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2 year old taken by alligator at Disney Land resort Florida hotel

ceadaoin.

just saw this on the news. Horrific for the family involved. I know there are lots of alligators in Florida but attacks like this seem rare enough. Poor boy

2-year-old boy who was attacked and dragged into the water by an alligator on the shores of Disney's Grand Floridian Resort & Spa Tuesday night was still missing early Wednesday morning.

Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings said rescue personnel had been actively searching for the child in the Seven Seas Lagoon but had not found him. The search was being called a recovery effort.

Demings said the Nebraska family of five was relaxing on the shoreline when the alligator attacked the boy. The father entered the water and tried to grab the child from the gator, but was not successful. He had scratches on his hands after the ordeal.

Parents then alerted a nearby lifeguard that an alligator had attacked the boy. Officials estimated it was between four and seven feet long.

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HensVassal

Tipperary Fairy wrote: »

Yeah I was obviously not saying that the child should have known better. I don't believe it's an excuse though (referring to adults) to not be aware of the dangers of your environment. I can't really take you seriously when you're trying to compare walking through grass in Dublin to getting into potentially alligator infested water in a place where they're known to be. There is nothing in the grass in Ireland that's possibly going to eat you alive after all.

Well, there is an element of victim blaming here. If a parent and their child were walking through the grass in Dublin's Phoenix Park, people would think "Oh, how lovely"...that is if nothing happened. They'd see it as a normal and pleasant thing to do. If, however, the child was picking some flowers near a tree and got attacked by angry bees or wasps from a nest and died as a result of the stings they'd all be "what was the parent thinking bringing a toddler to a place where there is the potential for all kinds of dangers??"

It's a predicatable as the sun rise and it's quite nauseating.

eviltwin

Tipperary Fairy wrote: »

I don't see the point of your post so, other than trying to in a roundabout way to say you think i'm being insensitive.

I'm sure the couple have bigger things on their minds than what some people they don't know might be saying. Really there's no need to be offended on someone else's behalf.

I'm not offended. I don't think pointing out their ignorance of the danger adds much either do you?

topper75

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Pure edge-drenaline, I'd assume.

Someone joking about drugs now :eek:

Don't you realise that real families out there have been destroyed by drugs and they could be reading this?

Have a heart.

Sleepy

I'm amazed that Disney wouldn't have some system in place to ensure that a man-made lake in the middle of one of their resorts was free of aligators. Honestly, if I saw a gator in the lake at Disneyland I'd assume it was a plastic ornament of the crocodile from Peter Pan and point it out to my kids.

Something tells me Disney will be making a massive pay-out to the parents.

Flippyfloppy

Sleepy wrote: »

I'm amazed that Disney wouldn't have some system in place to ensure that a man-made lake in the middle of one of their resorts was free of aligators. Honestly, if I saw a gator in the lake at Disneyland I'd assume it was a plastic ornament of the crocodile from Peter Pan and point it out to my kids.

Something tells me Disney will be making a massive pay-out to the parents.

What sort of system? There's alligators everywhere in Florida. They travel from lake to lake.

scream

What kind of parent lets a 2 year old child paddle in the water alone, at 9 o'clock at night, while they sit on the shore? Before anyone jumps down my throat about that post just think about it for a minute and accept that if the child hadn't been in the water alone the child would not have been taken by an alligator.

ScumLord

Sleepy wrote: »

I'm amazed that Disney wouldn't have some system in place to ensure that a man-made lake in the middle of one of their resorts was free of aligators.

Alligators are quite small when they're young. Disney could probably no more guarantee there's no alligators in their lakes than they could guarantee there's no snakes or lizards anywhere in their park. It would be like being surprised to find a fox in Tayto park. The fact the disney lakes are somewhat protected from large alligators just wandering in probably just makes them an ideal spot for young alligators to grow up.

gramar

scream wrote: »

What kind of parent lets a 2 year old child paddle in the water alone, at 9 o'clock at night, while they sit on the shore? Before anyone jumps down my throat about that post just think about it for a minute and accept that if the child hadn't been in the water alone the child would not have been taken by an alligator.

The McCanns aren't in Florida by any chance are they?

ceadaoin.

Sleepy wrote: »

I'm amazed that Disney wouldn't have some system in place to ensure that a man-made lake in the middle of one of their resorts was free of aligators. Honestly, if I saw a gator in the lake at Disneyland I'd assume it was a plastic ornament of the crocodile from Peter Pan and point it out to my kids.

Something tells me Disney will be making a massive pay-out to the parents.

