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    #2
    corktina
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    may as well say the same about the North or Wales I guess.... people don't like being MADE to do something


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    #3
    Mint Sauce
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    What harm would it do if Gibraltar was handed back to the spanish government surely the Gibraltarians can still live in Gibraltar but under the spanish government instead.

    Two referendums have said otherwise.


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    dd972
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    We'll put our hands up, should be OK, not armed

    BLAM, BLAM, BLAM

    .....too late !


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    #5
    cml387
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    It's something to do with monkeys.


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    #6
    delthedriver
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    justforlaugh wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2380286/Spain-escalates-Gibraltar-stand-stopping-10-000-vehicles-leaving-Rock-sparking-hour-border-delays-86F-heat.html

    Gibraltar surely belong to Spain right!

    I know a few might say what about Canary Islands right next to north west of Africa but Gibraltar's territory covers 6.843 square kilometres (2.642 sq mi) and shares a 1.2-kilometre (0.75 mi) land border with Spain (The bold bit i copy and paste it from wikipedia)

    What harm would it do if Gibraltar was handed back to the spanish government surely the Gibraltarians can still live in Gibraltar but under the spanish government instead.

    Mmmmmmmm! Should the 26 counties be returned to the Uk? Sure what harm would it do?:D

    Have been in Gibraltar on numerous occasions, from my experience the Gibraltarians are more British than Uk.

    A subject for another day perhaps?:)


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    Sir Humphrey Appleby
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    Well, the Spainards are quite entitled to check every single vehicle and person crossing the border, there is nothing illegal in that. Long may they do it.


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    #8
    languagenerd
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    The Gibraltarians don't want to be part of Spain - there have been two referendums and both times they voted to stay part of the U.K./their own state. It's been ruled by the U.K. since 1713, all the people who live there have grown up under this regime, as did their parents and grandparents (not including immigrants, obviously). Following your logic, what harm would it be if Ireland was "handed back" to Britain?

    I've been there a couple of times, most recently last summer. There are Union Jacks everywhere (and Spanish flags everywhere on the other side of the border) and it very much resembles the U.K. in most ways. Sad to see this sort of fighting going on though, you'd think after 300 years it would stop being a point of contention...

    I'm not saying I think it should be British rather than Spanish, btw, it's a very weird place and a weird situation. I just think we should leave it to the inhabitants...


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    Peregrine
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    justforlaugh wrote: »
    What harm would it do if Gibraltar was handed back to the spanish government surely the Gibraltarians can still live in Gibraltar but under the spanish government instead.

    2 referendums and they both showed that 99% of the people want it to remain as a British territory.

    Just because it's beside it doesn't mean it belongs to it, it belongs to who the people decide it belongs to. Gibraltar is British and so is the Falklands according to its citizens.

    So what harm you ask? Harm of handing over your citizens to a country that 99% of them doesn't want to be in.


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    wretcheddomain
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    Spain uses this as a distraction from its economic meltdown and the abysmal methods the government has to employ to try and ameliorate the damaged economy.


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    #11
    dundalkfc10
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    They even have an offical Football team now. World Cup 2022 is theres


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    #12
    justforlaugh
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    delthedriver wrote: »
    Mmmmmmmm! Should the 26 counties be returned to the Uk? Sure what harm would it do?:D

    Have been in Gibraltar on numerous occasions, from my experience the Gibraltarians are more British than Uk.

    A subject for another day perhaps?:)



    when i think of Gibraltarians i think of eva carneiro (chelsea physio)


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    delthedriver
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    wretcheddomain wrote: »
    Spain uses this as a distraction from its economic meltdown and the abysmal methods the government has to employ to try and ameliorate the damaged economy.

    Well said! ::)


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    justforlaugh
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    is there many irish living in Gibraltar, i never been there but just wonder


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    Gummy Panda
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    wretcheddomain wrote: »
    Spain uses this as a distraction from its economic meltdown and the abysmal methods the government has to employ to try and ameliorate the damaged economy.

    Yep basically this.


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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    justforlaugh wrote: »
    is there many irish living in Gibraltar, i never been there but just wonder

    That would be the 1% that voted to be Spanish.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    justforlaugh
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltarian_people

    Gibraltarians are a racial and cultural mixture of the many immigrants who came to the Rock of Gibraltar over three hundred years. They are the descendants of economic migrants who came to Gibraltar following its capture by an Anglo-Dutch force in 1704. All but 70 of the existing population of 4,000 fled to the surrounding Campo de Gibraltar.[4] The few Spaniards who remained, left in 1727 when Gibraltar was subjected to its second Spanish siege.
    Most Gibraltarian surnames are typically of Mediterranean extraction. The exact breakdown is as follows:
    ]
    1 British 27%
    2 Spanish (excluding Minorcan)24%
    3 Italian 19%
    4 Portuguese11%
    5 Maltese 8%
    6 Jewish 3%
    7 Minorcan 2%
    8 Other 4%
    9 Unassigned2%


    Not very British is it


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    oldyouth
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    Is there anything to be said for a civil war? They're great gas altogether


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    Peregrine
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    justforlaugh wrote: »
    Most Gibraltarian surnames are typically of Mediterranean extraction. The exact breakdown is as follows:
    ]
    1 British 27%
    2 Spanish (excluding Minorcan)24%
    3 Italian 19%
    4 Portuguese11%
    5 Maltese 8%
    6 Jewish 3%
    7 Minorcan 2%
    8 Other 4%
    9 Unassigned2%


    Not very British is it

    You're saying it's not British because only 27% have a British surname? :confused: It's a territory, it's not Britian.

