mzungu wrote: » That panel is not exactly representative of the average Irish man.
gizmo555 wrote: » Fintan O'Toole on the Irish Times website - all men are inherently violent and if a man, for example, aspires to a role in management, that's an expression of his inherent violence. (Don't forget, this is the guy who said he wouldn't run for elected office because he could make a more valuable contribution to society pontificating in the paper.) O'Toole & Mullally, et al are the reason why I don't buy the IT any more - why would anyone sane pay to read this? All it is these days is a wannabee Guardian. What’s the worst male trait? The worst most damaging masculine trait is violence… the fact is, men hit people more than women do… Men are still encouraged in all sorts of ways to express themselves violently and that’s not just physical violence, it's psychological violence, it’s through domination. It’s through the idea that you can’t be a man unless you’re in some sort of dominant position. That’s innately violence. It produces not just the desire but perhaps the need to be in charge of someone else, particularly women.http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/fintan-o-toole-the-worst-masculine-trait-is-violence-men-hit-people-more-than-women-do-1.2802966
kunst nugget wrote: » It would have been interesting to see what his answer would have been to the question 'What is the most positive male trait?'
Darren Incalculable AcrossL wrote: » Why oh why can we all just try to be decent human beings. This male vs female gender wars we have to put up with in our media today is no more mature than the schoolyard Nintendo vs Sega console wars in the 90s.
blue note wrote: » I'd have been interested to read what the worst female trait would have been! I suspect it would be something very positive - caring too much about things, sacrificing themselves for others or some crap like that!
Izquierdo represents a group of video-game-loving Americans who, according to new research, may help explain one of the most alarming aspects of the nation’s economic recovery: Even as the unemployment rate has fallen to low levels, an unusually large percentage of able-bodied men, particularly the young and less-educated, are either not working or not working full-time. Most of the blame for the struggle of male, less-educated workers has been attributed to lingering weakness in the economy, particularly in male-dominated industries such as manufacturing. Yet in the new research, economists from Princeton, the University of Rochester and the University of Chicago say that an additional reason many of these young men — who don't have college degrees — are rejecting work is that they have a better alternative: living at home and enjoying video games. The decision may not even be completely conscious, but surveys suggest that young men are happier for it. “Happiness has gone up for this group, despite employment percentages having fallen, and the percentage living with parents going up. And that’s different than for any other group,” says the University of Chicago’s Erik Hurst, an economist at the Booth School of Business who helped lead the research. While young men might temporarily enjoy a life of leisure, the implications could be troubling for them as well as the economy. The young men aren’t gaining job experience that will better equip them to work in their 30s and 40s. That, in turn, could lead to a lifetime of decreased wages, limited opportunities and challenges such as depression and drug use — problems that the United States is already seeing in areas hit with heavy job losses......
silverharp wrote: » article with the focus on men shouldnt be walking off the plantation, you cant win, do the traditional work yourself to the bone and that is sexist and, downshift and build a life around minimum wage jobs and it needs to be pointed out and shamed.
psinno wrote: » I don't know if there is really shaming in that article (maybe I missed it) but it will be interesting to see how society copes with the results of its negativity towards maleness and fatherhood and lack of caring about male educational achievement. How will masculinity having net negatives for young men in the UK play out in society?
One consent class saw a quarter of freshers walk out in disgust and handfuls walked out of several of the others. Campus activist Ben Froughi, 23, a third-year accounting student, stood outside some of the sessions handing out fliers and encouraging students to boycott the talks if they disagreed with them. 'Consent talks are patronising,' he said. 'If students really need lessons in how to say yes or no then they should not be at university. 'There is no correct way to negotiate getting someone into bed with you. In suggesting that there is, consent talks encourage women to interpret sexual experiences that have not been preceded by a lengthy, formal and sober contractual discussion as rape. 'Consent talks propagate the backward message that all women are potential victims and all men potential rapists.'
silverharp wrote: » article with the focus on men shouldnt be walking off the plantation, you cant win, do the traditional work yourself to the bone and that is sexist and, downshift and build a life around minimum wage jobs and it needs to be pointed out and shamed.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/23/why-amazing-video-games-could-be-causing-a-big-problem-for-america/Izquierdo represents a group of video-game-loving Americans who, according to new research, may help explain one of the most alarming aspects of the nation’s economic recovery: Even as the unemployment rate has fallen to low levels, an unusually large percentage of able-bodied men, particularly the young and less-educated, are either not working or not working full-time. Most of the blame for the struggle of male, less-educated workers has been attributed to lingering weakness in the economy, particularly in male-dominated industries such as manufacturing. Yet in the new research, economists from Princeton, the University of Rochester and the University of Chicago say that an additional reason many of these young men — who don't have college degrees — are rejecting work is that they have a better alternative: living at home and enjoying video games. The decision may not even be completely conscious, but surveys suggest that young men are happier for it. “Happiness has gone up for this group, despite employment percentages having fallen, and the percentage living with parents going up. And that’s different than for any other group,” says the University of Chicago’s Erik Hurst, an economist at the Booth School of Business who helped lead the research. While young men might temporarily enjoy a life of leisure, the implications could be troubling for them as well as the economy. The young men aren’t gaining job experience that will better equip them to work in their 30s and 40s. That, in turn, could lead to a lifetime of decreased wages, limited opportunities and challenges such as depression and drug use — problems that the United States is already seeing in areas hit with heavy job losses......
