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Recruitment for British army soars in Republic of Ireland

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From the Belfast Telegraph.

Apparently a new Irish recruit signs up every 4 1/2 days. Can't blame the young Irish lads. If it's a choice between wasting your life away on the dole in some grim village in the backarse of Cavan or traveling the world on global deployments with the British Army, I'd choose the latter. I hear the pay is decent and there are lots of opportunities for advancement.

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FrancieBrady

Didas wrote: »

That is an extremely broad statement that does not describe how such a scenario could occur. You are projecting a specific historical situation onto the modern world, where it is simply not applicable.

Run My Little Pony's off quoted scenario of unionist violence in the event of even seriously talking about a UI or a vote?
Who do you think will be deployed to put that down? And what do you think the methods will be?

Professor Moriarty

Del.Monte wrote: »

You need to get out more.

Probably. But I'll always know racism when I hear it. Heard enough in Britain in the eighties. You know, phrases like 'A bit Irish' and so on.

Cool_CM

end of the road wrote: »

if he is really irish he won't join.

What is 'really Irish' in your opinion?

Falthyron

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Run My Little Pony's off quoted scenario of unionist violence in the event of even seriously talking about a UI or a vote?
Who do you think will be deployed to put that down? And what do you think the methods will be?

1- The PSNI.
2- Patrols and cordons to divide the people participating in aggressive behaviour.

Do I win tonight's star prize?

Falthyron

Cool_CM wrote: »

What is 'really Irish' in your opinion?

The deluded lad probably has British ancestry. Wouldn't that be hilarious?

[Deleted User]

Del.Monte wrote: »

You need to get out more.

You and Lord Sutch need to stop attending those Royal British Legion meetings where sneering at the "thick Paddys" is second nature.

cameramonkey

LordSutch wrote: »

Its a commonly used self deprecating phrase used in Ireland.

maryishere is right regarding the retarded post that is 207.

But what does it mean?

FrancieBrady

A Little Pony wrote: »

The current situation is best for all concerned, the British Army is NOT going to come back to Ulster and murder anyone. You sound paranoid about this. The Irish-British relationship is great at the moment.

The 'current' situation will not pertain.
Either the GFA works and we get a serious debate and vote on a UI or we head back towards conflict.
If we get a debate on a UI and a vote then you predict violence.

Who will be deployed to deal with that violence? Either a reignition of the conflict or unionist objection to a UI which you vehemently predict?

Didas

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Run My Little Pony's off quoted scenario of unionist violence in the event of even seriously talking about a UI or a vote?
Who do you think will be deployed to put that down? And what do you think the methods will be?

Does MLP speak for Northern loyalists, or does he just predict the future?

Even if this scenario were to occur, it would not escalate to the level seen during the Troubles because loyalist paramilitaries, and dissident republicans, would not have anywhere near the capability of the PIRA, and because NI is no longer the poor, sectarian cesspit that it was 40 years ago, and it will be even further removed from what it was then by the time a UI becomes a likelihood many years from now.

cameramonkey

LordSutch wrote: »

You obviously haven't been in the right parts then. I hear it used quite frequently in my part of Ireland.

I live in Dublin, never heard it here? What does it mean?

FrancieBrady

Falthyron wrote: »

1- The PSNI.
2- Patrols and cordons to divide the people participating in aggressive behaviour.

Do I win tonight's star prize?

You clearly aren't too familiar with MLP's predictions. It isn't going to be a bit of Never Never Never street violence but a campaign like no other seen on the island.

FrancieBrady

Didas wrote: »

Does MLP speak for Northern loyalists, or does he just predict the future?

Even if this scenario were to occur, it would not escalate to the level seen during the Troubles because loyalist paramilitaries, and dissident republicans, would not have anywhere near the capability of the PIRA, and because NI is no longer the poor, sectarian cesspit that it was 40 years ago, and it will be even further removed from what it was then by the time a UI becomes a likelihood many years from now.

You are doing a bit of 'predicting' there yourself.

I am funnily enough unaware of anyone who knows what will definetly happen in the 'future'.

I do remember people saying that the conflict could only last a few years because of the might of the British. That was some prediction eh?

maryishere

cameramonkey wrote: »

But what does it mean?

If you google Collins dictionary and look "irish" up, you will see it is an adjective
1. of, relating to, or characteristic of Ireland, its people, their Celtic language, or their dialect of English
2. informal, offensive ludicrous or illogical

Someone else introduced Hitler / Mazism in to the conversation a few diozen posts ago " British Army having a recruitment drive in Ireland is like Hitler having a recruitment drive in Poland for the Nazi Youth." I replied and said "A bit Irish mentioning Hitler and the Nazis when it was the British ( inc 100, 000 Irishmen who joined their forces then ) who stood alone against the Nazis in 1940."

There you go, you learn a bit of English as well as a bit of history every day.

eeguy

end of the road wrote: »

no . it's a low rent, and frankly scummy thing to do in my view. if he is really irish he won't join. if he joins then he should stay in britain and never return.

no it's a conviction. a conviction to go against their people. they are against their country.

That sort of 19th century deluded nationalism is the reason we have all this sh*t in the first place.
Maybe if you's let go of your grudges and your prejudices and stopped digging at the wounds of people long since dead we might actually have a bit of unity on this island of ours.

cameramonkey wrote: »

I live in Dublin, never heard it here? What does it mean?

