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What is going on in our schools?

Oldtrope

I live in a very rural part of Ireland as many of you know, the village I live in can have no more than 500 homes in the surrounding area.

This morning I took my Granddaughter to school, its her first year and she is junior Infants. What I witnessed was shocking and upsetting.

The classroom was nicely laid out but everywhere I looked foreign words were displayed all over the walls with pictures of flags and their name in their language. For Ireland the words were wrote in English, no Gaelige anywhere.

I enjoy talking to some of the other parents as I have done in the past when I took one of my grandsons to the school in the past, today was much different. Nearly every mother I spoke too were foreign, I encountered a lot of Eastern Europeans, a few Brazilians, and some English. If I had to put a number on it I would say the majority of the classroom had foreign children with only a small percentage of Irish children.

I waited to speak to the teacher, I wanted to know why Ireland was represented in English and not Gaelige. When she arrived she was welcoming and appeared almost happy someone had finally asked her the question. She told me that because the majority of the classroom could speak very little English they had to use their own languages to welcome them and make them feel at home, English was the 2nd language that all children must learn and so even Irish has to be represented in English. They do still teach Irish as part of the curriculum, but it is only taught at the bare minimum acceptance level as it was no use to the classroom because the majority of the children had been exempted by the school governors and the department of Education.

I asked her why were there so many non Irish children, she replied to me that if I thought this was bad then I should look at the bigger towns and Cities where the problem was far worse.

This is madness, we are losing our cultural heritage and now our children are minorities in their own schools and suffering because of it.

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Annasopra

Good one op

Never would have spotted

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101389130

RayCun

meeeeh wrote: »

Anyway I'll eat my umbrella if there is rural village in Ireland with majority of foreign population.

And if, for the sake of argument there was a town of 500 people, majority immigrant, what do you think would happen if those immigrants weren't there? The town would be dead on its arse, no school, no shops, no future

munster87

Oldtrope wrote: »

I live in a very rural part of Ireland as many of you know, the village I live in can have no more than 500 homes in the surrounding area.

This morning I took my Granddaughter to school, its her first year and she is junior Infants. What I witnessed was shocking and upsetting.

The classroom was nicely laid out but everywhere I looked foreign words were displayed all over the walls with pictures of flags and their name in their language. For Ireland the words were wrote in English, no Gaelige anywhere.

I enjoy talking to some of the other parents as I have done in the past when I took one of my grandsons to the school in the past, today was much different. Nearly every mother I spoke too were foreign, I encountered a lot of Eastern Europeans, a few Brazilians, and some English. If I had to put a number on it I would say the majority of the classroom had foreign children with only a small percentage of Irish children.

I waited to speak to the teacher, I wanted to know why Ireland was represented in English and not Gaelige. When she arrived she was welcoming and appeared almost happy someone had finally asked her the question. She told me that because the majority of the classroom could speak very little English they had to use their own languages to welcome them and make them feel at home, English was the 2nd language that all children must learn and so even Irish has to be represented in English. They do still teach Irish as part of the curriculum, but it is only taught at the bare minimum acceptance level as it was no use to the classroom because the majority of the children had been exempted by the school governors and the department of Education.

I asked her why were there so many non Irish children, she replied to me that if I thought this was bad then I should look at the bigger towns and Cities where the problem was far worse.

This is madness, we are losing our cultural heritage and now our children are minorities in their own schools and suffering because of it.

The only reason I remembered was because you were such a great host at the April Klan meeting

zSparc

I can't help but just wanted to say this:
When my son moved to Ireland donkeys years ago he was 4. His entire education took place in Ireland. Most culture and history he has learned and knows now is Irish. His English, accent, vocabulary is light years ahead of his "native" language. He used to play Irish music in an Irish band (tin whistle). He used to be best pupil to speak Irish in the class. He's great at science, mainly physics and chemistry, he's a great, quiet guy and a good friend to others (Irish or not).
By the looks of things in future he's gonna be a great contribution to the Irish society and will probably have a good job and will be paying a fair bit of tax, of which some "permanently unemployed" Irish will benefit too, I suppose.

