PucaMama wrote: » A fetus is just an unborn human, it is of course human, when a woman gets pregnant there's more than herself to think about then. And if you think people should butt out because it's nothing to do with them that includes you because as you say ur not a woman u won't get pregnant. Or are only pro life men to **** off?
PucaMama wrote: » Only the government can stop a referendum??? Wouldn't matter what I think we will have one when they allow it. Or have I magically vetoed something without knowing??
Decent Skin wrote: » PucaMama wrote: » No, I'll accept the result of any referendum that's held and whatever result is reached because that's how democracy works and i want to live in a democracy. I'd be happy I got my say anyway. However, if it was held next week, it would be pretty obviously controlled by certain people. And I would be slightly less trusting of the result. That's very easy say if you've had a veto on which ones are held!
PucaMama wrote: » No, I'll accept the result of any referendum that's held and whatever result is reached because that's how democracy works and i want to live in a democracy. I'd be happy I got my say anyway. However, if it was held next week, it would be pretty obviously controlled by certain people. And I would be slightly less trusting of the result.
The Specialist wrote: » Like most personal choices, this is one I really wish the self righteous moral guardians would stay the **** out of (and I'm not even female). These short sighted bleeding heart pricks are sickening to listen to - murder of the unborn they wail, little realising that in their logically-retarded understanding of the issue, masturbation would equal genocide. A fetus is not a human being, no matter how much you try to spin it. It is a collection of cells, full stop. You can't attach human value to it until it's viable, and until it's viable it's just a collection of cells.
Little CuChulainn wrote: » It's not as simple to say don't have an abortion because you are asking someone to ignore what they believe is the intentional killing of a young life. The only way there will be any kind of consensus is to debate when the right of life should attach to the fetus. Any other argument is simply going to ignore the fundamental belief of a pro life voter and will be ineffective in changing anything.
Decent Skin wrote: » Yup. So they can choose not to choose abortion. It's not like the repeal affects them in any way whatsoever. How many people who'll never avail of gay marriage voted in favour of it last year ? How many of those would view it as "a bit weird" but decided "ah feck it, who am I to prevent someone doing it - it's not like it'll affect me" ?
Decent Skin wrote: » PucaMama wrote: » No, no referendum should be held that are being controlled by one section of society. Would you be saying that if you won ? I suspect you'd be commending them for having it and allowing you to have your say and putting the issue to bed.
PucaMama wrote: » No, no referendum should be held that are being controlled by one section of society.
Grayson wrote: » That bit I bolded..... That's not the case. You won't find a single pro choice organisation in Ireland that says that and 99.99999% of the pro choice people would disagree too.
Decent Skin wrote: » PucaMama wrote: » There's nothing wrong with not wanting a referendum where people will be bullied into voting how others want them to. Sorry but that's nuts! Someone blocking a referendum is FAR worse a bully than someone campaigning during it, however misbehaved either side might be during it.
PucaMama wrote: » There's nothing wrong with not wanting a referendum where people will be bullied into voting how others want them to.
eviltwin wrote: » PucaMama wrote: » There's nothing wrong with not wanting a referendum where people will be bullied into voting how others want them to. Let's take a look shall we? I'd imagine the slurs to the keep the 8th side will revolve around comments about being anti women, holy joes etc. Not nice or mature but a lot less damaging than the emotional ****e that will come from the other side about baby killing, murder, abortion causes cancer, women who choose abortion are more likely to abuse kids and the other nonsense in the newspapers today.
eviltwin wrote: » PucaMama wrote: » Are you? No. If anything these threads just reinforce my feelings on the issue.
PucaMama wrote: » Are you?
eviltwin wrote: » PucaMama wrote: » If you allow a referendum, there will be the same controlling behaviour from the repeal side as there was from the yes side in the same sex marriage referendum. Although I voted yes I was disgusted at the no sides posters being ripped down etc and don't tell me it didn't happen because o had a family member who took part in it. All "no" opinions will be stamped down. You will not be let talk how you want. Is that the best you can come up with?
PucaMama wrote: » If you allow a referendum, there will be the same controlling behaviour from the repeal side as there was from the yes side in the same sex marriage referendum. Although I voted yes I was disgusted at the no sides posters being ripped down etc and don't tell me it didn't happen because o had a family member who took part in it. All "no" opinions will be stamped down. You will not be let talk how you want.
eviltwin wrote: » PucaMama wrote: » What do I expect from a thread when posters say they want reasoned debate on it? I expect the insults to be left out and the high and mighty "I'm such a liberal" attitude of pro choicers to be left at the door. What's the point in debating at all? Are you going to change your mind?
PucaMama wrote: » What do I expect from a thread when posters say they want reasoned debate on it? I expect the insults to be left out and the high and mighty "I'm such a liberal" attitude of pro choicers to be left at the door.
martingriff wrote: » Unfortunately the message you quoted is highly inflammatory as if it is a conspiracy from a certain organisation and if you are not part of it you must be for it. As you so conform to as the "thou shall not kill" comment.
As for the question I am sure they will go with what the country decides as that democracy
PucaMama wrote: » And what impact does that have on people looking for discussion? The place is full of people echoing the same stuff back at each other
eviltwin wrote: » PucaMama wrote: » And what impact does that have on people looking for discussion? The place is full of people echoing the same stuff back at each other Boards has always been very liberal on this issue. What do you expect? Do you want people to lie about their opinion? There are other abortion threads in the religion forums, you'll find plenty of conservative voices there who share your views.
martingriff wrote: » Arcade_Tryer wrote: » Because their arguments and beliefs ultimately stem from religious faith. Not sure if you are been sarcastic or not but I know non religous people that are pro life
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » Because their arguments and beliefs ultimately stem from religious faith.
