Louise O Neill on rape culture.

py2006 wrote: »

These deluded feminists throwing the rape culture term around are dangerous and should be avoided. To me these are the kind of women that would accuse men of all sorts at the drop of a hat.

By all means criticise them online but if you know one in your circle avoid like the plague.

Vile, deluded and dangerous.

That's funny, I've heard many men describe feminists like that too.

Hmmm. Who's right?

If I say fathers4justice are deluded idiots, does that make them deluded idiots, or does that make me...abusive?

py2006

At the end of the day rape happens, it's awful and the numbers are far too high. One is too high.

Using that as evidence of a 'culture' which aside from being used to demonise men is completely deluded, inappropriate, offensive and speak volumes about modern day feminism.

Avoid.

midlandsmissus wrote: »

From the last study:

The rate of convictions in 2013 for all of those charged with rape was just 19%, but the rate for those who actually contested the charges was less than 7%.

Any thoughts on this?

My thoughts are there were 35 rape convictions in 2014 and you are telling me it's commonplace.
Is murder common in Ireland? We have more than 50 a year. Murder culture, yeah?

midlandsmissus wrote: »

From the last study:

The rate of convictions in 2013 for all of those charged with rape was just 19%, but the rate for those who actually contested the charges was less than 7%.

Any thoughts on this?

Can you give a breakdown of those cases, what the evidence was, etc? We have a series of figures but zero on the cases themselves. Are you asking for automatic conviction here, or what?

The Specialist

midlandsmissus wrote: »

That's a dangerous and frankly frightening comment to make.

No it's not, it's a cold truth. This generation is a patethic breed, offended by every slight, on a perpetual mission to be somehow the victim of every mean word or action the world throws at them. This generation has no balls (forgive the pun) and is mollycoddled in to believing they are so special that they should never be offended or afraid. **** generation snowflake, every last ****in one of them.

py2006

midlandsmissus wrote: »

That's funny, I've heard many men describe feminists like that too.

Hmmm. Who's right?

If I say fathers4justice are deluded idiots, does that make them deluded idiots, or does that make me...abusive?

I just don't know what to say to that.

Troll?

osmiumartist wrote: »

My thoughts are there were 35 rape convictions in 2014 and you are telling me it's commonplace.
Is murder common in Ireland? We have more than 50 a year. Murder culture, yeah?

35 rape convictions out of 567 rape cases.

FortySeven

midlandsmissus wrote: »

That's a dangerous and frankly frightening comment to make.

What is frightening is your lack of ability to critically analyze the evidence presented to you. You appear to be so entrenched in your position that the weight of evidence stacking up against your claims is blind to you in the red mist of your own argument.

I'd just like to add that rape is not just a woman's issue. Let us not forget that quite a portion of those rape convictions will be for the statutory rape of boys.

Never hear a whisper about that from the feminist side.

midlandsmissus wrote: »

35 rape convictions out of 567 rape cases.

Yes, we get it. Case = guilty.
Who needs that silly "conviction" bit. Silly old "innocent until proven guilty" malarkey.

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midlandsmissus wrote: »

35 rape convictions out of 567 rape cases.

You do realise that this figure you're giving most likely shows that many of those cases were, in fact, not rapes. Ched Evans case comes to mind. Just because someone accuses someone, doesn't make it so. That's a point to take on board before trying to dazzle people with cold hard numbers.

FortySeven wrote: »

What is frightening is your lack of ability to critically analyze the evidence presented to you. You appear to be so entrenched in your position that the weight of evidence stacking up against your claims is blind to you in the red mist of your own argument.

I'd just like to add that rape is not just a woman's issue. Let us not forget that quite a portion of those rape convictions will be for the statutory rape of boys.

Never hear a whisper about that from the feminist side.

It;s funny how everyone sees it about the other side, isn't it, and can't see it about themselves.:)

eviltwin

midlandsmissus wrote: »

35 rape convictions out of 567 rape cases.

Rape is extremely difficult to prove. Most rape occurs within the context of a relationship, it's one person's word against another, people who you could reasonably expect will be sexually intimate....how do you prove that?