Letree wrote: » Maybe people are becoming disillusioned with the drudgery of the 40 hr week. 9 to 5 if you are lucky and in many cases 9 - 6 or shift work. And whats it all for really in the end. So you can buy nice house, a fancy car, holidays away.. Remember 30 years ago a single wage was enough to provide that. Then 2 parents went out working and that now is just enough to pay for that. If the average working week became 60 hrs then costs of living would rise so that the 60 hr week would be just enough to provide the same. I don't blame this new cohort of young people who just think na that's not for me. Give me enough to get by and i'll be happy enough sort of thing. I don't need a fancy house, new car, holidays, an iPhone 6, fancy clothes etc.
silverharp wrote: » I think this Japanese thing of locking oneself away in the parents spare room is awful and is a life unlived.
Deleted User wrote: » It's a whole other topic but really the west should be moving towards a 4 day/30 hour week in general. Universal basic income would make it doable but still worthwhile for anyone who wanted to put in the 40/50/60 hour weeks.
silverharp wrote: » I must say I'd be ideologically against a universal income, it sounds unaffordable for a start, and a bit like how 2 income households just pushed property prices up, this just sounds inflationary and any extra cash would get zapped in rent increases. if anything it would accelerate the "gig economy" retailers etc would love a pool of people that just want parttime jobs.
silverharp wrote: » funny that women are more positive about masculinity than men, shocker!
mzungu wrote: » Yeah, I mean all this complaining about masculinity, relatively speaking, is done mostly by fringe elements. when in reality most well adjusted folk can see it is all BS.
Letree wrote: » Maybe people are becoming disillusioned with the drudgery of the 40 hr week. 9 to 5 if you are lucky and in many cases 9 - 6 or shift work. And whats it all for really in the end. So you can buy nice house, a fancy car, holidays away.. Remember 30 years ago a single wage was enough to provide that. Then 2 parents went out working and that now is just enough to pay for that. If the average working week became 60 hrs then costs of living would rise so that the 60 hr week would be just enough to provide the same.
I don't blame this new cohort of young people who just think na that's not for me. Give me enough to get by and i'll be happy enough sort of thing. I don't need a fancy house, new car, holidays, an iPhone 6, fancy clothes etc.
A survey of Japanese people aged 18 to 34 found that almost 70 percent of unmarried men and 60 percent of unmarried women are not in a relationship. Moreover, many of them have never got close and cuddly. Around 42 percent of the men and 44.2 percent of the women admitted they were virgins.
psinno wrote: » That is pretty obviously not true given the way it is impacting on young mens view of masculinity.
mzungu wrote: » For example:Around 42 percent of the men and 44.2 percent of the women admitted they were virgins.[/URL] I suppose this might be a different argument, but now that there are so many options on the table, are these men and women who stay single simply doing so because the option is now there? Whereas before due to societal pressures they may have felt pressured into it. The article from the Washinton Times stated that these men were all happier than their counterparts in 2000, so maybe it might not be such a bad thing after all from the viewpoint of the individual. However, from an economic viewpoint, it is a cause for concern. My view would be if they are happy then more power to them.
Im trying to get my head around all this stuff and its difficult trying to figure out causes and effects. there has to be real world things happening too as well as media narratives. The way kids are raised for instance, if more kids in the US or US are growing up without dads, that is going to affect their view of masculinity because they wont have role models and its not a trait a mother can reinforce by definition. Paul Feig would be a poster boy for someone who had an absent/remote dad and look how he turned out Also maybe things like education which is probably being tweaked in favour of how girls learn.
Letree wrote: » Those numbers are staggering. Something really odd happening over there, economy stagnated for a generation, they work very long hours and now they seem to be opting out of human relationships. Very worrying times.
mzungu wrote: » It would not be a life I would choose that's for sure. I would be interested to see how content they are in life (like the Washington Post article). If it was a case that they weren't depressed and that they are simply doing what makes them happy, then who would we be to judge. That said, it is a very bizarre situation looking at it from an Irish viewpoint. I would be interested in hearing a Japanese rationale on the matter.
Letree wrote: » It might be a big city thing where if people want to remain single then getting a property alone would be too expensive. So they end up stuck in their parents house.
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