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El Presidente Trump

Kermit.de.frog

It's happened folks. You are only waking up but it has happened. A genuine unstable idiot has become president of the US.

I will be asleep as you wake. But I will wake too and I will also think of the consequences and wonder is it a dream:eek:

It's not a dream.

It's real.

F**k

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A Little Pony

The hysteria will die down, once they come to terms that they lost and nothing they can do about it. Learn to live with it and stop crying about it like big babies.

Jimmy Garlic

maudgonner wrote: »

Did he threaten to leave the country if Trump won? He does have a track record of it...

Didn't hear him say that, but if there was a collection to send him into space to reconnect with zig and zag I'd contribute. I only tune in to Darcy for the comedy every now and again, the guy is a parody of himself, who takes him seriously?

GreenFolder2

Feels great knowing I voted for anti establishment candidate ready to #MAGA3X I voted for America today.🇺🇸

namloc1980 wrote: »

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Just one example. Look on twitter for voting selfie or ballot selfie. Plenty from all over the country. Yet to see one with just party name

Ah yes, those old blue blood anti-establishment billionaires who run for the Republican Party...

Vote Monty Burns - the people's champion!

Depp

GreenFolder2 wrote: »

You have to remember that the US is still largely stuck in a kind of evangelical christian time warp outside of the big urban centres and away from the coasts. I find a lot of US politicians still pander to it, in much the same way as 1960s/70s Irish centrists used to piously demonstrate how close to the church they were.

Even in Clinton's concession speech, she made references to scripture and you could tell it was all just a PR box ticking exercise.

I still don't see how it would justify voting Trump, but if you were a genuine centre left voter, I could see exactly how Clinton would be off putting. You can see how she didn't enthuse a lot of voters who would have gone for Bernie.

In an Irish context, she's more like a 1980s Fianna Failer,but so are most of the mainstream US politicians on the democratic side of the house. The republicans are closer to the DUP.

Ireland's actually moved on a huge amount over the last 20 years, where as the US political system really hasn't. It has areas of enlightenment but it's mostly a very different, far more religiously conservative culture than we have here these days.

Increasingly, I just find a lot of political culture in the US very alien and really regressive. We're definitely heading down two different tracks and perhaps had more in common 30+ years ago.

With Clinton though I just felt like it was a case of "I passionately believe in whatever it is you believe in!"

one question about this, while I'm by no means a devout catholic and disagree with a lot of religious opinions, do these people not deserve to have their voices heard in how their country is run? Isn't the liberal credo to love and respect people of all faiths? or is there an exemption for cases where said faith happens to be christianity?

maudgonner

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Ray Darcy compared Trump to Alan Partridge today, oh the irony. He then went on to insinuate that Trump is a psychopath. Was Darcy sound asleep while Clinton was busy orcracrating chaos in the Middle East? He's a very stupid man.

Did he threaten to leave the country if Trump won? He does have a track record of it...

Water John

With his debt to the coal mine owners who financed him, he will renege on Paris Accord.

Renegade Mechanic

Depp wrote: »

to be fair the rape case has been dropped as there wasn't a shred of reality to it, but that has been discussed here already so I wont go into it again. also the trump university case has very little meat to it and by all accounts is likely to be thrown out fairly quickly when it does make it to court

Rape case was thrown out!? Jaysus that's the first I've heard of it, whoops

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Manic Moran wrote: »

In the meantime, my FB feed is finally showing articles from sites like Huffington Post (like http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-democratic-party-deserves-to-die_us_58236ad5e4b0aac62488cde5 ) and Cracked ( http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/ ) which, had anyone been paying attention to what they were saying a few months ago, may possibly have resulted in a different electoral result. The BBC news website four months ago put the nail on the head when they actually visited Trump-prone areas, and it wasn't about racism or mysogeny ( http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36752237 ) . Even though these articles in no way defend Trump or his positions, they explain clearly why the Democrats lost. Shame nobody in the American media or DNC reads the BBC.

There seems to be a strange perception on the behalf of non-American right wing internet lurkers that Trump got elected because of all the things that are annoying them on the internet, that him being President is about 60% to do with transgender toilets or some shít.

I would go out on a limb and say people living hand to mouth in the Rust Belt and all over America were more concerned about the decimation of US manufacturing, their taxes, feeding their children and so on than they were about Gamergate. There's definitely an element of 'things would be better if everyone was white and English speaking again' but Trump did not get elected because people were sick of political correctness, he got elected because people were sick of being hungry, poor and with no possibility of social mobility. That vote was misguided IMO but I can see how in a bad system it seemed like the best option to a lot of people.

Renegade Mechanic

Laois_Man wrote: »

That's something that caught my attention in Trump's victory speech. He said he's here for the next 2 years or 3 years or 4 years or maybe even 8 years. Seemed a bizzare thing to say and I'm very surprised there hasn't been more commentary on it.

He's made noises about auditing and reforming the Federal Reserve, so even two years might be optimistic...

Widdershins

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Ray Darcy compared Trump to Alan Partridge today, oh the irony. He then went on to insinuate that Trump is a psychopath. Was Darcy sound asleep while Clinton was busy orcracrating chaos in the Middle East? He's a very stupid man.

