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Aer Lingus developments

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  • 24-04-2013 3:30pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭


    Firstly, from the BizPost (there's a paywall I believe)
    Aer Lingus Regional flights, operated by Aer Arann, are to move to Terminal 2 at Dublin Airport from May 1.
    Until now, some Aer Lingus Regional flights have operated from Terminal 1.

    All regional routes will now operate from Terminal 2, including flights to Southend, Edinburgh, Birmingham and Manchester. The move to Terminal 2 will also make life easier for Aer Lingus Regional passengers linking to Aer Lingus’s transatlantic services from Terminal 2.

    And, continuing from the VS leasing arrangement

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-to-pursue-wet-leasing-contracts-with-other-carriers-1.1370856
    Aer Lingus says it is working on plans to fly short-haul routes for major European airlines keen to exit unprofitable services while retaining feeder traffic to their hubs.
    Accords with Virgin Atlantic Airways and Nova Airlines AB of Sweden mark the beginning of the contract-flying strategy, with Aer Lingus pursuing outsourcing work with larger carriers, chief executive Christoph Mueller said.
    Expanded US services using Boeing 757s are also under review. Demand for so-called wet-leasing, when both crews and jets are provided, should increase as companies including Air France- KLM Group, Deutsche Lufthansa and Alitalia seek to pare expenses while maintaining access to key markets, Mr Mueller said in an interview.
    There may be 500 jets flying unprofitable European routes solely to help fill long-haul planes based at hubs such as London Heathrow and Amsterdam Schiphol, he said.
    "This is one of the markets we want to focus on, whether under our own brand, a Virgin Atlantic-type of model or simply as a white-tail," Mr Mueller said, referring to the industry term for an unbranded aircraft.
    The wet-lease model could best be developed at Heathrow, which lost a neutral feeder carrier with the takeover last year of BMI by British Airways, he added.
    Aer Lingus could turn a profit by building up a sequence of operating slots at airports where most carriers might have only a few each day, improving aircraft utilization, Mr Mueller said.
    At Heathrow, the 23 pairs of take-off and landing positions that Aer Lingus uses for its own flights mean it could make better use than other carriers of single slots that might become free, bundling them with the existing holdings.
    Capacity restraints at Europe's busiest airport compel some carriers to have jets standing idle for three hours rather than the optimum 25 minutes, according to Mr Mueller.
    While short-haul flights away from top hubs are dominated by Ryanair and its low-cost peers, no discount airlines fly to Heathrow. The purchase of BMI by BA parent IAG drove Aer Lingus's first foray into charter flying, when it was selected by Virgin Atlantic to operate four fully crewed Airbus SAS A320 single-aisle planes on domestic UK routes. The service, which replaced Virgin's code-sharing deal with BMI, provides Richard Branson's long-haul specialist with feeder traffic at Heathrow from Manchester and Scotland.
    Aer Lingus will release an interim management statement for the three months to the endof March tomorrow.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    The ATR moving to T2 will be interesting as the terminal some times suffers from congestion with the likes of the US carriers& ME ones having to wait out on the taxiways for a aircraft to push back off stand.
    Just found the link

    http://www.businesspost.ie/#!story/Home/News/COMMENT%3A+Aer+Lingus+pieces+together+an+independent+future/id/19410615-5218-5177-e373-509b44963326


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    I reckon they will be bussed to the stands, either that or they will use them when t2 isn't as busy.
    An air bridge wouldn't work with an atr anyways.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    kona wrote: »
    An air bridge wouldn't work with an atr anyways.

    There's no functional reason preventing them - you just need a longer airbridge that comes from further back or the mad ones that can arch over the wing (so yes, you're right in that T2s won't be any use), but its been done where suitably equipped: http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/atr72/images/atr72_2.jpg

    You can also order them with the front door enlarged for passenger loading, at the expense of cargo space.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11 tony3953


    Are there designated coaching gates under T2?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    tony3953 wrote: »
    Are there designated coaching gates under T2?

    There's unused gates that could do this under the business class lounges. Under the gates in t2 main annex is the pre clearance, so can't be here.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    MYOB wrote: »
    There's no functional reason preventing them - you just need a longer airbridge that comes from further back or the mad ones that can arch over the wing (so yes, you're right in that T2s won't be any use), but its been done where suitably equipped: http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/atr72/images/atr72_2.jpg

    You can also order them with the front door enlarged for passenger loading, at the expense of cargo space.

