Clareman wrote: » By my reckoning since 2012 Clare have played 21 Championship games, we've won 10 games (2 against Laois), lost 9 and drew 2 games, that's a less than 50% win ratio. Take 2013 out of it, then we have a 8 loses, 4 wins and 1 draw record, for a supposed tier 1 team that's not good enough in my opinion.
Henno30 wrote: » Not saying I want Daly back. Merely pointing out the insane distortion of the facts we are enduring currently. Where abject failure is being portrayed as great success. Ger Loughnane changed Clare hurling by ridding it of the inferiority complex that plagued it for generations. Davy has gone out of his way to reestablish it. Go to 2:20 on this video and listen to what Loughnane says. The compare it with what we have listened to this year. TRB3haSlugE
Clareman wrote: » Thanks for the video, that's my weekend sorted Loughnane had a very flawed approach in my opinion, it worked for knock out hurling that only had 4 games a year to win an All Ireland. He broke the players down physically and mentally and then brought them back, the stories from the players back in the day that up until the Wednesday before a game they were the worst in the world, not deserving to wear the jersey then come Thursday they were the best in the world and no-one was going to beat them. Back in the late 90s most of the players wouldn't have played in the league even, ffs most of that team were the Clare minors from 89 and the under 21s from 95, similar to now.
buck65 wrote: » When it comes to the crunch Davy will stay on. He is heftily rewarded financially and why would he turn his back on €80k or whatever mad figure he's getting. The players however are sick of him and probably burned out so they might opt to change things - however don't count on it - they didn't exactly cover themselves in glory when Davy O Halloran went out on his own last year. Not condoning his behaviour here but his colleagues didn't back him. The county board is not an option as they are a load of stooges. They remind me of the Clare backroom team - big, bloated and needless. Davy had his time and had a great year in 2013 with a brilliant bunch of players, his performance since then has been abject and the players have underperformed, remember the highs that the U21s hit against Kilkenny in All Ireland final - those lads have the ability but the stringent 7 game plans per match routine has robbed them of their spark. I would love to see Clare play off the cuff in a 15v 15 way again like in 2013 finals.
LuckyGent88 wrote: » The red card for o'connor has been rescinded anyway. Delighted for him.
irish coldplayer wrote: » he is going nowhere imo, in danger of destroying his own legacy at this stage, if he keeps going he wont be as much remembered for 2013 but for wasting a golden generation of hurlers entrusted to him. Nobody doubts his love for and commitment to clare hurling but hes got to know in his heart that its just not working and its time for someone else. He will always be a clare hurling legend. Surely his health has to be a consideration as well at this stage as Joe Canning said at the weekend at the end of the day its a pastime life and health is more important.
commonsense. wrote: » Dalo not an option if Davy goes/ousted as he will be offered the Limerick job. Can't see him refusing that deal!
deaddonkey15 wrote: » I don't mind Davy staying on if he just drops the awful sweeper system and lets the players play to their full potential.
Limestone Cowboy wrote: » No, a change is needed at this stage. I'm hearing talk of 5 or 6 lads going on j1's next summer if he is still in charge and they are not throwaway players like Davy O Halloran. You can be sure there is a percentage of the panel fairly disgruntled after the last few years and a change of tactics isint going to be enough to bring them back around to the right mindset in my opinion. I hope a stand off is coming to put this to bed once and for all. The definition of insanity is???? Things will be no different under Davy next year than they have been for the three seasons previous. Stupid tactics, team selections and absolutely no accountability when things go wrong. I can't see looking in from the outside how it could be a happy camp. Time will tell a lot but if he is going to go it's going to take Tony Kelly driving a bulldozer and the rest of the team pushing it to shift him.
Henno30 wrote: » There is a group that is sick of Davy, a group that is backing him, and a lot of players in the middle who either don't care or are open to persuasion. As you say, Kelly is an important figure. After the treatment of Davy O'Halloran I would really question the mentality of these players to be honest. A lot of hurling people in the county were shocked by that, as O'Halloran's characterisation of the manager was entirely correct. Beyond that is the manager's (with the assistance of his PR adviser) cultivation of a narrative in the national press that the players are essentially overrated, and he is hugely overachieving with them. It really shouldn't take that. The manager they are working like dogs under is incapable of leading them to championship wins. It's that simple. They have gone from being players with pedigree and high expectations to players who lose to everybody, all of the time. That should be enough. It was enough for Cork in 2002. But maybe these players don't have that character, as much as it saddens me to say it. Maybe the fortitude just isn't there. The one thing I would say in opposition to that point is that leadership is actively dis-encouraged in this setup. Here's something everyone interested in the Clare hurling team should listen to, JJ Delaney's analysis of Galway's second goal on the GAA Hour podcast. Bugler was man-marking Canning, and at the start of the second half Canning moved into the full-forward line. Rather than just pick him up Bugler - who is a former All-Star with 10 years of intercounty experience - panicked and turned to the line for instruction on what he should do. The line told him to stay put. Joe Canning, of all people, was left unmarked. Ten seconds later he had scored a goal that essentially ended our season. Delaney was baffled by this. Why did Bugler not make his own decision? Why was a player with his experience afraid to act without receiving approval from the line first? It made no sense. But if you are a close observer of Clare hurling it makes perfect sense, because it is entirely in tune with the culture of this squad. Players are terrified to make their own decisions. They are roared at for 70+ minutes of every game and excoriated if they do anything that deviates from their standing orders. Is this a culture that is likely to produce player revolt? I am deeply sceptical.
Clareman wrote: » Unfortunately I can't see there being a player revolt, they are all sheep who have been programmed into doing exactly what they are being told, I think players will make excuses to drop out and then be lost. If I was a sub on a team I wouldn't be overly enamered with staying around either, against Waterford 2 injured players were brought on, against Limerick only 2 players were brought on and against Galway only 4, last year player were being brought back on after being taken off.
patsy_mccabe wrote: » I wonder would Seaney McMahon be interested in the position? He's involved with the intermediates this year.
Clareman wrote: » It's hard to know who would be interested, on 1 hand you have (probably) the best bunch of 22-25 year olds in the country most of whom have won at senior level already at your disposal, on the other hand there will be 0 resources available to you and there'd be a very good chance that certain parts of the county board would be out to get you.
Henno30 wrote: » The big purple jumpered part in particular.
Clareman wrote: » It's a bit depressing when you think the last time Podge played in Croke Park was the All Ireland replay in 2013.
