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Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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The Talking Bread

Ah stop! Sure maybe he should have asked Small to kindly get off him!! Anyway..............!

kilns

Because COC is a smart indivdual who tries to play on the officials at every oppotunity.
For a man trying to supposedly get up, putting your arm around your opponents neck is not the ideal way to get up is it?.....
Connolly played the ref and won, COC tried also and lost.

The Talking Bread

kilns wrote: »

If you watch that incident between COC and Small, he twice pulled Small back to the ground which he was trying to get up, yes perhaps Small was at fault to start. But It was smart by COC, he knew what he was doing keeping the wrestling match going, but his temper tantrum after was a bit embarrassing, so if its claimed Connolly dived, then COC can be accused of similar cynical behaviour

Fair enough. Different Incident. Thats how you saw it. Your perogative!
He was up on top of him in a Mayo counter attack, wouldnt release him, then after a bit of grasping he let himself up and, he swung his arm, making sure not to hit him though. Why in gods name would COC want to impede himself and have a wrestling match in the middle of the field when they were attacking. Its quiet clear he wanted to get him off him. What did you expect him to do! A man on top of him, lay there and bide his time!! And why wouldn't he be incensed with Small there. There was no ball, no nothing.

1.06.00 onwards.

Again we all see things completely different sometimes but............

Regarding the DC incident, it was a foul, but he played for it and then knowing he had got his free, tried to get the man sent off, knowing it wasnt a sending off offence.

Anyway, we are on a Mayo fans forum and any Dublin fan lurking about is merely just here to tell us we are wrong from what I see! so no point going around in circles here.

kilns

The Talking Bread wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

I am just pointing out he is known anti-Dub
If you paint Connolly with that brush then the OConnor brothers and Aidan OShea have to be held in the same light

I was speaking about this specific game changing incident! I didn't see any antics as serious as that out of the other 3 in the game but feel free to post them.

As I said the discussion was about this! No way to scientifically prove anything but he definitely wasn't going down without his own help.

If you watch that incident between COC and Small, he twice pulled Small back to the ground which he was trying to get up, yes perhaps Small was at fault to start. But It was smart by COC, he knew what he was doing keeping the wrestling match going, but his temper tantrum after was a bit embarrassing, so if its claimed Connolly dived, then COC can be accused of similar cynical behaviour

The Talking Bread

kilns wrote: »

I am just pointing out he is known anti-Dub
If you paint Connolly with that brush then the OConnor brothers and Aidan OShea have to be held in the same light

I was speaking about this specific game changing incident! I didn't see any antics as serious as that out of the other 3 in the game but feel free to post them.

As I said the discussion was about this! No way to scientifically prove anything but he definitely wasn't going down without his own help.

kilns

The Talking Bread wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

The Talking Bread wrote: »

This is what Parkinson said on the matter, a man who was pulled and dragged out of by many a defender in his time. Parkinson is a bit of a clown at times but he probably sums it up well here.

Diarmuid Connolly sewed him up, good and proper. Yes, Keegan pulled his jersey... Connolly went to ground and then made it look like he was pulled down. Connolly then started putting an imaginary black card in Deegan's face; completely out of order, you'd have to say.

"Yes, his jersey was pulled. Was it enough for him to be falling down? No. He threw himself to the ground and he sold Keegan up the river."

Parkinson disagreed with Conan Doherty's argument that Keegan had exerted enough pressure to bring the Dublin forward down. He continued:

"Connolly is six-foot-two, he's fourteen and a half stone. His jersey got barely pulled and he has gone onto the ground.

"It was a professional foul; it was a soccer-style 'I'm sewing my man up here' and he got Keegan sent off. And more power to him."

Anyway, what's done cannot be undone.

Quoting Parkinson when it comes to Dublin is not the most reliable. He is one of the biggest anti-Dubs out there

So what. What he is saying is true. Quoting a Dub regarding Connolly. Now that's pointless.