I read that they remove the bigger ones twice a week. There's no way to keep them out though

scream wrote: »

What kind of parent lets a 2 year old child paddle in the water alone, at 9 o'clock at night, while they sit on the shore? Before anyone jumps down my throat about that post just think about it for a minute and accept that if the child hadn't been in the water alone the child would not have been taken by an alligator.

There a was a movie about to screened at the beach, I'm sure there were lots of families there. According to the police the child was 1 foot into the water and the dad was with him.

They aren't local to the area, chances are they didn't know about the risk. There was a no swimming sign but nothing warning of alligators apparently.

They've lost a child in a pretty horrific way. They have 2 other kids who were there at the time too. I can't imagine what they are going through right now. I'm sure they will be blaming themselves for the rest of their lives. Is there any point in people like you piling it on even more?

donegal.

scream wrote: »

What kind of parent lets a 2 year old child paddle in the water alone, at 9 o'clock at night, while they sit on the shore? Before anyone jumps down my throat about that post just think about it for a minute and accept that if the child hadn't been in the water alone the child would not have been taken by an alligator.

exactly what i was thinking
they were watching a movie at an outdoor cinema whilst a 2 year is paddling on its own?????

i've been to florida a good few times and the alligators are everywhere, every bit of water seemed to have them. And they're not like most wild animals that stay hidden from people, they'll be up close where you can see them.

we haven't heard all the details yet but until i hear something that makes me change my opinion I 100% blame the parents.

davycc

ceadaoin. wrote: »

They weren't camping or hiking in a wild place though, they were at a hotel in Disney World. they obviously felt it should/would be safe.

thats the thing mother nature is a bitch and you can never take her for granted be it a man made lagoon or in the middle of nowhere .

florida is famous for its swamps and alligators, tourists go on air boat trips just to see them . if i was going on holiday there i would assume every body of water has a gator and not enter it and arm myself to defend myself from any threat above or below water ..

hoping the boy is found asap:(:( his poor parents

HensVassal

scream wrote: »

What kind of parent lets a 2 year old child paddle in the water alone, at 9 o'clock at night, while they sit on the shore? Before anyone jumps down my throat about that post just think about it for a minute and accept that if the child hadn't been in the water alone the child would not have been taken by an alligator.

Oh boy, as predicted.

Flippyfloppy

donegal. wrote: »

exactly what i was thinking
they were watching a movie at an outdoor cinema whilst a 2 year is paddling on its own?????

.

Well you were wrong his father was with him

Manic Moran

I think it comes down to "Unfortunate incident." We routinely accept risks of varying levels as we go about our daily activities. In this case, the family lost out to an unexpected event, probably no more likely than getting hit by a drunk driver as they're driving from Disneyworld to the airport.

Esel

gramar wrote: »

The McCanns aren't in Florida by any chance are they?

Pass the broken bottle so we can all be in stitches. Oh, wait - should I have said 'we all can'?

Thread is sad, post is sadder. You, on the other hand, are hilarious. I tip my (base ball (sic)) cap to you.

HensVassal

Manic Moran wrote: »

I think it comes down to "Unfortunate incident." We routinely accept risks of varying levels as we go about our daily activities. In this case, the family lost out to an unexpected event, probably no more likely than getting hit by a drunk driver as they're driving from Disneyworld to the airport.

Well you see there they could blame the drunk and call for his hanging. But if there was an unfortunate incident that couldn't be blamed on a third party, no matter how freakish and unpredictable, then they'd blame the parents.

failinis

Wildlife officials have captured and euthanised four alligators from the lagoon to examine them for traces of the child after the attack but found no evidence they were involved, officials said.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0615/795683-alligator-disney-hotel/

tayto lover

gramar wrote: »

Parents then alerted a nearby lifeguard that an alligator had attacked the boy. Officials estimated it was between four and seven feet long.

That's big two year old. They probably should have asked the parents too, they'd probably have a better idea of the childs size instead of estimating.

You have the same sense of humour as a feckin headstone.

scream

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I read that they remove the bigger ones twice a week. There's no way to keep them out though

There a was a movie about to screened at the beach, I'm sure there were lots of families there. According to the police the child was 1 foot into the water and the dad was with him.

They aren't local to the area, chances are they didn't know about the risk. There was a no swimming sign but nothing warning of alligators apparently.

They've lost a child in a pretty horrific way. They have 2 other kids who were there at the time too. I can't imagine what they are going through right now. I'm sure they will be blaming themselves for the rest of their lives. Is there any point in people like you piling it on even more?

Stop getting your panties in a bunch, the news reports are that the child was alone in the water while the rest of the family were on the shore. That's bad parenting and yes, the family are probably devastated, at least they're alive to feel devastated, we can only hope that the child had a quick death.

gramar

Esel wrote: »

Pass the broken bottle so we can all be in stitches. Oh, wait - should I have said 'we all can'?