If any old fart has a problem with it, then tough sh*t - get over it.

meeeeh

RayCun wrote: »

And if, for the sake of argument there was a town of 500 people, majority immigrant, what do you think would happen if those immigrants weren't there? The town would be dead on its arse, no school, no shops, no future

No I think all immigrants are terrible. They should be all sent to the whatever hole they crawled from.

On another note my English must be getting better since I am getting lectures on benefits of immigration.

BuffyBot

BabyE wrote: »

We do need to keep our heritage in the wake of an increasingly global world. The richness of our worldwide future culture depends on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV0ozgSrFM0

razorblunt

I can tell by the way you use Gaeilge and not "Irish" that you are indeed serious about this injustice.

Do you have a newsletter?
Where would one sign up?

[Deleted User]

The OP was taken from Political Irish,

Not sure if the same poster, but its a complete copy and paste

http://www.politicalirish.com/threads/the-invasion-and-plantation-of-ireland.1359/page-15#post-70143

Fleawuss

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Good one op

Never would have spotted

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101389130

Hahahaha. I note the addition of the rainbow to the OP for cosmetic purposes! Sad to see some groups have their twisted agenda promoted on Boards with accounts like this. It's a real trend now.

Grayson

redunited wrote: »

The OP was taken from Political Irish,

Not sure if the same poster, but its a complete copy and paste

http://www.politicalirish.com/threads/the-invasion-and-plantation-of-ireland.1359/page-15#post-70143

I figured it was a copy and paste. Starting a post with "I live in a very rural part of Ireland as many of you know" when you have a post count of 1 is weird.

Harvey Normal wrote: »

Gort Co Galway.

40% Brazilian at one stage.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gort

Does that mean that they only shaved one side?

Skommando

the usual troll bait, and you all fell for it, hoping like mad it was real

hawthorne

Politicalirish.com is fascist dung-heap. Full of xenophobic gobshytes....

HellSquirrel

the usual troll bait, and you all fell for it, hoping like mad it was real

omg, you saw through it immediately, you genius, you!

Or on the other hand, everyone else who pointed it out were just bored and decided to contribute. Mostly in taking the piss.

Grandeeod

Skommando wrote: »

the usual troll bait, and you all fell for it, hoping like mad it was real

That's why I thanked the OP. Brilliant and even more brilliant to watch the reaction. Maybe we could have a real debate about it someday. But I must say that I live in an area that isn't affected by any of this.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Grandeeod wrote: »

That's why I thanked the OP. Brilliant and even more brilliant to watch the reaction. Maybe we could have a real debate about it someday. But I must say that I live in an area that isn't affected by any of this.

If there's one topic that's been done to death on this forum, it's the Irish lanaguge in schools.

Grayson

hawthorne wrote: »

Politicalirish.com is fascist dung-heap. Full of xenophobic gobshytes....

Seems to be a "safespace" for people with far right views.

[Deleted User]

SuperGrover wrote: »

Cultural heritage? Like learning Báidín Fheilimí under threat of a beating from a bitter old nun? That type of thing? Good riddance. May it burn to the ground.

My kids go to a school with others from various backgrounds, where the emphasis is on education in a happy and supportive atmosphere.

They'll never know what a miserable schooling a lot of us had and that's fine by me.

Jesus, I've not heard Báidín Fheilimí in about 30 years. If I dont hear it referenced for another 30 years I'll be happy as Larry.

Grandeeod

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

If there's one topic that's been done to death on this forum, it's the Irish lanaguge in schools.

Ah no! I was talking about the OPs feelings towards Irish kids feeling like they are in a minority in school. That would be a mad debate here!

Grayson

Grandeeod wrote: »

Ah no! I was talking about the OPs feelings towards Irish kids feeling like they are in a minority in school. That would be a mad debate here!

To be fair, they are very short.

mansize

ArtSmart

Oldtrope wrote: »

I live in a very rural part of Ireland as many of you know, the village I live in can have no more than 500 homes in the surrounding area.

This morning I took my Granddaughter to school, its her first year and she is junior Infants. What I witnessed was shocking and upsetting.