I am just pointing out he is known anti-Dub
If you paint Connolly with that brush then the OConnor brothers and Aidan OShea have to be held in the same light

jmayo

Kalyke wrote: »

"In case you can't make that out, the investment per player in Dublin is €274.70. The next nearest is €68.17, in Fermanagh. Third is Longford, at €62.30.

Beaten All-Ireland finalists Mayo have received €22.30. Kerry got €19 per player, while Donegal - the team Dublin beat in the quarter-final - pulled in €20.10 per player"
Article by Gavin Cooney. Figures given are per registered player in a given county. Anyone else want to argue its a level playing field?

I see you posted in the other thread in GAA forum dealing with breakdown of county support and has the map for similar.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large

It is scary how much Dublin gets and how much the likes of Cork, with probably most clubs and huge amount of players, gets.
I know Dublin pay for their own coaches rather than getting province to do it, so not sure if that worked into it or not.
And then that highlights how many coaches they have in county which makes for scary reading as well.

Also very noticable in other thread how many dubs are trying to pick holes in the stats.
The best one was saying every county are equally as good since they can all only put 15 out on the pitch. :rolleyes:

MaroonAndGreen

Kalyke wrote: »

"In case you can't make that out, the investment per player in Dublin is €274.70. The next nearest is €68.17, in Fermanagh. Third is Longford, at €62.30.

Beaten All-Ireland finalists Mayo have received €22.30. Kerry got €19 per player, while Donegal - the team Dublin beat in the quarter-final - pulled in €20.10 per player"
Article by Gavin Cooney. Figures given are per registered player in a given county. Anyone else want to argue its a level playing field?

Add in the huge sponsorship money Dublin get too, they don't need all that funding. It's nothing short of a disgrace and really I don't see how it can be justified that Dublin receive about €250 more per registered player than Mayo or Kerry do.

threein99

kilns wrote: »

Quoting Parkinson when it comes to Dublin is not the most reliable. He is one of the biggest anti-Dubs out there

I think he calls it as it is.

km79

jmayo wrote: »

Yes some of us aren't posting in here every other week because we may usually post elsewhere.
If I posted the same amount in every forum I post in that would be my day gone.
There are lots of forums I dip in and out of and I might only post in them every few months or even less.
I might post a lot depending on an issue or thread in that forum and may not post again for months.

BTW those type of comments reek of look at me I am a true supporter so I am the only one allowed comment.

There are a lot that don't go to league matches, a lot that don't even go championship matches, a lot live through out the country and even throughout the world, but they are from Mayo and they probably buy their kids Mayo jerseys, Mayo sweat tops, etc.
How much money does that end up transferring back to the GAA/county board.
(I know the GAA get money for use of the GAA logo and if county has trademarked the crests they can then get money.)

Anyway every time someone goes into Elverys or Lifestyle in Castlebar or Ballina to buy themselves or their kids a jersey it helps keep those shops in profit.
And would you rather they bought them a fooking man utd top instead.

If it was down to the diehard fans who go to all the league game, etc how many would actually be in Croker ?
Should all the fans stay stum and never have an opinion ?

Anyway I stick by my opinion. I don't believe in having a go at players because of the effort they put in, but I will call a spade a spade when it comes to backroom staff.

BTW at this stage everyone in the country is nearly a Mayo fan.
Go into any pub anywhere in Ireland, bar Dublin, last Saturday and nearly everyone was shouting for Mayo.

I was not referring to mayo supporters
I was referring to a select few from other counties that post more here than on their own forums and almost exclusively after a mayo defeat
Usually with "Rumours from the camp "

Kalyke

"In case you can't make that out, the investment per player in Dublin is €274.70. The next nearest is €68.17, in Fermanagh. Third is Longford, at €62.30.

