PressRun wrote: » Is it now?
finisklin wrote: » Cunniffe voted to oust them in the first instance and he now has a change of mind. Stirring this and smugly proclaiming that he won't be donning a Mayo jersey again. Where was his conscience and sense of balance/fairness at the vote? Something not right with that either.
Kristopherus wrote: » Are you sure he did? IIRC he was asked if he agreed with the result of the vote and he said he felt he had to go with the majority.
seligehgit wrote: » I am sure there are still great pangs of hurt and resentment on their part.
PressRun wrote: » I still have great pangs of hurt and resentment over things Holmes and Connelly did while in charge as do many of the players, I'm sure. Sure there are problems to resolve but those problems should be resolved in house and not through Martin Breheny of all people. Giving a completely one-sided interview that offers no context and names names and details dressing room conversations and makes insinuations that undermine Rochford are not helpful and this notion that it's for "the good of Mayo football" is complete nonsense.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Here here pressrun. Im not one for making excuses for the players. Our lads get too much praise for winning nothing and if AOS spent half as much time thinking about improving his game as he does thinking about how is hair and beard look, he would be a far better footballer than the one trick pony he has now become. But I think the tone of this interview is very biased and unfair. The part that sums it up for me is where the players are lambasted for placing the blame for not winning sam on lacking a defensive plan and poor matchups instead of looking at themselves, yet these were the very things that pundits across the board (including breheny himself!) pointed out as the defining factors in big games that mayo lost in the past. It is a complete double standard - one of many in the piece. The bottom line is this, 27 of the 34 players of the squad that they selected themselves, had no faith in them to do the job. That is the piece of information that matters the most yet it is the only one they havent gone into in their lenthy article. If they actually had the good of mayo football at heart, they could have delivered this message to the players in private. The reality is the papers dont care about them or their story, they just wanted a rod for the mayo footballers backs - which is clear from the tone of the article, and these guys are so short-sighted that they didnt they were being used to that end. Furthermore, it is clear that there were personality clashes within the group, which instead of managing, they made personal. For instance, I dont see what is so wrong with alan dillon asking why an underperforming andy moran was being selected ahead of him. He has put more years than most in for mayo, surely he, being one of the most experienced players in the game, was entitled to have a conversation with the managers to that end? Those things, to me, underline that they weren't good managers and hadnt approached the job in the right manner. I see people saying that it wouldnt happen in dublin and kerry, and they are 100% right. But the actual difference is they wouldnt have gotten the job in dublin or kerry in the first place and that is why it wouldnt happen. That is the real difference between the squads and that is the lesson for us. However, does anyone think that if dublin were taken from jim gavins setup into, what sounds like, something you would see at an u16 club squad, they wouldnt have something to say about it? No way would they take that, and proper order too. They might go about it in a better way as regards managing the press, but that is only because they have professionals advising them night and day on such things.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Here here pressrun. Im not one for making excuses for the players. Our lads get too much praise for winning nothing and if AOS spent half as much time thinking about improving his game as he does thinking about how is hair and beard look, he would be a far better footballer than the one trick pony he has now become. But the tone of this interview is very biased and unfair. The part that sums it up for me is where the players are lambasted for placing the blame for not winning sam on lacking a defensive plan and poor matchups instead of looking at themselves, yet these were the very things that pundits across the board (including breheny himself) pointed out as the defining factors in big games that mayo lost in the past. It is a complete double standard - and that is how the article goes on; everything is their fault, they have thins cosy and dont want to upset the apple cart, and their management were ousted because they tried to fix it. Sorry but these guys have made all ireland finals over and over. They have pushed teams much more fancied than them to the absolute pin of their collar - sometimes even losing on the back of poor refereeing calls. Teams with such massive issues dont do that once, never mind consistantly. The bottom line is this, 27 of the 34 players of the squad that they selected themselves, had no faith in them to do the job. That is the piece of information that matters the most yet it is the only one they havent gone into in their lenthy article. If they actually had the good of mayo football at heart, they could have delivered this message to the players in private. The reality is the papers dont care about them or their story, they just wanted a rod for the mayo footballers backs - which is clear from the tone of the article, and these guys are so short-sighted that they didnt they were being used to that end. Furthermore, it is clear that there were personality clashes within the group, which instead of managing, they made personal. For instance, I dont see what is so wrong with alan dillon asking why an underperforming andy moran was being selected ahead of him. He has put more years than most in for mayo, surely he, being one of the most experienced players in the game, was entitled to have a conversation with the managers to that end? Those things, to me, underline that they weren't good managers and hadnt approached the job in the right manner. I see people saying that it wouldnt happen in dublin and kerry, and they are 100% right. But the actual difference is they wouldnt have gotten the job in dublin or kerry in the first place and that is why it wouldnt happen. That is the real difference between the squads and that is the lesson for us. However, does anyone think that if dublin were taken from jim gavins setup into, what sounds like, something you would see at an u16 club squad, they wouldnt have something to say about it? No way would they take that, and proper order too. They might go about it in a better way as regards managing the press, but that is only because they have professionals advising them night and day on such things.
