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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

Timmaay

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

All farming sectors go through difficult periods and during such times there may need to be changes in how threads are moderated.

Dairy threads are going to be more closely monitored and subject to stricter moderation for a while.

To that end we won’t tolerate baiting of posters, constantly reviving old arguments, posters with agendas or crusading for a cause.

Whether it’s discussion of the business or politics of the dairy or other sectors, we expect civility and tolerance toward each other and other opinions as diversity of opinion is needed as a source of different ways of looking at a situation.

"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert

Also please be aware that what you may post as light-hearted banter can be read totally differently by someone adversely affected by the subject matter and evoke a reaction you hadn’t intended.

The ‘Off-Season’ forum, and its anonymous posting, is available for anyone to chat about their situation.

The Mod Team.

10 away from the 10000 posts! Frazz I think it's fair to say this thread has been a success!

Indeed it was! First thread can be found here- http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056872221

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whelan2

kowtow wrote: »

anyone got any idea how long milk recording results take from recording to showing up on ICBF (or whatever)?

7-10 days if any longer ring them. There was a problem in August when emails were not getting through

Dawggone

Anyone know the concentration of Formalin and Peracetic acid for foot bathing cows with mortellaro?

mahoney_j

kowtow wrote: »

anyone got any idea how long milk recording results take from recording to showing up on ICBF (or whatever)?

3/4 days progressive genetics

freedominacup

Dawggone wrote: »

Anyone know the concentration of Formalin and Peracetic acid for foot bathing cows with mortellaro?

I put two litres into fifty of water of formalin. Not sure of the concentration of the formalin.

Edit. 35% formaldehyde.

Never used peracetic acid so no idea. If they have it bad get some lincomycin powder and an extra man into the parlour. Powerhose feet and spray lincomycin using one of those 10l garden sprayers. The ones with the pump come carry handle on top. You could put linco in the footpaths if you're trying to cut your tax bill but I don't think it's as effective.

yewtree

mahoney_j wrote: »

3/4 days progressive genetics

thats a lot quicker than we get results here could be two weeks, using DIY with progressive.

Keepgrowing

Mooooo wrote: »

How much of the herd will be able to eat at onetime KG? The last time we added feed space there was a decent improvement but shir more cows were added then so back to square one. i know with winter milk and in particular heifers milking its more important but when/if i ever get round to extending the sheds ill try to double the feed space

We will now have 150% capacity for feeding and 130% cubicles

whelan2

yewtree wrote: »

thats a lot quicker than we get results here could be two weeks, using DIY with progressive.

It depends on the delivery driver. We were on once a week collection here for a while and results where taking ages.

Keepgrowing

Dawggone wrote: »

Anyone know the concentration of Formalin and Peracetic acid for foot bathing cows with mortellaro?

Start with 5% form 1% p
Max 180 cows through 1 mix
Reduce form to 3% as you regain control
Bath for 3 milkings each week for 2 weeks and then to 2 per week for control

We've stopped using Form and pere, use an off the shelf product called Healmax. 2 litres per 200 water for 1 milking per week. We also keep some in Rose sprayer to treat clinical cows as lame group go throug parlour

Buford T. Justice XIX

yewtree wrote: »

thats a lot quicker than we get results here could be two weeks, using DIY with progressive.

5 days for scc by text, 6 days email to computer and 7 days by post from Munster. DIY.

Mooooo

Are many of ye doing diy recording? Stopped this year but will take it up again. Used to use the waikito metres are the diy ones a better job

the_blue_oval

Keepgrowing wrote: »

We will now have 150% capacity for feeding and 130% cubicles

How many gallons of slurry storage do you allow per cow with the outdoor cubicles/lagoon set up?

GrasstoMilk

How's solids?
14.7l
4.34p
5.27bf
On course to do 490 kilos. Few less than last year but v happy seeing as a lot of heifers milking

Signpost

Anyone able to explain to me what is gained from Genomic testing? Unfortunately the ICBF link to explain it is broken and can't seem to find a copy of the PDF they are trying to link to online - /services/genomic/Genomic_Service_Help.pdf
Outside of what it is, can anyone able to make a compelling argument for doing it or not doing it?

Mooooo

18.7 L
3.9p
4.24bf
4kg 14.5% p meal.
Dunno will they hold. Dry few days will help but back walking to silage fields and as the go on road I must hold them till finished milking and go ahead of them. If it stays dry may be able to get back in to wetter ground for a few days otherwise may house by night next week to stretch things out a bit. Testing next week, if I don't go clear ill dry off a good few culls straight away and sell to feed lot. If I do go clear will sell a few culls and 25 odd weanlings

yewtree

Mooooo wrote: »

Are many of ye doing diy recording? Stopped this year but will take it up again. Used to use the waikito metres are the diy ones a better job

Its would wreck your head sometimes between meters not draining and my personal favourite air hole blocked.
Often think it would be easier to go back to maual recording

Buford T. Justice XIX

Signpost wrote: »

Anyone able to explain to me what is gained from Genomic testing? Unfortunately the ICBF link to explain it is broken and can't seem to find a copy of the PDF they are trying to link to online - /services/genomic/Genomic_Service_Help.pdf
Outside of what it is, can anyone able to make a compelling argument for doing it or not doing it?

