Goodshape wrote: » MGTOW? Regardless, it's a vastly male dominated society. I'd challenge you to demonstrate otherwise. Personally while I don't feel I'm "dropping out" by any means whatsoever, and I think some of your examples are extreme or cherry picked, I am happy to accommodate efforts to even things out.
maregal wrote: » MGTOW = Men Go Their Own Way. It's when men live their lives without centering them around women or "chasing tail". You'll find you're much more productive and happier this way, in my opinion. Are you familiar with the term Hikikomori? Young Japanese men aren't having sex anymore (birth rates are extremely low) instead preferring to lock themselves in their room to play vidya and watch anime. In extreme cases, some men haven't left their room in years. What can drive a man to do such a thing, against their natural inclinations to find a mate, other than a society that hates them?
maregal wrote: » I'd like this thread to discuss the reasons why men are dropping out of society and foregoing women rather than discuss whether it's a good or bad thing. Last time a poster espoused the merits of the MGTOW movement the angry feminists brigaded the forum and forced the thread closure. It's amusing how offended they get as a group when one single man declares he's not interested in them. To keep the OP brief I'll list off some oft-suggested reasons and hopefully we can expand on them in the discussion. Marriage is seen as a temporary arrangement these days rather than permanent. Men always lose out in the divorce. Look what the alimony payments did to Robin Williams. A good job is hard to find. Everything is an internship, short contract or a dead end McJob. Employment quotas favour women and minorities. Pornography making men docile? Education system favours the female brain. Universities are packed with more females than males. SJW and politically correct dogma is shoved down your throat at these institutions. Men being demonized. Grown man holding hands with his child in the public park = pedophile. Have consensual sex with a girl but she changes her mind the next day = rapist. Men are constantly fighting back their natural urge to rape and commit violence apparently. I've a few more hypotheses but that should be enough to get the ball rolling.
somefeen wrote: » No We have our problems sure but we aren't dropping out of society. Men are still well represented pretty much everywhere, even with any deliberate effort to diversify. If you only look at extreme cases such as what you have highlighted then you might think so. The bigger picture is very different
Ted111 wrote: » maregal that sounds a bit weak and self-pitying. I'm not trying to be offensive. You or anyone else who thinks like that needs to develop a stronger mind set.
maregal wrote: »
maregal wrote: » Are you familiar with the termHikikomori? Young Japanese men aren't having sex anymore (birth rates are extremely low) instead preferring to lock themselves in their room to play vidya and watch anime. In extreme cases, some men haven't left their room in years.
maregal wrote: » @orubiru: why do you think men are dropping out of society?
intheclouds wrote: » OP I really think you need to get professional help. You are absolutely obsessed with everyone hating you, and have constructed some weird iron pill fantasy to as a defensive move against that misconception and seem to have now convinced yourself that society hates all men. Theres a lot of hate and bitterness, you really need to speak to someone qualified to deal with these kinds of issues.
maregal wrote: » Smear your opponent as mentally ill and you can dismiss his arguments. Disgusting tactic. The writing is on the wall. Male unemployment is up. Male suicide is up. Divorces are up. Males entering college is down. Anecdotally, the amount of guys in their mid 20s still living at home, single, and unemployed or working a dead end minimum wage job is staggering. Spend a few minutes reading the threads in this forum. It wasn't like this 20 years ago where a young educated man could get earn a decent wage straight out of college and buy a home to raise a family. I'm trying to ignite a discussion as to what has changed but it's being constantly derailed by smears aimed at myself.
maregal wrote: » "Man up and grow some balls". Great advice.
Ted111 wrote: » I didn't tell you to man up. I told you to be mentally stronger. It's more dignified and you'll do better in every aspect of life.
maregal wrote: » No need to worry about me friend. Long ago I decided I was done with women and I've never been happier. I enjoy reading, going to the gym and traveling with all my spare time and cash. More time to dedicate to my career also. It's amazing how much your standard of living improves once you remove women from their pedestal.
Owryan wrote: » Women are just as much affected by the jobs situation.
maregal wrote: No need to worry about me friend. Long ago I decided I was done with women and I've never been happier. I enjoy reading, going to the gym and traveling with all my spare time and cash. More time to dedicate to my career also. It's amazing how much your standard of living improves once you remove women from their pedestal.
BrianD3 wrote: » No, they're not. As a result of hypergamy, lack of income/resources/status affects men much more than it affects women. Also, as the OP says, if there is a gender quota (either official or unofficial) in place in a workplace it is invariably going to favour women, not men. Doesn't particularly affect me - I'm nearly 40 and have plenty of money and a house with no mortgage. I'm stuck in something of a rut in my career but still have a secure job with an above average salary. Physically I'm in great shape. I have no plans to enter a long term relationship or get married. I regularly get young girls in their early-mid 20s flirting with me. Whenever I read articles relating to employment and careers in the print media the topic is usually one of the following -celebrating the fact that a woman has become a CEO or started her own successful company -complaining about there not being enough female CEOs Men and the issues that affect thousands of men are generally ignored. I look forward to reading an article along the lines of the following: -young man of 18 comes from a family that is not well off and can't afford to "have him on the payroll" after this age and his parents hope that he can move out -he doesn't want to live at home anyway as he'll get people (women) mocking him as a loser who lives with his mammy -whether he decides to go to third level education or not he must get a job either part time or full time -he struggles badly to get a job -rent prices are absurd -he could move to somewhere with cheaper rents (eg Longford, Leitrim) but there are even fewer jobs there and public transport is crap so he'll need a car. Car insurance prices are absurd, even getting driving lessons is a major financial strain. -girls his age are paying attention to older men with jobs and money and ignoring him as he's a "loser" who doesn't have a car and the latest iPhone. Scenarios such as above added to the availability of MGTOW and red pill websites may contribute to men dropping out of society. And obviously I haven't even mentioned other stuff like "rape culture", manning up, teaching men not to rape, consent classes in university etc.
