DukeOfTheSharp wrote: » Here's the big secret to how he got elected: 49.2% of the population didn't vote. Clinton won the popular vote, but the electoral college - an establishment set up to stop this very event from happening - failed, mostly due to the fact that the states can be redistributed by whoever is in power...in this case it was the Republican party. On top of that, the people who wanted to vote Sanders lost the plot and decided Hillary was the worst, most corrupt person ever, because of emails that didn't matter in the end. The head of the FBI unlawfully released more emails a week before the election (a law states that this can't happen within 60 days of the election) and a number of black voter registrations were raided by Trump's running mate Pence, who used 'voter fraud' as a reason...one which was totally and completely false. While some of those were restored, there's still an issue of black voters being turned away despite having their cards. The media treated Trump like a serious candidate despite his damning opinions on hispanics, blacks and women, but that doesn't matter because the overall votes that won him the election were from white people, and there were large numbers of white women who voted for him too. Let that sink in. Mix that in with whiny voter-apathy and a total lack of education, along with Fox News propaganda and other media outlets failing to fact-check Trump, and you had a smorgasbord of impossible odd that Hillary was facing. Add to that that she's a woman, and America is still fiercely in the grip of all the -isms you can imagine, and you basically have a roadmap to how an unstable moldy tangerine managed to pull this off, despite a lack of qualifications. Trump isn't anti-establishment; he's a failed businessman who made his wealth by declaring bankruptcy multiple times, putting thousands of working-class people out of work. He thrives from the establishment, and his only advantage was the KKK and white supremacist movement that backed him, with people literally standing outside of polling stations, armed with rifles to intimidate voters. He's the epitome of the toxic man, he appeals not to the angry 'forgotten' people of America, but to idiots, racists, sexists and xenophobes, who'd rather side with Putin's Russia than work to achieve a better country, which Obama was doing successfully. For those who don't think it'll effect Ireland; he plans to abolish the J1 program for colleges, so Irish students will have even less of an ability to get employment and experience. But sure, they're only the youth, who cares about them? Not to mention the fact that when he lowers corporate tax, Irish-based companies will jump ship, as they always do, to a cheaper prospect. End of the day, I still maintain that the enemies of progress are those in the 35 to old age voting demographic of any nation. Doesn't matter that baby boomers wrecked the economy, when they want things to regress, they'll mobilize in droves, while apathetic non-voters and third party 'protesters' will add to the issue. While I'm not saying all 35+ year olds are conservative nightmares, the fact is that if you are a liberal at that age, you're surrounded by the conservative sharks who see progression as chum. The issue now is that Americans have to be mindful of white voters and 'edgy' protesters who use the right to vote as a means of being rebellious, despite the effect their actions can have on everyone else. Much like Brexit, where people felt 'disenfranchised' and pissed away their votes, bad things can happen when you don't step up, due to selfish pride. There's a lot of fear going around because Trump's conservative party consists of a VP who believes he can electroshock 'the gay' out of teens, the call for mass Muslim deportation and calling hispanics rapists, and black people 'thugs', and the fact that today, the KKK were literally walking around in full conehead garb. Women are being sexually assaulted by psychotics who feel empowered by Trump's presidency, taking to heart his 'grab her by the p*ssy' comments. Five trans teens, upon hearing the election outcome, died by suicide because they felt hopeless, given the bathroom bills all but assured to come into effect in the future. Trans-only suicide hotlines have been set up too. How messed up is that? This makes me fear for Ireland's future, given how parties like the AAA are sitting in their smug sense of satisfaction, saying Bernie Sanders was the right choice (he's Jewish, he wouldn't have won) and lauding the benefits of socialism...despite the fact that Ireland voted in two parties they wanted deposed in two subsequent elections. We're being led by the least among us, and if we're going to be competitive and considered better than America (the bar is pretty low now) we need to take the one-two craphouse of Brexit and Trump as a warning here. I hope we do, I doubt we will, but today is a bad day for everyone.
learn_more wrote: » This election was wrapped up when Trump won the nomination. Sadly to say. I'm not sure if Bernie would have done any better. I never got the hate for Hillary. I've always quite liked her but of course I know her problems were more than likeability. Her concession speech was probably the best speech I ever saw her make. It's a pity she's wasn't equipped with talent for speeches and philosophical one liners, where she had to borrow of Michele Obama. I think she's as genuine a politician as any politician and a lot better than most. Really sour day for me today. I usually enjoy big election nights but last night was just a nighmare. I can't stomach the idea of seeing Trump as president for the next 4 years , no mind 8.
tomwaterford wrote: » its pretty big news imo they can hardly complain when they knew system of voting beforehand??? if they want.....let them change it to a popular vote??
midlandsmissus wrote: » Hilary Clinton- the fifth person to win the popular vote but lose the Electoral vote, the last being Al Gore who won the popular vote , but lost the Electoral vote to George Bush. I've been reading up about the Electoral vote. It is interesting. It was introduced to even out the field. Hilary got more votes overall but she got them in a smaller amount of states with large populations e.g. California and New York. More states voted for Trump.I suppose this system was introduced because the larger populated states have always been generally pro one party, is that correct? But more individuals voted for Hilary. What do people think of the system?
