally it will be the first console I bought at launch since the GameCube because I see myself playing it from launch, and a the release schedule I actually like.

Fire emblem warriors, anyone have an idea when we can expect that. Thats a game that makes sense to me. I remember playing Hyrule Warriors and thinking Fire emblem would have made more sense.

Mr E

I'm long past the days of buying lots of full price games every month (the good old days before mortgage, petrol and bills).

Monthly, I grab some indie games for 10-15 on PC, smaller games on mobile, and I'm very happy to get one or two full price games.

On the Switch, that'll equate to Zelda and Snipperclips in March, 1-2 Switch in April, Mario Kart at the end of April, Rime and Puyo Puyo Tetris in May and so on.... Let me transfer my 15+ VC games across from Wii U, give me Mario Sunshine and other Gamecube games, and I'll be delighted.

I'll be the first to admit that Wii U content dried up, but as long as there is a steady flow of quality content on the Switch, I'll be happy.

MilesMorales1

PS3 exclusive solid games? PS4, PSP, 360, Xbox One? Wii, DS?

The only recent console I remember having a solid stand out launch line up was the vita, and look how that turned out.

Atari Jaguar

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Home game consoles
Platform Firm Units sold
Wii Nintendo 101.63 million
Xbox 360 Microsoft 84 million
PlayStation 3 Sony >83.8 million
Nintendo Entertainment System Nintendo 61.91 million

Not a huge success mr atari jaguar? (irony!)

Pressed post before I finished typing

johnpatrick81

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

There's a lot of things to criticise about the Switch and the presentation in fact. But some people would have criticised it no matter what. I don't like the term troll cos its dumb, but truly. The presentation could have been perfect, it could have 3rd party support coming out of its ear, it could be cheaper, and some people just would be set against it before they'd even played it.

It could have had a single solid exclusive game.

johnpatrick81

Home game consoles
Platform Firm Units sold
Wii Nintendo 101.63 million
Xbox 360 Microsoft 84 million
PlayStation 3 Sony >83.8 million
Nintendo Entertainment System Nintendo 61.91 million

Not a huge success mr atari jaguar?

(irony!)

MilesMorales1

There's a lot of things to criticise about the Switch and the presentation in fact. But some people would have criticised it no matter what. I don't like the term troll cos its dumb, but truly. The presentation could have been perfect, it could have 3rd party support coming out of its ear, it could be cheaper, and some people just would be set against it before they'd even played it.

The 3DS had a bad start, and a bad launch line up. But now its sold 61 million according to google, not too shabby.

They should have had Pokemon at the presentation. Have pokemon for launch in fact. This is the first portable console in fact, with no pokemon game playable on it at launch!

johnpatrick81

https://gamerant.com/playstation-3-sales-80-million/ 3 years ago

Atari Jaguar

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

You guys comparing the launch to Xbone and Ps4, you're making a big omission, both were successors to HUGE successes. This is following up a massive flop.

Nintendo needed to come out of the blocks sprinting. Instead they are crawling.

Think about it. If they had waited til next year or later this year, and launched with a new Mario, an upgraded Mario Kart, a new Splatoon, an upgraded Zelda BOTW, and maybe even some new ones like Arms etc and 1 more big exclusive, it would have been epic. Instead it's a massive deflated disappointment.

I can tell you now the PS3 was not a huge success to start off. It only changed once Sony fixed their marketing strategy. Saying ridiculous things like "you'll get a second job for a PS3" who thought that was a good idea? But it was all about Xbox for a time, until it caught up, that's all Nintendo need to do. They need consistency in their marketing and a steady lineup of good games and the switch will not fail.

The Wii U had awful marketing, with the Wii U most average consumers thought it was another Wii. It seems more like that's what Nintendo were hoping for, people would see Wii U and think it's the next Wii and pick it up based on that, but forgetting or ignoring that the crowd who bought Wii aren't so interested in sitting playing games on a tablet or gamepad.

From what I see of this there's very little gimmicks, it's a console and it's a handheld, it's an easy explanation to someone who doesn't really get consoles.. assuming they get the good third party games that little johnny wants, come Christmas they will sell massive imo.

johnpatrick81

You guys comparing the launch to Xbone and Ps4, you're making a big omission, both were successors to HUGE successes. This is following up a massive flop.