Thread is sad, post is sadder. You, on the other hand, are hilarious. I tip my (base ball (sic)) cap to you.

I see you've returned to top up on your indignation.

metaoblivia

Someone said up thread that gators are easy to spot and that's true - when they're not hunting. When it comes to hunting, gators are ambush animals. In my mind, I see can see exactly what happened - a kid is wading in what looks to be calm, peaceful water and suddenly a gator thrashes up out of the water and grabs the boy. The speed and unexpectedness of the attack and the strength of the gator would means there's little anyone could do at that point.

Wibbs is right - the boy likely drowned unless the initial bite was traumatic enough to kill him. Gators usually like to drown their prey before eating.

I also have to say that, as a native Orlandoan, I knew from the moment I read the story that the family involved was not from Florida. My mother wouldn't let me walk near lakes when I was little, never mind swim in them.

This is a terrible tragedy and I agree with Manic Moran in this case - I think it was an unfortunate incident. I'm sure signs about alligators will go up on all Disney property lakes and Disney will payout the family. I've heard 4 gators on the property have already been caught and euthanized in the search for the child's remains (this isn't a culling, they're just trying to find the remains of the child).

Orlando has certainly seen better weeks.

sonofenoch

scream wrote: »

What kind of parent lets a 2 year old child paddle in the water alone, at 9 o'clock at night, while they sit on the shore? Before anyone jumps down my throat about that post just think about it for a minute and accept that if the child hadn't been in the water alone the child would not have been taken by an alligator.

Pretty much, and this is where it happened https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2016/Jun/15/LiveLeak-dot-com-37f_1466005378-GrandFloridian_1466005386.jpg.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd1904d44d2d6b84c&ec_rate=230 ....that to me does not look safe, aligator or no ....to let a 2 yr wander to it, absolute crass stupidity.....would you let a toddler near a bath unattended ??

ScumLord

metaoblivia wrote: »

I've heard 4 gators on the property have already been caught and euthanized in the search for the child's remains (this isn't a culling, they're just trying to find the remains of the child).

I doubt there will be any mass culling. America actually has some good wildlife policies these days, the other thing is they have an alligator season so they've basically commercialized the culling of alligators.

Oafley Jones

sonofenoch wrote: »

Pretty much, and this is where it happened https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2016/Jun/15/LiveLeak-dot-com-37f_1466005378-GrandFloridian_1466005386.jpg.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd1904d44d2d6b84c&ec_rate=230 ....that to me does not look safe, aligator or no ....to let a 2 yr wander to it, absolute crass stupidity.....would you let a toddler near a bath unattended ??

Really, that opinion is based on the satelite view??? This is the area BTW. The water is rotten, but the beach area is lovely.

metaoblivia

ScumLord wrote: »

I doubt there will be any mass culling. America actually has some good wildlife policies these days, the other thing is they have an alligator season so they've basically commercialized the culling of alligators.

Yeah, they won't cull. They're an important predator that already has a hunting season to keep them in check. I want people to know that they will kill alligators in the search for the remains, but it's not a cull.

I have, unfortunately, heard several people calling for the complete destruction of gators in Florida, and that's not the right way to go about this.

sonofenoch

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Really, that opinion is based on the satelite view??? This is the area BTW. The water is rotten, but the beach area is lovely.

I'm sure it is.....but the kid was snatched in the rotten (your words) water, a 2 year old allowed out of sight enough near a body of water to be snatched

and another thing that hits me with this story, who here values their life over their childs .....they tried and 'failed' to save the kid in less than a foot of water and called a lifeguard, they gave up on that child

Flippyfloppy

sonofenoch wrote: »

I'm sure it is.....but the kid was snatched in the rotten (your words) water, a 2 year old allowed out of sight enough near a body of water to be snatched

and another thing that hits me with this story, who here values their life over their childs .....they tried and 'failed' to save the kid in less than a foot of water and called a lifeguard, they gave up on that child

You do realise you're talking about an attacking alligator don't you?

sonofenoch

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

You do realise you're talking about an attacking alligator don't you?

I do and from that I take it you value your life over that of your childs

MadDog76

gramar wrote: »

Parents then alerted a nearby lifeguard that an alligator had attacked the boy. Officials estimated it was between four and seven feet long.

That's big two year old. They probably should have asked the parents too, they'd probably have a better idea of the childs size instead of estimating.

I'm rarely shocked by anything I read on Boards but I can honestly say I'm shocked, disgusted and angry after reading that vile post.

MadDog76

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Come on now, not the most sensitive of things to post.

Understatement of the Year!!