Iirc, it costs 22 euro if you do all the elegible animals from the one year. It will give a far better reliability to your EBI figures and allow you to easily select your better/higher EBI replacements if you are going to sell some. I think it can also sort out any mistakes in using the wrong sire on a cow like 2 cows getting the wrong straws in a group.

Your future EBI figures will also be more accurate with a known genomic base to compare other animals to.

mahoney_j

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

How's solids?
14.7l
4.34p
5.27bf
On course to do 490 kilos. Few less than last year but v happy seeing as a lot of heifers milking

20.6 ltrs
4.68 fat
3.91 p
Scc 58
Urea 45
3.3 kg meal *grass
Afc 1201
Per cow 460

freedominacup

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Start with 5% form 1% p
Max 180 cows through 1 mix
Reduce form to 3% as you regain control
Bath for 3 milkings each week for 2 weeks and then to 2 per week for control

We've stopped using Form and pere, use an off the shelf product called Healmax. 2 litres per 200 water for 1 milking per week. We also keep some in Rose sprayer to treat clinical cows as lame group go throug parlour

5% by volume? Or 5% concentration. At two litres of the formalin solution we use per 50l of water you're getting a concentration of 1.4%. Is the peracetic acid a good job? How much per litre/cow is the healmax? We generally put a few kg of bluestone into the baths as well.

RightTurnClyde

I'm using this
Attachment not found.
at 5 % vol

Costs 40€ per 25L drum

KG, what does the peracetic acid do. Do you use it every time footbathing

RightTurnClyde

mahoney_j wrote: »

20.6 ltrs
4.68 fat
3.91 p
Scc 58
Urea 45
3.3 kg meal *grass
Afc 1201
Per cow 460

18.8 litres
4.75 f
3.85p
73 Scc
3.75 meal

kowtow

Keepgrowing wrote:

We will now have 150% capacity for feeding and 130% cubicles

Is that because of future capacity or because it will optimise performance? Or both depending on how things play out?

kowtow

Buford T. Justice V wrote:

Iirc, it costs 22 euro if you do all the elegible animals from the one year. It will give a far better reliability to your EBI figures and allow you to easily select your better/higher EBI replacements if you are going to sell some. I think it can also sort out any mistakes in using the wrong sire on a cow like 2 cows getting the wrong straws in a group.

Does that mean it will give an EBI etc. to a cow when you aren't exactly perfectly sure who the daddy is. Or what breed he might have been?

Mooooo

kowtow wrote: »

Buford T. Justice V wrote:

Iirc, it costs 22 euro if you do all the elegible animals from the one year. It will give a far better reliability to your EBI figures and allow you to easily select your better/higher EBI replacements if you are going to sell some. I think it can also sort out any mistakes in using the wrong sire on a cow like 2 cows getting the wrong straws in a group.

Does that mean it will give an EBI etc. to a cow when you aren't exactly perfectly sure who the daddy is. Or what breed he might have been?

If it was an Ai sire they should be able to tell you what sire the cow has.

Keepgrowing

kowtow wrote: »

Is that because of future capacity or because it will optimise performance? Or both depending on how things play out?

It's because in my experience when you build the correct size within 2 years it's too small. Future proofing.

Buford T. Justice XIX

kowtow wrote: »

Does that mean it will give an EBI etc. to a cow when you aren't exactly perfectly sure who the daddy is. Or what breed he might have been?

As Mooo said, if the sire is from AI and also no more than 6.25% other than friesian/holstein so nearly pure bred.

Keepgrowing

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

I'm using this
Attachment not found.
at 5 % vol

Costs 40€ per 25L drum

KG, what does the peracetic acid do. Do you use it every time footbathing

http://www.nadis.org.uk/bulletins/lameness-control-in-dairy-herds/part-6-foot-bathing.aspx

We now use Healmax weekly. 20 litre drum of concentrate is €200.

2 litres per 200 litres water 200 cows.

kowtow

Keepgrowing wrote: »

It's because in my experience when you build the correct size within 2 years it's too small. Future proofing.

Quite.

Just finishing a shed here which is already going to be too small.

Mind you, I'm a glutton for hardship.

What do you aim for as a final cubicle ratio? 105% ?

alps

Dissapointing Scanning Result...

We have 6 empty 19/20month heifers (out of 55). Normally all in calf so this is a bit of a bummer...vet not inclined to look for a reason and says we won't find one...

So..any suggestions on what we do with them?

Any idea what they would make at the mart? Standard strong up to weight HO/Fr X...

kowtow

Anyone have any thoughts on where to spread/ not spread several thousand gallons of parlour washings with a significant quantity of waste milk in them?

Basically a concrete tank that had had little slurry but several thousand litres of spare milk through the season.... will be a pretty acidic mix although also diluted by rain.

Lash it out on paddocks as we close them?

Mooooo

If you have space you could Ai and sell just after they calve, have heard of heifers calving mid/ late summer and being exported for circa 1500. Don't know what they'd make as maidens at the minute tbh. Don't know would fattening them be of much benefit as they still probably grow a frame and may take time to finish