Beaten All-Ireland finalists Mayo have received €22.30. Kerry got €19 per player, while Donegal - the team Dublin beat in the quarter-final - pulled in €20.10 per player"
Article by Gavin Cooney. Figures given are per registered player in a given county. Anyone else want to argue its a level playing field?

jmayo

km79 wrote: »

I'm out
See ye in early spring
The rest of ye whenever mayo lose a game ........

PressRun wrote: »

You wouldn't hear a word out of these "people" if the change had worked and Mayo had won. People just want a scapegoat and they are the same people who have been waiting since last year to get a few things off their chest.

Yes some of us aren't posting in here every other week because we may usually post elsewhere.
If I posted the same amount in every forum I post in that would be my day gone.
There are lots of forums I dip in and out of and I might only post in them every few months or even less.
I might post a lot depending on an issue or thread in that forum and may not post again for months.

BTW those type of comments reek of look at me I am a true supporter so I am the only one allowed comment.

There are a lot that don't go to league matches, a lot that don't even go championship matches, a lot live through out the country and even throughout the world, but they are from Mayo and they probably buy their kids Mayo jerseys, Mayo sweat tops, etc.
How much money does that end up transferring back to the GAA/county board.
(I know the GAA get money for use of the GAA logo and if county has trademarked the crests they can then get money.)

Anyway every time someone goes into Elverys or Lifestyle in Castlebar or Ballina to buy themselves or their kids a jersey it helps keep those shops in profit.
And would you rather they bought them a fooking man utd top instead.

If it was down to the diehard fans who go to all the league game, etc how many would actually be in Croker ?
Should all the fans stay stum and never have an opinion ?

Anyway I stick by my opinion. I don't believe in having a go at players because of the effort they put in, but I will call a spade a spade when it comes to backroom staff.

BTW at this stage everyone in the country is nearly a Mayo fan.

Go into any pub anywhere in Ireland, bar Dublin, last Saturday and nearly everyone was shouting for Mayo.

The Talking Bread

kilns wrote: »

The Talking Bread wrote: »

This is what Parkinson said on the matter, a man who was pulled and dragged out of by many a defender in his time. Parkinson is a bit of a clown at times but he probably sums it up well here.

Diarmuid Connolly sewed him up, good and proper. Yes, Keegan pulled his jersey... Connolly went to ground and then made it look like he was pulled down. Connolly then started putting an imaginary black card in Deegan's face; completely out of order, you'd have to say.

"Yes, his jersey was pulled. Was it enough for him to be falling down? No. He threw himself to the ground and he sold Keegan up the river."

Parkinson disagreed with Conan Doherty's argument that Keegan had exerted enough pressure to bring the Dublin forward down. He continued:

"Connolly is six-foot-two, he's fourteen and a half stone. His jersey got barely pulled and he has gone onto the ground.

"It was a professional foul; it was a soccer-style 'I'm sewing my man up here' and he got Keegan sent off. And more power to him."

Anyway, what's done cannot be undone.

Quoting Parkinson when it comes to Dublin is not the most reliable. He is one of the biggest anti-Dubs out there

So what. What he is saying is true. Quoting a Dub regarding Connolly. Now that's pointless.

km79

Call me Al wrote: »

I'm disappointed not to see Donal Vaughan 's name in the list. I thought he was good enough to get a nomination at the very least.
He was such a loss when he was taken off on Sat.
Delighted for the backs and Clarke. They've been immense for the county and very worthy nominees.

I agree 100%
Donie was probably our most consistent player when he came back into the team

Call me Al

I'm disappointed not to see Donal Vaughan 's name in the list. I thought he was good enough to get a nomination at the very least.
He was such a loss when he was taken off on Sat.
Delighted for the backs and Clarke. They've been immense for the county and very worthy nominees.

kilns

The Talking Bread wrote: »

This is what Parkinson said on the matter, a man who was pulled and dragged out of by many a defender in his time. Parkinson is a bit of a clown at times but he probably sums it up well here.

Diarmuid Connolly sewed him up, good and proper. Yes, Keegan pulled his jersey... Connolly went to ground and then made it look like he was pulled down. Connolly then started putting an imaginary black card in Deegan's face; completely out of order, you'd have to say.