The classroom was nicely laid out but everywhere I looked foreign words were displayed all over the walls with pictures of flags and their name in their language. For Ireland the words were wrote in English, no Gaelige anywhere.

I enjoy talking to some of the other parents as I have done in the past when I took one of my grandsons to the school in the past, today was much different. Nearly every mother I spoke too were foreign, I encountered a lot of Eastern Europeans, a few Brazilians, and some English. If I had to put a number on it I would say the majority of the classroom had foreign children with only a small percentage of Irish children.

I waited to speak to the teacher, I wanted to know why Ireland was represented in English and not Gaelige. When she arrived she was welcoming and appeared almost happy someone had finally asked her the question. She told me that because the majority of the classroom could speak very little English they had to use their own languages to welcome them and make them feel at home, English was the 2nd language that all children must learn and so even Irish has to be represented in English. They do still teach Irish as part of the curriculum, but it is only taught at the bare minimum acceptance level as it was no use to the classroom because the majority of the children had been exempted by the school governors and the department of Education.

I asked her why were there so many non Irish children, she replied to me that if I thought this was bad then I should look at the bigger towns and Cities where the problem was far worse.

This is madness, we are losing our cultural heritage and now our children are minorities in their own schools and suffering because of it.

Leaving aside, well so many aspects of your post, I think you're missing the bigger picture.

Rural schools CLOSE if the student numbers aren't there.

your grandchild is able to go to a nearby primary school because of there other nationalities now living in the area.

As for your Granddaughter suffering, I'm not seeing it. Lack of Irish, well not every school offers Irish, and not every school does it right. Surely you and others could teach her, it's it's that important to you?

I'm sure your Granddaughter only sees potential friends, most of whom will speak with Irish accents when she is a teen.

dav3

Grandeeod wrote: »

That's why I thanked the OP. Brilliant and even more brilliant to watch the reaction. Maybe we could have a real debate about it someday. But I must say that I live in an area that isn't affected by any of this.

You want to have a real debate about an imaginary conversation the OP had with him/herself? Knock yourself out.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Grandeeod wrote: »

Ah no! I was talking about the OPs feelings towards Irish kids feeling like they are in a minority in school. That would be a mad debate here!

You do realise the OP was a cut and paste from another website, was a first post, and most likely designed to just take the Pee?

Grandeeod

dav3 wrote: »

You want to have a real debate about an imaginary conversation the OP had with him/herself? Knock yourself out.

Seriously? You are a better twister than anything I ever saw in Kansas.

BabyE

Harvey Normal wrote: »

Sure. Replaced by American ideologies on multiculturalism and British prole culture. A culture midway between Nashville, San Jose, and old Trafford. Not worth saving.

Pity because who knows what a Gaelic culture would have produced if we had reached 40M people.

We can wish

Grandeeod

Nolan Yummy Notch wrote: »

You do realise the OP was a cut and paste from another website, was a first post, and most likely designed to just take the Pee?

YUP! Does it negate the point from debate?

ArtSmart

Harvey Normal wrote: »

There definitely a village in Galway or somewhere which was majority Brazilian.

Gort or thereabouts. The mix described sounds like a place tween Gort and County Clare.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Grandeeod wrote: »

YUP! Does it negate the point from debate?

What's the debate?. Is Xenophobia alive in rural Ireland.? Discuss. ?

ArtSmart

Nolan Yummy Notch wrote: »

You do realise the OP was a cut and paste from another website, was a first post, and most likely designed to just take the Pee?

It does have a pre-packaged feel, but it also throws out a real concern from some sections of society.

The reality it somewhat different re non-nationals, but they do exist. In general, I think Ireland has adapted well, as the population of non-national families is more widely dispersed than it was in say the UK back in the day.

Soon as one of them score the winning semi-final world cup qualifier goal, twill be all be forgotten and forgiven

Grandeeod

Nolan Yummy Notch wrote: »

What's the debate?. Is Xenophobia alive in rural Ireland.? Discuss. ?

Oh grow up. You are so predictable.