6270red wrote: » No am I asking for a pension? Most retired lads including my father have shares. I don't and to be honest I think your arguments here are an insult. Your no longer involved in the industry so maybe you should leave the fight to the people still involved and the young farmers like myself to fight the good fight. How many more times can I say I'm not looking for something for nothing I'm only looking for a fair return for my work.
BannerBarry wrote: » Why take legal action against Kerry Group PLC and not the solicitor that reviewed the agreement on your behalf back in 2011? They were the well paid solicitors that missed defining "the leading milk price". y.
alps wrote: » Did farmers get their own legal advise before signing up to this? If not...why not? Why would you blame a firm of solicitors hired and paid for by Kerry to do a job Kerry asked them to do. The same thing happened in Dairygold, where DG hired a firm to get advise on behalf of an for the farmer,yet no farmer would be shown what that advise was. Any farmer that got their own advise was advised not to sign. Why then do farmers blame someone else for their own decision to sign. It was just careless. Credit to the farmers for now putting up a fight. If they were promised and have a contract stating "the leading milk price" then that's what they are entitled to. This arbitration will revolve around the definition of what is the leading milk price. Over what term is it leading price or by what standard or is it based money paid or wealth generated? It will.probably define the relationship and any future that farmers will have as raw material suppliers to a massive multinational organisation.It's a pity but the, the Kerry that suppliers could feel proud of and connected to, is probably gone.
fepper wrote: » Have the farmers a contract document stating leading price with Kerry plc, don't think so
alps wrote: » Did farmers get their own legal advise before signing up to this? If not...why not? Why would you blame a firm of solicitors hired and paid for by Kerry to do a job Kerry asked them to do. The same thing happened in Dairygold, where DG hired a firm to get advise on behalf of an for the farmer,yet no farmer would be shown what that advise was. Any farmer that got their own advise was advised not to sign. Why then do farmers blame someone else for their own decision to sign. It was just careless. Credit to the farmers for now putting up a fight. If they were promised and have a contract stating "the leading milk price" then that's what they are entitled to. This arbitration will revolve around the definition of what is the leading milk price. Over what term is it leading price or by what standard or is it based money paid or wealth generated? It will.probably define the relationship and any future that farmers will have as raw material suppliers to a massive multinational organisation. It's a pity but the, the Kerry that suppliers could feel proud of and connected to, is probably gone.
BannerBarry wrote: » One should never sign a document they didn't understand. The milk organisation, a farm organisation, a board of 28 Co Op directors and a solicitor all supported the contract on your behalf. You were also entitled to seek independent legal advice on the document before signing. Hindsight is 20 20 I know. I'll place money with anyone here that Kerry Group will win this Arbitration or litigation thereafter. Want to put €50 with me on this very sad situation of a "result" for Munster farmers and Kerry shareholders?
OverRide wrote: » See that Any sign of the bps ballancing payment It's later than last year now despite a promise to make it earlier
alps wrote: » I'm in.... €50 on the farmers....put a bit of skin in the game.. Can we have Buford T referee? What we're dealing with here is a complete lack of respect for the law...
fepper wrote: » Or maybe you bought into the WHITE LIQUID GOLD phenomenon maybe you should go up those hills and panning the streams for real GOLD
rangler1 wrote: » I'm afraid looking for an an income for producing something that's in surplus or not wanted is looking for something for nothing. No point in shooting the processor
whelan2 wrote: » statements are up now, 19cpl in a sickner of a price tbh, 24.05 net milk price here for May. For some reason 38 euro for macra came off my account!
6270red wrote: » I can speake for some and they are well educated intelligent farmers and they would buy and sell the likes of you.
6270red wrote: » Is that the way you'd have handled it in your IFA years? Nothing to see here lads as you eat another steak dinner with the big wigs..
Timmaay wrote: » 21.88c here... 38e macra fee taken out also. I cancelled the bulk tank maintenance fee, which was 540e over April/may in previous years, and an utter waste of money as the tank never got serviced etc despite calling them up.
whelan2 wrote: » Is it not that it will cover any breakdown, I know with a new tank there shouldnt be a breakdown but I assume parts for new tanks are not cheap. Also first year of new tank you dont pay a maintenance fee
Timmaay wrote: » The last bloody time I called the serviceman to look at the old tanks was in early June afew yrs back, as I knew it would be under pressure, he said he was busy but would look at it within 2wks. No sign of him and sure enough on a warm spell end of June the compressor overheated and full load of milk had to be dumped. It was part the reason I bought the new tank from a different crowd. I've never had an issue with the new bulk tank, and the copland compressors are fairly bulletproof so having no breakdown cover is a gamble I'm well happy to risk, if I get one breakdown in the next 5yrs I can't see it costing me 2500 which is what the insurance would amount to.
fepper wrote: » You should have had pints of milk instead of those pints of Guinness with all those steak dinners you were having up there!!
fepper wrote: » Maybe if they are so good at buying and selling then let them buy and sell ur milk and not Kerry plc
Timmaay wrote: » I'm not in too dissimilar a position than you, Unfortunately life isn't fair, the fact is we are all knocking out a commodity that there is simply wayyy too much of in the world at the minute. Yep we've all been lead down this path by overzealous teagasc chaps, Processors who have us by the balls and locked into 5year contracts etc, but as things stand there isn't a whole lot I can do about it at the second, otherwise than put the head down, coast on through the next year (or more if needs be) (and for me to that most certainly means culling at all stage I'm anyway tight for cash flow). However once bitten twice shy, I've totally changed my attitude from back in the happy slappy days of 39c/l, I'm lucky enough not to have gone wild with loads of debt (and I hugely pitty anyone who has), I'll play out the next year or so but would have zero issues with taking drastic measures like culling heavy, OAD and go back to work, or even just get out totally. I'll most certainly be reconsidering my options when the time comes that I can hand in notice to get out of the current 5year contract. Ultimately I'll admit I've grown to dislike the direction the whole food and agricultural industry in general is heading and by now I'd be very surprised if I'm still dairying in 10years time, life is jsut too short.