Nintendo needed to come out of the blocks sprinting. Instead they are crawling.

Think about it. If they had waited til next year or later this year, and launched with a new Mario, an upgraded Mario Kart, a new Splatoon, an upgraded Zelda BOTW, and maybe even some new ones like Arms etc and 1 more big exclusive, it would have been epic. Instead it's a massive deflated disappointment.

Danonino.

Ha ha I remember pricing up The PS3 display boxes with €599 stickers and Resistance was.... Wait for it... €89

CiDeRmAn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Also the people screaming that it's the worst launch line up ever need a reality check. At least one of the games is looking like a bona fine classic and the others might surprise. People are forgetting how bad all PlayStation launches were (PS1 was pretty woeful in Japan outside of ridge racer) and consoles have launched with less games, namely the SNES, Saturn and N64. I'm hearing this nonsense from so called game journalists in pretty big websites.

It's simply lazy journalists, trying to ride a wave of popular opinion and maintain an appearance of being an opinion maker, rather than taking the time to actually play the thing and then make up their minds.
I firmly believe that this behaviour is, in part at least, responsible for the WiiU's short lifespan, despite being jam packed with games worth playing.

CiDeRmAn

When the XboxOne was announced I was disappointed that there was nothing I wanted to play, and I waited until Halo 5 before buying one, that October.
When the PS4 was announced I was similarly underwhelmed, and ended up waiting a little while because the only game worth having was Resogun, and it was the promise of Bloodborne that made the machine worth owning, picking the machine up in early 2014.
The WiiU, had an equally sparse line up, with nothing of interesting, aside from the sometime packin Nintendoland.
All the machines needed time to bring out games of consequence, yet the Switch is going launch with Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, surely a launch game of a similar scale to Super Mario World/Super Mario 64.
The Snes didn't launch with it's most defining title, SFII, the Megadrive didn't launch with it's key title Sonic the Hedgehog either, but those are the games most people associate with the system.
When we consider the PS3 or the PS2 we don't think of Ridge Racer V or Resistance, or at least I hope no one does.
The Xbox launch was probably one of the few, alongside the Gamecube and 360 that had some decent fare on offer, with Halo, Amped and Project Gotham on the Xbox, WaveRace, Super Monkeyball, Rogue Squadron and Luigi's Mansion on the GC and PGR3, Quake 4 and CoD2 on the 360.

So, the immediate launch titles on the Switch, particularly at a time of year not known for console releases should not trouble us too much, with the last quarter of 2017 being more relevant and, apparently, replete with big titles, including Mario Odyssey available by then, to tempt the shopper.

OwaynOTT

Vyse wrote: »

This. Nintendo need to be attracting new fans from the existing market and they are failing to do that. It seems that you cannot comment on Nintendo unless you are a Nintendo fan. I remember making a comment in the WiiU discussion board a few years ago. In the interest of disclosure I stated that I wasn't a Nintendo fan (not that I have anything against them). I was therefore dismissed out of hand and the essence was if you're not a fan then why are you commenting here.

Interestingly there are continuing cries for Nintendo to go multi-platform as if they would sell their games by the bucket load. I'm not convinced of this either. If there was such an appetite to play Nintendo games I think this would have been reflected in the WiiU sales.

That's just my 2 cents anyway...

While it was a failure it should almost 15 million units. That's a lot of people and the software sold by the bucketload. Sure the 3ds has sold 5 times that with massive software sales.
Oh yeah there was that whole Pokemon go craze and Mario run is selling well on iOS despite the steep price.
There's a demand for Nintendo titles. Look at the classic nes mini and the second hand retro market.

Retr0gamer

Also the people screaming that it's the worst launch line up ever need a reality check. At least one of the games is looking like a bona fine classic and the others might surprise. People are forgetting how bad all PlayStation launches were (PS1 was pretty woeful in Japan outside of ridge racer) and consoles have launched with less games, namely the SNES, Saturn and N64. I'm hearing this nonsense from so called game journalists in pretty big websites.

Danonino.

Personally the launch lineup doesn't really worry me. They are pushing the console out as soon as they can in 2017 to get the buzz needed to actually compete the holiday season. To create a buzz and a want for the console early in the year with titles like Splatoon 2 then drop some heavy hitters late in the year.