"Yes, his jersey was pulled. Was it enough for him to be falling down? No. He threw himself to the ground and he sold Keegan up the river."

Parkinson disagreed with Conan Doherty's argument that Keegan had exerted enough pressure to bring the Dublin forward down. He continued:

"Connolly is six-foot-two, he's fourteen and a half stone. His jersey got barely pulled and he has gone onto the ground.

"It was a professional foul; it was a soccer-style 'I'm sewing my man up here' and he got Keegan sent off. And more power to him."

Anyway, what's done cannot be undone.

Quoting Parkinson when it comes to Dublin is not the most reliable. He is one of the biggest anti-Dubs out there

mass_debater

No mayo midfielders, I thought Parsons deserved a nomination

SeanJ09

Aos nomitted on reputation alone. Bar the Tyrone game he was fairly in effective for large parts. Clarke, Harrison and Keegan should get their all Stars. I'd say Durcan and Boyle are in with a good shout too.

seligehgit

11 All Star nominations for Mayo... All 6 defenders and David Clarke mentioned.

Lee Keegan is amongst the three nominations for POTY.

Diarmuid O Connor is amongst the three nominations for young POTY.

Congratulations to all the lads.

Hulk Hands

Seriously, the type of the Keegan stuff is the reason the black card was brought in. Is this seriously being debated? Whatever your views on the black card itself, it was done to the letter of the rules at the time. The ref was actually lenient on a Keegan potential yellow earlier in the game leading credence to the belief that he would show he wasnt affected by the media attetion. Dubs got away with a blantant one earlier in the interest of fairness

Barlett

EICVD wrote: »

Laughable how Dermo is the worst in the world by waving the imaginary card. Your own 'wideball' aka COC is the worst in the game for trying to influence the ref. What about that pathetic temper tantrum right at half time!

Listen Buddy ye won yer All Ireland and were the better team, now quit worrying about what we're saying in this thread and go back over to your own and enjoy your win, the glory years won't last forever.

EICVD

Laughable how Dermo is the worst in the world by waving the imaginary card. Your own 'wideball' aka COC is the worst in the game for trying to influence the ref. What about that pathetic temper tantrum right at half time!

EICVD

km79 wrote: »

Also has anyone confirmed how Parsons picked up a cut that required stitches before half time ?
Around the same time Donie got concussed ?
Ah who cares at least their shirts didn't get ripped cos that's the worst type of foul play now apparently
Damn it I'm annoyed now

Aww poor baby, still upset? Ah well there's always next year, & the year after, & the year after that.

RobbieRuns

Robson99 wrote: »

2 things with the above
Keegan took Connolly out of it in the build up to one of the goal in the drawn game. Should ave been black carded

Your complaining about Connolly looking for a card... what about Aidan o Sheas dive again fermanagh... thats not sportmanship

100% agree. O'Shea's dive v Fermanagh was a disgrace. I said so at the time. Also said that he has been doing it for years now and it is wrong. I don't know what that has to do with the Keegan incident tho?

I never said that Connolly dived, he did not but he went down very easily, also no problem with that.

The springing to his feet and waving the imaginary card in the refs face urging him to Black card him..... That I have a problem with. Not what I want to see in the game.

He wanted Keegan gone, he was not able to out play him at football. Keegan is a much better footballer and over the whole time that he was on the pitch he proved it, until Connolly practically begged the ref to get rid of Lee for him.

I don't like or condone diving by anyone, I don't like seeing players plead with refs to send people off either.

PressRun

Rochford explained why he did it. He probably over-thought things slightly in feeling that a longer kickout would give the extra couple of % we needed to get over the line. What more do people want him to say? He made a call that was probably over-analysed to an extent and got it wrong. Sometimes these things work out, sometimes they don't. At this point, I think the Hennelly thing has been done to death. It was a mistake and hopefully we learn and move on.