He should stick to talking about IVF and leave out the shrill hyperbole.

Flint Fredstone

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Ray Darcy compared Trump to Alan Partridge today, oh the irony. He then went on to insinuate that Trump is a psychopath. Was Darcy sound asleep while Clinton was busy orcracrating chaos in the Middle East? He's a very stupid man.

Ah sure Ray will love him if he finds out about a bit of Irish ancestry.

Jimmy Garlic

Ray Darcy compared Trump to Alan Partridge today, oh the irony. He then went on to insinuate that Trump is a psychopath. Was Darcy sound asleep while Clinton was busy orcracrating chaos in the Middle East? He's a very stupid man.

Depp

namloc1980 wrote: »

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Just one example. Look on twitter for voting selfie or ballot selfie. Plenty from all over the country. Yet to see one with just party name

i see, just going on a video i posted several pages back about the malfuntioning machines in pa...video seemed to suggest the problem was with people who were just voting by party

namloc1980

Depp wrote: »

think i saw something about ballots having the party rather than the candidate

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Just one example. Look on twitter for voting selfie or ballot selfie. Plenty from all over the country. Yet to see one with just party name

Depp

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

You know, they still could put Hillary in if they badly enough wanted to. The electoral college votes on Dec19th, and it was the Republicans who actually united as candidates in a campaign against Trump, so it wouldn't be impossible that they simply give their vote to Hillary, to keep the status quo.

It's extremely unlikely, given the ****storm that will result, particularly given people's tantrums on the streets lately, but it's not impossible....
Keep in mind, Trump has court cases coming too, one over the University and one much more serious allegation of rape of a 13 year old in 94.

Worth bearing in mind.

to be fair the rape case has been dropped as there wasn't a shred of reality to it, but that has been discussed here already so I wont go into it again. also the trump university case has very little meat to it and by all accounts is likely to be thrown out fairly quickly when it does make it to court

Water John

That University thing, could work out quite dodgy for him.
I think the word, fraud, may get mentioned a number of times.

Laois_Man

Water John wrote: »

I think Laois Man, the truth of what you write is dawning on him already.

Richard Osman predicted last night that he won't last four years. He'll be pissed off after 2.

Wrong on Clinton. she is quite religous, Methodist, according to her biographer.

That's something that caught my attention in Trump's victory speech. He said he's here for the next 2 years or 3 years or 4 years or maybe even 8 years. Seemed a bizzare thing to say and I'm very surprised there hasn't been more commentary on it.

Renegade Mechanic

You know, they still could put Hillary in if they badly enough wanted to. The electoral college votes on Dec19th, and it was the Republicans who actually united as candidates in a campaign against Trump, so it wouldn't be impossible that they simply give their vote to Hillary, to keep the status quo.

It's extremely unlikely, given the ****storm that will result, particularly given people's tantrums on the streets lately, but it's not impossible....
Keep in mind, Trump has court cases coming too, one over the University and one much more serious allegation of rape of a 13 year old in 94.

Worth bearing in mind.

Dr Crayfish

I read today that some f*ckers in Sligo are already working on inviting the Vice, Mr Pence over, because he has some ancestry from there. Why do you do this? It's so pathetic.

Laois_Man

Water John wrote: »

I think Laois Man, the truth of what you write is dawning on him already.

Richard Osman predicted last night that he won't last four years. He'll be pissed off after 2.

Depp

namloc1980 wrote: »

Did your ballot have Clinton, Trump etc on it or the local Dem/Rep elector? I don't know how you can say you weren't voting for the President.

think i saw something about ballots having the party rather than the candidate

namloc1980

Manic Moran wrote: »

When I went to the polls on Tuesday, I was not voting for a President.

Did your ballot have Clinton, Trump etc on it or the local Dem/Rep elector? I don't know how you can say you weren't voting for the President.

Water John

I think Laois Man, the truth of what you write is dawning on him already.

Richard Osman predicted last night that he won't last four years. He'll be pissed off after 2.

Wrong on Clinton. she is quite religous, Methodist, according to her biographer.

GreenFolder2

lawlolawl wrote: »

"Gee, i wonder why people didn't vote for Hillary"

You have to remember that the US is still largely stuck in a kind of evangelical christian time warp outside of the big urban centres and away from the coasts. I find a lot of US politicians still pander to it, in much the same way as 1960s/70s Irish centrists used to piously demonstrate how close to the church they were.

Even in Clinton's concession speech, she made references to scripture and you could tell it was all just a PR box ticking exercise.

I still don't see how it would justify voting Trump, but if you were a genuine centre left voter, I could see exactly how Clinton would be off putting. You can see how she didn't enthuse a lot of voters who would have gone for Bernie.

In an Irish context, she's more like a 1980s Fianna Failer,but so are most of the mainstream US politicians on the democratic side of the house. The republicans are closer to the DUP.

Ireland's actually moved on a huge amount over the last 20 years, where as the US political system really hasn't. It has areas of enlightenment but it's mostly a very different, far more religiously conservative culture than we have here these days.