Green Peter wrote: » Delighted Clarke got the All Star and retired, he deserved better from teammates.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Here here pressrun. I see people saying that it wouldnt happen in dublin and kerry, and they are 100% right. But the actual difference is they wouldnt have gotten the job in dublin or kerry in the first place and that is why it wouldnt happen. That is the real difference between the squads and that is the lesson for us. However, does anyone think that if dublin were taken from jim gavins setup into, what sounds like, something you would see at an u16 club squad, they wouldnt have something to say about it? No way would they take that, and proper order too. They might go about it in a better way as regards managing the press, but that is only because they have professionals advising them night and day on such things.
ProudDUB wrote: » Dublin footballers don't embaress themselves in the media, because they understand the concepts of team work, hard work, loyalty and unity. It's not because they are being advised by professionals night and day. If you think character doesn't matter & its just about having the right handlers on the payroll, then you have an awful lot to learn about what it takes to win an All Ireland.
Robeman wrote: » Correct me if I am wrong. My understanding is that Dublin panel share all earnings from media, promotional, advertising work rather than it going to main stars only. If true this demonstartes a good team ethic. I don't believe that this happens in Mayo
PressRun wrote: » If Holmes and Connelly want to really get into the nitty gritty of what happened during their time in charge, I would more than welcome it. But I highly doubt they want any situation to arise where they can't control the narrative. And I don't believe for a second that they don't know why they were ousted. They know exactly why.
TCDStudent1 wrote: » what was the issue with their appointment again? Didn't McStay withdraw once it became clear that the players didn't want to work with Liam McHale? I certainly remember him saying something like that when he withdrew. And I don't recall any other contenders outside Holmes / Connelly
Robeman wrote: » The players were given ample opportunity to give reason but they chose not to because there are none of substance. Finally Holmes \ Connolly give theirs and somehow it is one sided. The great unknown is actually what the result of the vote was. The problem there is that no tellers were appointed by the meeting and votes were not publically counted. If the "Egos" were the one who called the meeting \ organised venue \ set the agenda \ decided on what to be voted on then very possible that they "organised" vote count as well. It might have been 27-7 and then again it might not have been. Only those who counted votes know the truth. We all laugh at various "Presidential" votes like those in Zimbabwe and how popular Mugabe is. Maybe Mayo player votes have the same rules.
Robeman wrote: » There is nothing wrong with personality clashes or players having opinions (even inflated) on themselves so long as they accept that manager is boss.
Robeman wrote: » The point I draw from article is that Alan Dillon very happy when he was on team less so when he was off it.
seligehgit wrote: » No I believe he voted with the majority without question.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Ah give me a break. Plenty dublin players embarassed themselves in the media in the run up to the final replay, albeit past players. And I can think of one current player who went on the radio and flatly denied he had gouged another players eye, when it was clear that he had - I would consider that very embarassing to be honest. I never mentioned the word character, so I dont know where you are pulling that tangent out of. However, this mayo team has plenty of it. Do you think they didnt know they would have plenty aiming the above type of stuff at them at every turn? The easy thing was to just go along with it. They still had the guts to do it. I dont put them up on a pedestal as I have early pointed out - they arent perfect. But they are due a fair and reasonable 'trial by media' at least, if people are determinded to trial them there.
koochie wrote: » The issue here is that a small cohort of players in our squad have been trying to influence management decisions. It appears that they succeeded in doing so in the most important game of this year's GAA calendar, hence we had our All Star goalkeeper keeping a seat in the stand warm whilst the big boys had there buddy between the posts.
koochie wrote: » Considering Tom Cunniffe's account of things, it is plausible to believe that the majority of players were influenced by a minority. T Cunniffe voted against H and C even tho he didn't have reason to do so. If a senior member of the squad voted against his own beliefs, can you imagine the pressure on the younger lads.
koochie wrote: » It seems many of us Mayo folk can't cope with self criticism and always look to the outside when things don't go our way. The issues are there, there is no point sweeping them under the carpet. It's time to take out the full length mirrors and stop running away.
ProudDUB wrote: » Where did I say that the Dublin footballers don't do plenty of press interviews? No where is where. What they don't do is wash any of their dirty linen in public, engage in any kind of rumour mongering, or issue pissed off tweets directed at their own county board, because their father didn't get the gig with the u21 set up. If Michael Daragh McAuley, Kevin McMennamon, or the Brogans are pissed off at Jim Gavin because they are spending too much time on the bench, we sure as heck ain't going to be reading about it in the papers, or on Boards. Same for Kieran Donaghy, Marc O'Se or James O'Donoghue in Kerry. Paid media handlers has eff all to do with that.