Audioslaven

PressRun wrote: »

You wouldn't hear a word out of these "people" if the change had worked and Mayo had won. People just want a scapegoat and they are the same people who have been waiting since last year to get a few things off their chest.

I am not so sure it is that simple. Why did he make it on someone playing as well as any other player (even better than some), who made some great saves in the drawn game. I work in Galway and alot of the Galway guys (These are not the guys you mention above) were asking me why did i think he did it. . The only reason I came to is that he felt Dublin would push up and he potentially would be better at picking a player for kick outs but they make the counter arguments with examples.... and I go I know.

Hindsight is great but it was a serious fu...but Its over.,... Its a waste of time now anyway.

Blackjack

washman3 wrote: »

Swings and roundabouts.......
Ref just has seconds to make up his mind, you needed to watch an action replay, and closely at that. Ref doesn't have that luxury. If he did he would also see Aidan O'Shea's blatant dive V Fermanagh.

Odd that the Ref gave the free for the foot trip by Small on Andy Moran but not the Black card to small for the same offence. What did he give the free for if it wasn't the foot trip?.

As for all the calls for the black card to go - the black card is fine as a rule, its the inconsistent application of it is the problem. Its not even the inconsistency between refs, but for example:
Small does the foot trip, concedes free, no black card. Cooper does exactly the same thing, concedes the free and gets a black card.
Within the same half of the same game with the same official and 2 players on the same team.

Bonkers. And I believe Deegan is actually one of the better refs out there.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the game is way too fast for a lad in his mid forties to be chasing 28 lads in their mid twenties around the pitch the size of Croke Park. There needs to be a second ref and they need to figure out between them how they can manage to cover the pitch. Its either that or TMO and that could only be applied in certain games at certain grounds, and is not without its cost or faults either. 2 Refs can be done at any ground in the country. It's easier said than done, and realistically given the difficulty of getting officials at club games, could only be done for Intercounty and probably All Ireland Series games proper. But at this stage f*ckarsing around with the rules yet again is not the way to fix the issues.

FullBack Jam

km79 wrote: »

John smalls deliberate hand trip was as clear as day
Keegan's was far from clear cut . He did NOT drag down Connolly. There was pulling and grappling and Connolly WENT down .
Well played Ciaran Whelan et al. Job done

It's not clear cut alright, but the black card rule does not state "drag". As you say, there was pulling. And Connolly went down. It doesn't matter that Connolly is 10 foot tall and able to chop down 100 trees with his bare hands, by Keegan placing his arm on Connolly's shoulder, it placed the notion in the ref's mind that it could be pulling down an opponent, and as Keegan was behind Connolly in the race towards goal, it could easily be construed as deliberate. I'm not saying it was, but it could easily be interpreted as that by the ref.

My original point was that this does not make Keegan twice the man that Connolly is. If the decision is technically wrong, then the fault lies at the door of the ref. But how is the ref to know if Keegan meant to pull Connolly to the ground. He's not a mind-reader. Like I said, Keegan was running the risk when he held Connolly above waist-high. Refs will be more inclined to flash the black card if grabbing someone around the shoulders.

Kevin Keane got a red card against Donegal some time ago - for a small slap at Michael Murphy (I think). It was harmless stuff. But he fell foul of the technical rule. He shouldn't have given the ref the choice to make if he would send him off or not.

Blackjack

PressRun wrote: »

You wouldn't hear a word out of these "people" if the change had worked and Mayo had won. People just want a scapegoat and they are the same people who have been waiting since last year to get a few things off their chest.

That is the absolute truth.

washman3

Needles73 wrote: »

If you think that was a pull down then your easily fooled - ref bought it hook line and sinker

Swings and roundabouts.......
Ref just has seconds to make up his mind, you needed to watch an action replay, and closely at that. Ref doesn't have that luxury. If he did he would also see Aidan O'Shea's blatant dive V Fermanagh.