Increasingly, I just find a lot of political culture in the US very alien and really regressive. We're definitely heading down two different tracks and perhaps had more in common 30+ years ago.

With Clinton though I just felt like it was a case of "I passionately believe in whatever it is you believe in!"

Laois_Man

People worrying over the US cutting corporation tax to 15℅ need to calm the ferk down. Obama promised similar 8 years ago (when Democrats controlled all facets of US government, the white house, the senate and the house). He wasn't able to do it and Trump won't either.

The US government are projected to make half a TRILKION dollars in Corporation tax in 2017. Cutting the rate from 35% to between 15% and 20℅ firstly wipes out a quarter of a trillion in income instantly. Secondly, while they would have more companies paying the lower rate to make up some of the shortfall, it would take years for this trickle down effect to be seen. For a man who has been only elected for 4 years, thats no good when he has to pay for new roads, bridges, hospitals, prisons, double the size of the US military, upgrade all their equipment etc etc all while not only eliminating borrowing, but actually cutting the national debt. It's fantasy government game.

Thirdly, federal corporation tax is only part of US corporation tax. There's also variable state level corporate tax. When you add it all together, even the fed rates cut in half (which won't happen), the us taxation level for corporations is still significantly higher than ours.

A Battered Mars Bar

I have a massive erection for Trump right now. The world is a much brighter place since Nov. 8th. Since Bush the world descended into chaos, ISIS grew, the ECB clenched it's fist around Ireland. Everything seems better now. Anything is possible. Greatness is inside you and inside me waiting to burst out like a skittles rainbow.

Manic Moran

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Give me one strong, democratic argument against a popular vote.

The fact that you're asking the question is a reflection of a lack of understanding of the nature of the US. Stop thinking of it as a single country like Ireland and start thinking of it as a federation of independent, sovereign states with their own Constitutions, governments, legal systems, etc, like the EU. You'll see that the European Parliament works on the same basis, smaller countries have more 'weight' per voter than the larger ones. The President is the President of the States, not the President of the Collective People of the USA. When I went to the polls on Tuesday, I was not voting for a President. I was voting to tell my State who they wanted to lead the united body of States. In this, my vote in urban Alameda County counted just as much (or as little) as suburban Amador County. It is fair and equal. Just as when you vote for an MEP, your vote counts the same as anyone else's at the national level, but things become a bit disproportionate at the EU level.

The Electoral College is a compromise. Perhaps an imperfect one, but just like the EU parliament, is an attempt to reconcile and balance the fact that the bodies which make up the larger organisation are of equal value and dignity, with the fairness that comes from acknowledging that some States have far more population than others. We get the exact same number EC electoral votes per state as we have Representatives in the House of Congress. If you can come up with a better way of reconciling this, I'm all ears. Personally, I think the solution lies not with the electoral college itself, but with the manner in which the candidates are chosen. For example, I would like to see open primaries, and the transferrable vote implemented. I strongly doubt it will happen, as it would mean the big parties would be torpedoing themselves.

In the meantime, my FB feed is finally showing articles from sites like Huffington Post (like http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-democratic-party-deserves-to-die_us_58236ad5e4b0aac62488cde5 ) and Cracked ( http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/ ) which, had anyone been paying attention to what they were saying a few months ago, may possibly have resulted in a different electoral result. The BBC news website four months ago put the nail on the head when they actually visited Trump-prone areas, and it wasn't about racism or mysogeny ( http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36752237 ) . Even though these articles in no way defend Trump or his positions, they explain clearly why the Democrats lost. Shame nobody in the American media or DNC reads the BBC.

jackofalltrades

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I heard it phrased very well earlier on today.

Not everyone who voted for Trump is a bigot. But all the bigots voted for Trump.

It the same crap slogan that was repeated in the Brexit thread.
"Not everyone who voted for Brexit was a bigot. But all the bigots voted for Brexit."
It's a step above "Have you told your parents your gay yet?".

Billy86 wrote: »

Not too likely, and we wouldn't see a legit 3rd party contender for another few cycles of that repeating itself, but hey... here's hoping, because their two party system really is brutal.

They'd really benefit from changing their electoral system to one like ours.
They seem to be in a constant state of swapping between a President that one half of the country can't stand.
It would be great if Americans could vote for a 3rd/4th candidate without it being a wasted vote.
That said though the 3rd/4th party contenders were a bit of a shambles this time.

Ulysses Gaze

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

George Bush was a victory for non interventionists. America will always be dragged into world conflicts to protect its interests.

Have you read the PNAC report written by the group of Republicans that would be the cornerstone of the Bush Admin?

It's called Rebuilding America's Defences.

They were calling for Pre-Emptive strikes in that paper.

Hardly non-interventionists.

FA Hayek

Permabear wrote: »

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Hard to disagree with anything there. However, at the end of the day perhaps those who espoused economic liberalism have no-one else to blame rather then themselves.

Sure, in the grand scheme of things globalisation is a good thing. China is proof of that with the rise of a 400 million strong middle class. However, the losers seem to be those in the likes of Ohio and Yorkshire and more importantly they vote.

Next up will be France, can it be a hat trick of victories for the anti-free trade movement?