Omackeral wrote: »

You do realise that this figure you're giving most likely shows that many of those cases were, in fact, not rapes. Ched Evans case comes to mind. Just because someone accuses someone, doesn't make it so. That's a point to take on board before trying to dazzle people with cold hard numbers.

I put it out there along with the corresponding statistic, that studies have shown that Ireland has the lowest rate of rape convictions amongst all EU member states.

There is something to be improved on there.

py2006

I think we are wasting our time with the Louise supporter here. Possibly even a troll. Let's get back to OP?

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I put it out there along with the corresponding statistic, that studies have shown that Ireland has the lowest rate of rape convictions amongst all EU member states.

There is something to be improved on there.

What do you suggest? Lowering the standard of proof?

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FortySeven wrote: »

What is frightening is your lack of ability to critically analyze the evidence presented to you. You appear to be so entrenched in your position that the weight of evidence stacking up against your claims is blind to you in the red mist of your own argument.

I'd just like to add that rape is not just a woman's issue. Let us not forget that quite a portion of those rape convictions will be for the statutory rape of boys.

Never hear a whisper about that from the feminist side.

Oh no but you're forgetting this.

mzungu wrote: »

The definition of rape culture and what it entails is a society that "fosters and encourages rape by instructing citizens that it is normal and natural for sexual relations to involve aggressive behavior on the part of males." (Barnet, Sligar & Wang 2016)

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I put it out there along with the corresponding statistic, that studies have shown that Ireland has the lowest rate of rape convictions amongst all EU member states.

There is something to be improved on there.

I've the feeling we're in for a long night.
So, you're going to just pick any number you like really and tell me that's the rape incidence rate and that makes it commonplace? That's the gist of this, yeah?

py2006 wrote: »

I think we are wasting our time with the Louise supporter here. Possibly even a troll. Let's get back to OP?

Silly little post.

osmiumartist wrote: »

I've the feeling we're in for a long night.
So, you're going to just pick any number you like really and tell me that's the rape incidence rate and that makes it commonplace? That's the gist of this, yeah?

Did I pick that number? Sorry, I thought I quoted a study.

mzungu wrote: »

What do you suggest? Lowering the standard of proof?

Increasing the standards of our country in this area.

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Did I pick that number? Sorry, I thought I quoted a study.

No, you quoted us the number of court cases and then kinda trailed off when your were asked if you expect people to assume the are all automatically guilty.
Which is where we still are.

FortySeven

midlandsmissus wrote: »

It;s funny how everyone sees it about the other side, isn't it, and can't see it about themselves.:)

No. It is not surprising. Boys need help in todays society. Almost every indicator points to girls doing better in many, many areas. Most important to me would be education. I fear for the future for my son if your particular brand of feminism is allowed to foster within the western world.

Mothers want the best for their sons. Feminisits (modern ones) appear to view their own offspring as a future, potential threat.

It's ****ing scary.

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Increasing the standards of our country in this area.

Can you explain what you mean by "standards of our country", please?

You said:

Ireland has the lowest rate of rape convictions amongst all EU member states.

There is something to be improved on there.

I took this to mean you wished to have a larger conviction rate?

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Increasing the standards of our country in this area.

Hang on. Just to check here...

Case = court case to determine guilt of a rape accusation.
or
Case = case of rape.

You have some inkling of the difference, yeah?

The Specialist

mzungu wrote: »

Can you explain what you mean by "standards of our country", please?

You said:

I took this to mean you wished to have a larger conviction rate?

She means women to be believed above all common sense or judicial procedures, if you're a white male and get falsely accused of rape, just deal with it and move on if you're subsequently found innocent. That's the feminist mindset.

eviltwin

I think what we need is more effective sentencing not necessarily more convictions.

FortySeven

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Increasing the standards of our country in this area.

You see. I completely agree with this comment. Perhaps stop spending your energy on these ridiculous debates on consent and 'rape culture' and get the **** out there and canvass your local TD. Protest. Join a political group or a charity. Try to resolve it.

Ulysses Gaze

eviltwin wrote: »

I think what we need is more effective sentencing not necessarily more convictions.

And in the case of rape and aggravated sexual assault/battery, an end to the madness of concurrent sentencing for offences.

If there are three charges and a person is guilty of all three, make them serve three consecutive sentences.