    Aer Aranns planes have steps in the rear port side door , they also board here (well they did the last time I flew on them ) so I dunno how the air bridge above would work in aer Aranns case?
    As has been said it gets quite congested especially when the wide bodies are around.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    Some of the stands are marked out for ATR&b717 at present the RE ATR park around the 200s and 100s with two different busses collecting connecting pax to the USA and domestic pax getting off at Dublin.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,751 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    I think its funny how this outline plan from Mueller on the future of EI so closely resembles the model they used in the late 70's/early 80's.....lots of foreign lease operations. EI at the time used this model to counter the very seasonal Irish market.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    What about this cargo place?

    250892.PNG


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Tenger wrote: »
    I think its funny how this outline plan from Mueller on the future of EI so closely resembles the model they used in the late 70's/early 80's.....lots of foreign lease operations. EI at the time used this model to counter the very seasonal Irish market.

    Now, if he starts buying hotels and announces that the new customer IT system is going to be developed in house and sold to other airlines, we know he's just found some old annual reports in a cupboard :eek:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    Who thought this one up? T2 widebody ops are already a pain in the neck as each widebody takes up two spaces when it parks and it takes very little effort to cause delays in the morning when the first widebodies come in, delays which add up and ruin the operational day. It's also a pain for maintenance as T2 requires the longest, most obstructive tow to H6 in the airport, which also applies to Aer Arran. Sticking small turbos into the T2 mix, a very tight fit anyway, is not going to help.Turbos work best when they are allowed to use self-manouvering stands, with no need to use piers and especially no airbridges.All it takes is a few cheap buses. We used to put six F50s on the old "70s" stands and it worked like clockwork. No tugs or towbars needed, which meant less clutter on the ramp.

    regards
    Stovepipe


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    I donlt know much about this affects T2 operations but this had to be done eventually considering EI is trying to enhance the connectivity of its services. As regards using the Regional operation as a feeder service for T/A operations, it would make sense to have RE operate into the same terminal. Seeing as EY also have codeshares on some RE services now as well, It wouldnt surprise me if they demanded that these operate from the same terminal

    Don't mean to go off topic but on the subject of RE, the first of the new ATR 72-600's is nearly ready

    See a picture of it here: http://ow.ly/i/1U8AK/original


  • Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭No.username


    I think the plan is to bus passengers from the lower level of Pier E, there is a function available which will allow to split the ground level between US screened passengers and non-us screened passengers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    Does anyone think the regional flights will just use the same stands as always but with the passengers being bused out of T2 rather than the 214-220 gates?

    It's a bit like DUB-CDG with the CityJet flight, you use terminal 2E but the stand is actually miles away out in 2G.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Does anyone think the regional flights will just use the same stands as always but with the passengers being bused out of T2 rather than the 214-220 gates?

    It's a bit like DUB-CDG with the CityJet flight, you use terminal 2E but the stand is actually miles away out in 2G.

    Haha yes, that brings back memories. DUB is such an awkward airport at this stage.

    Terminal 2 should have been built out west between the existing 28/10 and the proposed parallel, then doze the existing mess.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭basill


    Heard a rumour about 6 months ago that our (AL) flight ops which is on the ground floor of T2 with ramp access was to be gutted and used as part of an Aer Lingus Regional checkin and assembly point for them to be bussed to aircraft. We would then move landslide to the old personnel and catering building besides cargo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,997 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    donvito99 wrote: »
    What about this cargo place?

    250892.PNG

    The more I think about it the only suitable option I can think of would be for them to be bussed from T2 all the way up to their current stand allocation up in the 100s. The Cargo stands which you have highlighted wouldn't work in my view as firstly it would add a lot of congestion to the already congested surrounding area of stands, taxiways, engine start up points etc. you would see a lot of gate holds and taxi out delays it could be a nightmare and it's all a one way system. It works for Cargo though as there are only a couple of movements per day early morning and latish evening. Also there surely cannot be enough parking @ T2 itself for the ATRs can there. Would EI take over a couple of the pier B stands on a permanent basis, I know they use a couple occasionally early AM etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    basill wrote: »
    Heard a rumour about 6 months ago that our (AL) flight ops which is on the ground floor of T2 with ramp access was to be gutted and used as part of an Aer Lingus Regional checkin and assembly point for them to be bussed to aircraft. We would then move landslide to the old personnel and catering building besides cargo.