    People who live there now came from a lot of places.

    Whatever about surnames, British is still the most common.


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    delthedriver
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    justforlaugh wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltarian_people

    Gibraltarians are a racial and cultural mixture of the many immigrants who came to the Rock of Gibraltar over three hundred years. They are the descendants of economic migrants who came to Gibraltar following its capture by an Anglo-Dutch force in 1704. All but 70 of the existing population of 4,000 fled to the surrounding Campo de Gibraltar.[4] The few Spaniards who remained, left in 1727 when Gibraltar was subjected to its second Spanish siege.
    Most Gibraltarian surnames are typically of Mediterranean extraction. The exact breakdown is as follows:
    ]
    1 British 27%
    2 Spanish (excluding Minorcan)24%
    3 Italian 19%
    4 Portuguese11%
    5 Maltese 8%
    6 Jewish 3%
    7 Minorcan 2%
    8 Other 4%
    9 Unassigned2%


    Not very British is it

    Looking at your stats, the majority are British:pac:


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    Sir Humphrey Appleby
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    delthedriver wrote: »
    Looking at your stats, the majority are British:pac:

    Sice when did 27% become a majority?:confused:


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    justforlaugh
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    delthedriver wrote: »
    Looking at your stats, the majority are British:pac:

    read it again the british are not the majority


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    losthorizon
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    justforlaugh wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2380286/Spain-escalates-Gibraltar-stand-stopping-10-000-vehicles-leaving-Rock-sparking-hour-border-delays-86F-heat.html

    Gibraltar surely belong to Spain right!

    I know some say what about Canary Islands right next to north west of Africa but Gibraltar's territory covers 6.843 square kilometres (2.642 sq mi) and shares a 1.2-kilometre (0.75 mi) land border with Spain (The bold bit i copy and paste it from wikipedia)

    What harm would it do if Gibraltar was handed back to the spanish government surely the Gibraltarians can still live in Gibraltar but under the spanish government instead.


    Hope that stops - I'm going there in three weeks time. Should you read the Daily Mail? http://shouldireadthedailymail.com/


    The Spanish have a cheek anyway - they hold bits of Moroccan soil.

    Ceuta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta

    Melilla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melilla

    and the plazas de soberanía. Maybe they should give these back first!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plazas_de_soberan%C3%ADa


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    #24
    justforlaugh
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    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    You're saying it's not British because only 27% have a British surname? :confused: It's a territory, it's not Britian.

    People who live there now came from a lot of places.

    Whatever about surnames, British is still the most common.

    but someone who been there a few time just posted there are British flag everywhere in Gibraltar !


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    Dozen Wicked Words
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    justforlaugh wrote: »
    but someone who been there a few time just posted there full of British flag in Gibraltar !

    So even though they aren't British they still voted to remain a British territory?


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    justforlaugh
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    Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »
    So even though they aren't British they still voted to remain a British territory?

    ok i give you that one


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    delthedriver
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    justforlaugh wrote: »
    but someone who been there a few time just posted there are British flag everywhere in Gibraltar !

    What exactly is your point?

    Are you antiBritish? Are you a SF supporter?

    Back in the 80's 3 members of an IRA unit were intercepted and killed as they planned to blow the town centre to pieces. Very brave move indeed to destroy the lives of people representing many nationalities and religions.

    The Gibraltarians are kind hard working people who simply want to get on with their lives.

    Spain should stop their antics and put food in the mouths of their many starving citizens.

    Who is laughing now ?


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    Peregrine
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    justforlaugh wrote: »
    but someone who been there a few time just posted there are British flag everywhere in Gibraltar !

    Hang on..what are you saying??

    The stats you put up were about surname origins in Gibraltar which has nothing to do with this, the British didn't arrive there last year or anything.

    The people who live there chooses to stay as a British territory, like it has been for 300 years.


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    #29
    delthedriver
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    justforlaugh wrote: »
    read it again the british are not the majority

    No but the majority of Gibraltarians voted to remain a British colony on at least 2 occasions, indeed as recently as 2002


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    Ziphius
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    Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »
    So even though they aren't British they still voted to remain a British territory?

    The people of Gibraltar are British Citizens and, yes, they voted to remain a British Overseas Territory twice.


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    #31
    My name is URL
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    It's a bloody horrid place (as are a few other of their territories), but it's British until the people living there say otherwise.


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