n97 mini wrote: » I think it's been broadly accepted that one of the main problems with public transport in Dublin is the phenomenon known as An Lár. It is absolutely daft that commuters have to go into the city centre to make a connection in general, but doubly daft, inconvenient and a waste of time when that connection leads them back out the line they just came in on. One distant station should be designated an interchange point, served by all trains.
n97 mini wrote: » You probably wouldn't.
Vic_08 wrote: » n97 mini wrote: » You probably wouldn't. I probably would.http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=92045347
lxflyer wrote: » n97 mini wrote: » I think it's been broadly accepted that one of the main problems with public transport in Dublin is the phenomenon known as An L r. It is absolutely daft that commuters have to go into the city centre to make a connection in general, but doubly daft, inconvenient and a waste of time when that connection leads them back out the line they just came in on. One distant station should be designated an interchange point, served by all trains. Well can I ask have you tried to simulate the entire Heuston operation and come up with schedules that will work, bearing in mind the sets available and the need to service them. I have - and that's what I'm basing my post above on.
n97 mini wrote: » I think it's been broadly accepted that one of the main problems with public transport in Dublin is the phenomenon known as An L r. It is absolutely daft that commuters have to go into the city centre to make a connection in general, but doubly daft, inconvenient and a waste of time when that connection leads them back out the line they just came in on. One distant station should be designated an interchange point, served by all trains.
n97 mini wrote: » You need to find a hobby.
n97 mini wrote: » If you've already proved it, then show us your work.
ClovenHoof wrote: » This thread has turned into a bit of witchhunt. I was not really slagging off lxflyer when I made that comment, more of a swipe at CIE.
lxflyer wrote: » I don't have to justify myself to anyone - I've already given you a very clear explanation of why things are nowhere near as simple as you think that they are, and why the service pattern will have to be a particular pattern.
n97 mini wrote: » Well you actually haven't. You've given an EOTR style "because I said so" type answer. You claim to have done work, but you won't show it. Like you I don't feel a need to justify myself, and while I have highlighted slow services in the past I have always advocated for convenience first when it comes to public transport. Vic08 misquoted me for his own ends; his posting style is usually to be abrasive towards people his disagrees with rather than argue the point (I don't know how he escaped from my ignore list). But my post he quoted was more of an observation than a complaint. I expect slower than what appears to be necessary is the first step in IE's plan for closure. I don't understand how some people could say a marginal (2 min) reduction in journey time is preferable to being able to make connections efficiently and enhance attractiveness, but each to their own. As long as none of these people are given jobs in public transport we're safe enough.
savagethegoat wrote: » Do I take it from that , that you do have a job in public transport? The time taken to make an additional stop for an InterCity train is likely to be longer than 2 minutes I would hazard and that impacts on the attractiveness of a service already struggling from Motorway competition. To affect an entire train full of people for the sake of a handful of passengers getting another connection into the slower services doesn't seem tenable to me. AN extra stop would also impact the remaining paths. I can quite see that a balance has to be struck between doing everything connection-wise and having the best fast service.
ArmaniJeanss wrote: » Platform 10 would surely solve some of the issues - it would mean a switch was possible at Hueston albeit at off peak there may not be a nicely timed connection. Apropos of nothing, I was in the likes of Gare Du Nord, Bastille and (the monster) Chatelet Les Halle stations earlier in the month and having to walk 1000 or 1200 metres to make a connection between two lines is perfectly acceptable and normal there.
spacetweek wrote: » Who is that accepted by? Dublin isn't all that large and the city centre is the place of commerce and leisure. The vast majority of people who get on a bus or train in Dublin are going to/from An Lar. It's just being practical.
spacetweek wrote: » Are you serious? That is a 15-20 minute walk within the station.
L1011 wrote: » Enclosed that is not an uncommon distance/connection time at all. There are tube stations in London with multiple hundred metre connections and those are on short distance services.
ArmaniJeanss wrote: » I can't get the official times/distances for Paris, but as L1011 says London has some comparable examples also.<snip>
The time taken to make an additional stop for an InterCity train is likely to be longer than 2 minutes
savagethegoat wrote: » I think it must be more than that, the train has to slow to a stop, and then stand for at least a couple of minutes and then get back up to speed again.
kc56 wrote: » A non-stop train to Kildare is scheduled at 27 mins (1725) and one with one stop is given 30-31 mins (1735/1835). Non- stopping trains, eg Cork, pass though Kildare at typically 24-25 mins past the hour. That's 3-4 mins extra per stop. P10 is will not be served by the GCD trains due to absence of a crossover and lack of funds.
Jamie2k9 wrote: » The talk of using P10 as a station for the GCD service is just not going to happen and it should not the demand is not there to make it work and it just eats into an service which is already going to take a long time.
monument wrote: » If the demand isn't there around Heuston we just need to give up with public transport in Ireland. The Heuston area had the HSE HQ, James's, the criminal courts, Garda HQ, Heuston South Quarter, TII (NRA/RPA) HQ, Luas, DublinBikes etc etc
Jamie2k9 wrote: » But they already have a good selection of service into Heuston, why do they need more? This service is catering for those who work in central Dublin and might take this option, I don't see why a P10 stop is needed.
savagethegoat wrote: » is that working timetable or public timetable? if the 17.25 made an extra stop, what effect would that have on the 17.35?
munchkin_utd wrote: » +1 the benefit of the cross town direct trains from Kildare is for the people from Kildare to get across town without a change. If someone has to get off at Heuston to change to a cross town commuter train, then they have already failed to get the true benefit of the service and they may as well just get the Luas or a bus. if the one benefit is that you only need one ticket for a rail service rather than a more expensive rail and bus or luas ticket, well doesnt that show how thick and stupid Dublin area "integrated" ticketing is - that people mould their behaviour and commuting patterns to the ticketing arrangements and not to the best service for their needs.
to facilitate people going from connolly to heuston for services out of there. it would frankly be much easier to get off a train in connolly, hop on the gcd/kildare service and get off at heuston, rather then wasting time walking all the way through connolly itself, out to luas, crawl through the streets, and so on. as far as i'm concerned they're is no excuse for this not to be stopping at platform 10.