    There are gates unfinished just down from there, the personnel building is being refurbed too ;) so you may be right there!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭flanzer


    Guys, there will be now ATR parked in Pier E. Aer Lingus will bus from Pier E only. The area will be then closed and sanitised at 7 a.m ready for the CBP operation. Should the be any delays to the AL Regionals, they will be bussed from lower Pier B instead


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 345 ✭✭Flier


    basill wrote: »
    Heard a rumour about 6 months ago that our (AL) flight ops which is on the ground floor of T2 with ramp access was to be gutted and used as part of an Aer Lingus Regional checkin and assembly point for them to be bussed to aircraft. We would then move landslide to the old personnel and catering building besides cargo.

    Should be interesting trying to get all the preflight stuff done, plus clearing security in the 45mins / 1hr15 allocated.....:eek:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11 tony3953


    flanzer wrote: »
    Guys, there will be now ATR parked in Pier E. Aer Lingus will bus from Pier E only. The area will be then closed and sanitised at 7 a.m ready for the CBP operation. Should the be any delays to the AL Regionals, they will be bussed from lower Pier B instead

    What about the rest of the day? So what you are saying is that there will be no ATR departures during CBP hours?

    Rubbish!


  • Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭No.username


    flanzer wrote: »
    Guys, there will be now ATR parked in Pier E. Aer Lingus will bus from Pier E only. The area will be then closed and sanitised at 7 a.m ready for the CBP operation. Should the be any delays to the AL Regionals, they will be bussed from lower Pier B instead

    Don't know where you are getting your info from but you are wrong! Anyone who has been in the CBP may remember that there is a few gates behind a large glass partition which you access via 2 automatic doors which are always left open. They are going to close these doors and use this to split CBP, so a US bound passenger will be on ones side of the glass and the Aer Arann passenger on the other.

    There are no incomplete gates in T2 as Kona mentioned. And Aer Arann passengers will be checking in, in the T2 Check in building as normal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭flanzer


    tony3953 wrote: »
    What about the rest of the day? So what you are saying is that there will be no ATR departures during CBP hours?

    Rubbish!

    Exactly. No ATR bussing departures from Pier E between 07:00 and 14:30.
    Don't know where you are getting your info from but you are wrong! Anyone who has been in the CBP may remember that there is a few gates behind a large glass partition which you access via 2 automatic doors which are always left open. They are going to close these doors and use this to split CBP, so a US bound passenger will be on ones side of the glass and the Aer Arann passenger on the other.

    There are no incomplete gates in T2 as Kona mentioned. And Aer Arann passengers will be checking in, in the T2 Check in building as normal.

    They will only be using Gate 404 initially and it will act as a 'fish bowl', segregated away from the rest of the CBP area. ATR passengers will be rooted down through Gate 412


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭basill


    I think the DAA called them "swing gates" or some such term. I can only vaguely recall as the young lady giving us the tour a few years ago was drop dead gorgeous and lads being lads we were mightily distracted and not paying attention!


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,575 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    basill wrote: »
    I think the DAA called them "swing gates" or some such term. I can only vaguely recall as the young lady giving us the tour a few years ago was drop dead gorgeous and lads being lads we were mightily distracted and not paying attention!

    The swing gates are the large glass doors on the upper level of Pier E that lockdown parts of the pier for CBP ops. The area the previous 2 posters reference is on the lower level of Pier E,gates 402 & 404. These have the waiting area enclosed in glass and a double glass door entry. Since T2 opened the doors have remained open but the facility is there to close them and let passengers come down the stairs through one of the upper gates use that waiting area.

    This pic is the best i could find to illustrate that area. The entrance is in the centre of the photo.

    5158509_RqE8ZUDNf7dH3DI2p1TQYhS_V2CtztvOrYN68t6ZoEI.jpg

    I heard in the job today that EIR would be using a combo of Pier E & B.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,162 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    Anyone know when EI plan to move out of their HQ building and into H6? I know they are already in H6, but I mean moving their HQ offices there? And also are EI selling the Iolar building that houses their training facilities? Am I right in thinking there is a pool and cabin mock up and flight sims there?


  • Registered Users Posts: 659 ✭✭✭Katunga


    the pool you are thinking of is the ALSAA


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona



    There are no incomplete gates in T2 as Kona mentioned. And Aer Arann passengers will be checking in, in the T2 Check in building as normal.

    There is , they are a floor under the lounges


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    kona wrote: »
    There is , they are a floor under the lounges

    Is that not just the remains of Pier C?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    MYOB wrote: »
    Is that not just the remains of Pier C?

    You could be right there!


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