The price is fine, a Wii U with Mario Kart 8 is STILL around that price in places like Smyths. Early adopters will always pay a premium. What price was the PS4 at launch? The 3DS? The price is around what I expected.

I don't think the switches faith lies in 3rd party, or Assassin's creed, COD etc. Who actually buys a Nintendo consoles to play rainbow six online with their friends? Sweet feck all I say. I think for Nintendo to really succeed here they need to truly combine their handheld and home console markets. I hope that's the direction they are going in as it's the only one that makes sense to me.

I'm very very surprised they didn't announce Pokémon for the switch. Not a ****e spin off or mystery dungeon etc but Sun and Moons platinum. If there ever was a system seller that's it. Also what have Retro studios been making???

The last proper metroid by retro was 10 years ago, they co-made Mario kart 7 and then two donkey Kong countrys. I see an announcement from them soon.

EA making FIFA switch edition rather than a port of 17 screams 3rd party's don't see it as a direct competitor to PS4/XBO and is more its own thing. Nintendo need to embrace that. If they... Let's say announced a new handheld. That's it done, the console will fail as it has no true direction. If they focus all their efforts on the switch I can't see them fail.

McLoughlin

Vyse wrote: »

This. Nintendo need to be attracting new fans from the existing market and they are failing to do that. It seems that you cannot comment on Nintendo unless you are a Nintendo fan. I remember making a comment in the WiiU discussion board a few years ago. In the interest of disclosure I stated that I wasn't a Nintendo fan (not that I have anything against them). I was therefore dismissed out of hand and the essence was if you're not a fan then why are you commenting here.

Interestingly there are continuing cries for Nintendo to go multi-platform as if they would sell their games by the bucket load. I'm not convinced of this either. If there was such an appetite to play Nintendo games I think this would have been reflected in the WiiU sales.

That's just my 2 cents anyway...

People working in Gamestop told me they all ways have a few parents asking about Mario on Xbox or Playstation in the run up to christmas

OwaynOTT

First of all, I'm a massive Nintendo fan and a regularish poster in here and usually positive but the the Switch reveal has felt me feeling underwhelmed.
It is too pricey considering the competition and the amount of content in those systems now.
It shouldn't matter how much the ps4 and that Xbox thing was priced at launch. All that matters is how much they are now.
Nintendo never really take a hit on the price of their hardware but I think this was a time they needed to do it, to leave the naysayers with no reason not to buy one.
The peripherals are too costly also.
The had a major misstep with the WiiU and expect the people who were burnt by that console and those who never dipped into that, admittedly excellent pool, to shell out premium prices considering the market for an underpowered machine, with limited third party support.
The hybridity is a nice idea but I can't see it being enough of a seller to convince western audiences to adopt it enmass.
They needed to come out swinging to convince the naysayers gamers and game developers that Nintendo is a must buy for everyone not just the Nintendo faithful whom are attracted by fire emblem and other kinda niche titles.
It will sell well in Japan I reckon but definitive software ports of wiiu games mightn't do that well, as they all ready sold well over there. Those titles might do better here.

I'm looking forward to zelda, Mario kart (haven't got the dlc) and Mario in the city and very pleased with battle mode in Mario kart and even bomberman.
Disappointed there's no news of an fzero and the reward for buying an online memebership being only temporary. I can't see that changing though.
I'll probably never use it on the go but can see me using it more than a traditional console in the home, so that's a plus.

Hopefully Nintendo do actually blow us all away and his time next year we can all look back and laugh at the feeling of dread and the lacklustre response to the switch.

Fire emblem warriors is great but I want another traditional fire emblem game!

Vyse

ThisRegard wrote: »

And that's a problem for Nintendo

This. Nintendo need to be attracting new fans from the existing market and they are failing to do that. It seems that you cannot comment on Nintendo unless you are a Nintendo fan. I remember making a comment in the WiiU discussion board a few years ago. In the interest of disclosure I stated that I wasn't a Nintendo fan (not that I have anything against them). I was therefore dismissed out of hand and the essence was if you're not a fan then why are you commenting here.

Interestingly there are continuing cries for Nintendo to go multi-platform as if they would sell their games by the bucket load. I'm not convinced of this either. If there was such an appetite to play Nintendo games I think this would have been reflected in the WiiU sales.

That's just my 2 cents anyway...