I live in Dublin and heard it a few times.
Basically it means a backward way of thinking.
ie "it's a bit Irish that people still grumble into their pints about how the black and tans ruined the country".

Dirty Dingus McGee

God to see maryishere is back really missed his/her valuable contributions and complete lack of biasedness. He/she really shows us the right way.

cameramonkey

Just had a look for explanation of "a bit Irish" seems to mean a bit thick or stupid.

Seems to have originated in the UK and is used widely there. I suppose if its used by non Irish people they could be accused of casual racism, used by Irish people in my view it would be pretty sad reflection on them.

cameramonkey

maryishere wrote: »

If you google Collins dictionary and look "irish" up, you will see it is an adjective
1. of, relating to, or characteristic of Ireland, its people, their Celtic language, or their dialect of English
2. informal, offensive ludicrous or illogical

But you said "a bit Irish". Are you Irish may I ask?

Didas

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are doing a bit of 'predicting' there yourself.

I am funnily enough unaware of anyone who knows what will definetly happen in the 'future'.

I do remember people saying that the conflict could only last a few years because of the might of the British. That was some prediction eh?

Well you are proposing an extremely unlikely future scenario, that you've created based on a skewed world view you hold due to negative past experiences. I can hardly engage with that without making predictions now can I?

eeguy

cameramonkey wrote: »

Just had a look for explanation of "a bit Irish" seems to mean a bit thick or stupid.

Seems to have originated in the UK and is used widely there. I suppose if its used by non Irish people they could be accused of casual racism, used by Irish people in my view it would be pretty sad reflection on them.

Unfortunately some people like to live up to the stereotype, which is why it's still in use in here and in the UK.

Falthyron

cameramonkey wrote: »

Just had a look for explanation of "a bit Irish" seems to mean a bit thick or stupid.

Seems to have originated in the UK and is used widely there. I suppose if its used by non Irish people they could be accused of casual racism, used by Irish people in my view it would be pretty sad reflection on them.

Indeed. Its completely acceptable for an Irish person to ridicule and condemn a fellow Irish person or the Irish people for being a bit thick. But, by the power of Michael D and the tricolour, if another nation slags us off, that's going too far....

....even though we enjoy belittling others.

Dirty Dingus McGee

eeguy wrote: »

Unfortunately some people like to live up to the stereotype, which is why it's still in use in here and in the UK.

Ireland is the only country where some of it citizens are stupid.In fact I believe we invented stupidity and exported it around the world.

LordSutch

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

God to see maryishere is back really missed his/her valuable contributions and complete lack of biasedness. He/she really shows us the right way.

Are you by any chance biased Mr noisy eater?

FrancieBrady

Didas wrote: »

Well you are proposing an extremely unlikely future scenario, that you've created based on a skewed world view you hold due to negative past experiences. I can hardly engage with that without making predictions now can I?

What is skewed about my view?
I am not proposing a career choice that may involve the killing of fellow Irish people in pursuit of a foreign country's objective. That is profoundly skewed IMO.

Dirty Dingus McGee

LordSutch wrote: »

Are you by any chance biased Mr noisy eater?

The poster I referred to seems only to get involved in one type of thread and seems only to take one side and seem to have a massive dislike of this country which is odd considering most likely he or she lives here.

Cool_CM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Just had a look for explanation of "a bit Irish" seems to mean a bit thick or stupid.

Seems to have originated in the UK and is used widely there. I suppose if its used by non Irish people they could be accused of casual racism, used by Irish people in my view it would be pretty sad reflection on them.

What, so we're not allowed to take the piss out of ourselves as a nation now? It's a shame that some people's sense of Irish identity is so fragile that it can be shaken by somebody insinuating that we can be a bit stupid and backwards sometimes.

cameramonkey

In my opinion joining the BA is something that I would not encourage any of my family to do. First they should have an allegiance to Ireland and not any other country be it the UK,USA or any other state. I have known a few who were in the UK forces and since returned to Ireland. One was in the Royal Navy and I would say he was pretty messed up by his experiences, the other seemed normal enough.

I would say that one of the great things about Ireland getting its political independence from the UK was the fact that Irish people en mass no longer had to fight and die in the UK's many wars since 1922. This has saved countless Irish families from great tragedy.

Having said all that each individual has to make his or her mind up and should be given the freedom to do so.

LordSutch

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is skewed about my view?
I am not proposing a career choice that may involve the killing of fellow Irish people in pursuit of a foreign country's objective. That is profoundly skewed IMO.

Spoken like a true irish Republican, "Up the RA" I hear you cry :rolleyes:

[Deleted User]

maryishere wrote: »

A bit Irish mentioning Hitler and the Nazis when it was the British...who stood alone against the Nazis in 1940.

Nah, they weren't. But don't let historical facts get in the way of your relentlessly cringe-inducing Britannia Rules the Waves version of history.

Didas

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is skewed about my view?

I am not proposing a career choice that may involve the killing of fellow Irish people in pursuit of a foreign country's objective.

Your second paragraph answers your question.

cameramonkey

Falthyron wrote: »

Indeed. Its completely acceptable for an Irish person to ridicule and condemn a fellow Irish person or the Irish people for being a bit thick. But, by the power of Michael D and the tricolour, if another nation slags us off, that's going too far....

....even though we enjoy belittling others.

Look up racism in the dictionary, see what it says.