BorneTobyWilde wrote: » They twisted the message He did a u turn long ago on Muslim ban And only said illegal mexican who are drug dealers and rapist are out . Media turned him against all groups by twisting words
Infini2 wrote: » Honestly I doubt he'll even last 4 years after all the crap that got him in. He's a throughbred arsehole through and through and not someone who's likely to last when push comes to shove. To be honest I would seriously be surprised if someone doesn't assassinate him. He's gone out of his way to alienate as many people as possible and really open some really nasty wounds that make people do crazy stuff expecially if he starts going off on crazy ideas like his campaign might suggest.
Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: » It's a relic of the days when the president wasn't actually chosen by the people but by state governments. They sent electors who picked the president.
Deleted User wrote: » A hig story but not news. And people complain about the electoral college when it doesn't suit.. The fact is she took 56 electoral votes from California, nearly a quarter of her total. In terms of the popular vote, California gave her like a tenth of her total.
Grayson wrote: » Don't know if it's been mentioned yet but here's where Trump outlined his first 100 days.http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days?
NIMAN wrote: » What is it with people who only accept democracy when its the result they want?
Depp wrote: » ill agree ''numbers stations'' are definitely creepy but i highly doubt more sophisticated communications haven't been developed for actual agents.
AllGunsBlazing wrote: » Mostly white, middle-class millennials who have been raised to think that the sun shines from their arse. Think Veruca Salt from the Willy Wonka movie.
FatherTed wrote: » You're right for the most part. The election says more about Clinton that it does Trump: Obama 2008: 69,498,516 Obama 2012: 65,915,795 Clinton 2016: 59,861,516 McCain 2008: 59,948,323 Romney 2012: 60,933,504 Trump: 2016: 59,639,462
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » I wonder do they understand the difference between being respectful of the democratic system which provided the result, while simultaneously disagreeing vehemently with the result? Because you sure as hell don't seem to.
DukeOfTheSharp wrote: » It also says a lot about Sanders supporters and Sanders himself. For all the bluster about change, he was really only a cult of personality candidate; once he was out, people lost interest, voted for Trump or voted for a third party candidate. Clinton got the crap end of the stick, was scrutinized unfairly, more than Trump was, and Sanders didn't rally his people behind her quick enough. The low voter turnout was awful for her too, and I think that in general it was the Sanders delusion that caused so much trouble. People don't care about policies, they care about the person, Sanders talked a big game, but never had any substance, Clinton did her homework and was qualified, but failed to reach her goal because of Sanders, electoral college and her gender. It's sad to say, but the idea of 'people power' only goes so far once you remove the personality in front of the ideology. It's the paradox of the political system, it's all flash, and any substance is lost to those blinded by it.
Deleted User wrote: » Such tripe. You blamed everything but her when she lost only because of her. No one else. Blaming Sanders? Get a grip.
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » Clinton didn't do much wrong. She simply didn't do what was right to win this election. And I think, in the grand scheme of things, she will be happier she didn't, when you look at what Trump had to do to win i.e. the division he promoted in his speeches. The hate. She was held to a higher standard by the electorate. And she held herself to a higher standard. If she wanted to win, she probably needed to sink to Trump's level of rhetoric. And no doubt if she had, she would have been pilloried even more so than already by all sides. Too many people wanted Trump. Let's not forget, he also fended off a whole host of reasonably capable Republican candidates too. It's not Hillary's fault she also lost to him. The country wanted Trump. They got him.
Deleted User wrote: » Explain her abysmal trustworthiness ratings. I'm interested in seeing how you'll tie it in with what you've posted so far.
TheOven wrote: » But it's just millennials, it's still ok to hate them.
learn_more wrote: » This is just total nonsense. When was her 'trustworthiness' ever been called into question before she ran for president. Imagine if the media went after every senators 'trustworthiness'. We'd never hear the end of it.
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » Clinton didn't do much wrong. She simply didn't do what was right to win this election.
Deleted User wrote: » Nonsense? I just want her supporters to explain how it dropped steadily during the election.
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