RobertKK wrote: » Yes we needed another abortion discussion....
rjpf1980 wrote: » We clearly do because there is a politically powerful well funded vocal and well supported Pro Life movement in Ireland who are opposed to repealing the 8th Amendment. They believe abortion is murder and accordingly must believe women should be punished.
Decent Skin wrote: » As long as it's a reasoned discussion without the extremists from both sides getting to hog it, it's long overdue! Good opening question btw.
DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: » I don't think they do tbh. I don't think that anybody out there embraces the reality of what an abortion is. It's a horrendous experience for any woman to go through. It's something that they will have to live for the rest of their lives. Life is not black and white, sometimes women might need that choice to terminate the child they're carrying. Don't forget that they're could a father suffering for it too. Be very careful before you judge a couple who decide on an abortion
Rainman16 wrote: » I believe Irish women should be able to have their abortions here in Ireland. But I don't think the cost of it should be on the tax payer.
endacl wrote: » If it's legal, it ain't murder. /thread.
Decent Skin wrote: » They call it that though. So if they had their way and were consistent then they'd have to punish it as such.
endacl wrote: » They couldn't though. That'd be vigilantism. They're pro-life. They're not Batman.
Decent Skin wrote: » Not what I'm getting at. If they had their way then it'd be illegal and dealt with by the law; so it'd be an arrestable offence that they refer to as "murder". Not vigilantism.
Donald Trump wrote: » Sure if you listen to people with pro-abortion stances they'd have you believe it's the easiest and quickest solution to an unwanted pregnancy. Somewhat similar to taking a cough medicine.
rjpf1980 wrote: » Since pro life campaigners believe abortion is murder wouldn't this mean women who abortions should be jailed for life or executed in many jurisdictions? In Ireland this doesn't happen because women just travel to Britain and other EU countries where it is legal so no need to be arrested in Ireland. Apart from a few crazies nobody in the referendum in the early 1990s wanted to prohibit women from travelling for an abortion abroad or accessing information on abortion. In the ideal world Pro Life campaigners wish no where on earth would abortion be legal and for abortion to be murder. In an ideal world they would have women thrown into jail for life wouldn't they? If you are pro life what is your view,?
endacl wrote: » You know, I've never met somebody with a 'pro abortion stance'. And neither have you.
Donald Trump wrote: » Yes, I have. As an extreme example, I met "extreme environmentalists" who think that people should not have kids and that an abortion is preferable to bringing another person into the world to drain the earths resources. If you want to play that game of semantics, then pro-life people are not pro-forcing women to procreate either. They don't see a childless woman and think "lets force her to have a child"
Donald Trump wrote: » It's opening a can of worms. Different jurisdiction, but I remember after the Omagh bombing, the family of the pregnant woman who was killed had to fight to have the unborn twins recognised in the count of the victims. When you make a law, you need to remember that it might have consequences beyond the reason for which you want it.
endacl wrote: » [b{Well, as the procedure is generally carried out in another jurisdiction where it is legal...[/b] Except for terminations that are occasionally carried out here, under strict conditions, and legally...
endacl wrote: » I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that extreme examples are the only examples you could come up with though. And that extreme example you gave isn't looking at the issue from the point of view of either a pro choice or pro life position. I'd imagine we can all agree that 'anti-human' is just a bonkers position. I think we can disregard the bonkers. And no, of course nobody would think 'let's force her to have a child'. Kinda what pro-choice is all about. Owner of the womb decides. I'm glad we can agree on that very salient point.
Decent Skin wrote: » Actually if she's raped they're doing exactly that.
Donald Trump wrote: » I'm fed up with the over-simplistic arguments.
Donald Trump wrote: » Ehhh, try reading it again. :pac: A "pro-lifer" sees a random childless woman on the street. They don't think that she should be raped and forced to give birth to a child. I think that it is a scumbag thing to do to use women who have been raped as a tool to try to push your own angle. It's completely scummy and vulture-like. Do those type of people sit around in a room hoping that a woman will be raped and impregnated so that they can use her as a poster girl?
humberklog wrote: » Too late.
endacl wrote: » Perhaps you ought to consider not making them in that case?
Donald Trump wrote: » If you want to play that game of semantics, then pro-life people are not pro-forcing women to procreate either. They don't see a childless woman and think "lets force her to have a child"
