Bord Gais price rise

DailyBlaa · 04-09-2012 2:33pm #1

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0904/8-5-increase-in-bord-gais-gas-prices-approved.html

Bord Gais got approval for 8.5% price rise effective from October.

An early Christmas present. Once that is out of the way we have the fun budget to look forward to. This will indeed be a winter of discontent.

NIMAN · 04-09-2012 3:23pm

Only mentions gas.

I am an BG electricity customer. Same for me?

DailyBlaa · 04-09-2012 3:25pm

No news yet for electricity prices but being that we use gas turbines for generation it is not out of the question that we could see a rise in those prices further down the line.

zefer · 04-09-2012 3:27pm

This is a joke, they only got a 22% increase last year.

The bit I think is even more sickening is that they applied for a 7.54% increase but the commission decided to give them 8.5%

Their costs have increased blah blah, makes me sick

0ph0rce0 · 04-09-2012 3:28pm

Same time every year, theres always a hike once the winter is coming

Brussels Sprout · 04-09-2012 3:59pm

Are Bord Gais workers as overpaid as ESB workers?

bassey · 04-09-2012 4:02pm

Which ESB workers are overpaid?

Dannyboy83 · 04-09-2012 4:26pm

bassey wrote: »

Which ESB workers are overpaid?

Ask Brendan Ogle

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/esbs-75500-staff-spoilt-admits-union-chief-2859455.html
THE most senior union official at state-owned ESB has been caught on camera admitting the workers he represents are "spoilt".

Brendan Ogle, secretary of the group of unions representing more than 7,000 workers at the energy provider, said the staff had got used to "gravy" being poured from above.

Workers at ESB enjoy average salaries of €75,500 a year, which are worth €94,300 when generous pension contributions are included.

DailyBlaa · 04-09-2012 4:34pm

As usually treads here get derailed from gas price rises to public service bashing. There are far more external factors to the rises than salaries and as such there are the topics for discussion. We are very limited with out import policies being on the periphery of Europe. This factor with our own lack of state funded exploration of natural resources has led us to this stage.

Dannyboy83 · 04-09-2012 4:41pm

DailyBlaa wrote: »

As usually treads here get derailed from gas price rises to public service bashing. There are far more external factors to the rises than salaries and as such there are the topics for discussion. We are very limited with out import policies being on the periphery of Europe. This factor with our own lack of state funded exploration of natural resources has led us to this stage.

The problem with external factors is that they are are usually external to our control.
State funded exploration of natural resources is too expensive and is a long term project anyway.

Count Dooku · 04-09-2012 4:43pm

DailyBlaa wrote: »

As usually treads here get derailed from gas price rises to public service bashing. There are far more external factors to the rises than salaries and as such there are the topics for discussion.

Which factors?

Footy101 · 04-09-2012 4:47pm

Lads/Ladies, no more interested in getting into all that nonsense. More interested in the cost of my bills over the Christmas period. I'm thinking about changing from B. Gais to another gas and electricity supplier. Any suggestions? Was thinking about Electric Ireland (living in Dublin)

KindOfIrish · 04-09-2012 4:51pm

Footy101 wrote: »

Lads/Ladies, no more interested in getting into all that nonsense. More interested in the cost of my bills over the Christmas period. I'm thinking about changing from B. Gais to another gas and electricity supplier. Any suggestions? Was thinking about Electric Ireland (living in Dublin)

There is no real competition on the energy market. All companies offer about the same prices. If one of them is giving you lower price, be sure they will inrease it in few weeks time.

Footy101 · 04-09-2012 4:57pm

KindOfIrish wrote: »

There is no real competition on the energy market. All companies offer about the same prices. If one of them is giving you lower price, be sure they will inrease it in few weeks time.

Good craic. Love paying bills :-(

Cerco · 04-09-2012 4:58pm

The Energy Regulator should be replaced by a rubber stamp. No need for highly paid group here just set up an automatic increase on a regular basis and implement.

Tea drinker · 04-09-2012 4:58pm

@count dooku, allegedly it's a currency flux, which to me sounds transitory. Also should be reflected throughout Eurozone as we typically get gas from Russia?

leeomurchu · 04-09-2012 5:01pm

Someone called to our door not to long ago can't remember the company now(typical) telling me they're cheaper than bordgais. I think it might have been flo gas??

I'll be changing anyway that's a joke we've both gas and elec with them.

So long Bord Gais

Icepick · 04-09-2012 5:07pm

Why didn't the regulator tell them to lower costs instead, starting with the ridiculous salaries?

delop · 04-09-2012 5:12pm

You know those chairs they bought (http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/08/30/this-will-make-you-very-upset/) those dont pay for themselves ....

Not to mind that fancy building they moved into

SPDUB · 04-09-2012 5:13pm

Cerco wrote: »

The Energy Regulator should be replaced by a rubber stamp. No need for highly paid group here just set up an automatic increase on a regular basis and implement.

It's even worse than a rubber stamp.

At least that would only give them the increase they actually applied for .

To give them more without them even asking for a further increase shows the Regulator has been captured by the industry

Idbatterim · 04-09-2012 7:03pm

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/workers-seek-pay-for-3km-move-2857157.html

Unions have made a claim for compensation for additional travel time. The talks are ongoing.

so are those who now travel less, offering to give up some pay?

2moreMinutes · 04-09-2012 7:06pm

Maybe theres an obvious answer that I cant figure out but should our energy costs not be reducing due to the huge amount of windmills now dotted all over the country compared to a few years ago?

I dont believe that energy costs have reduced over the last number of years since the popularity of these windmills increased but of course I may be wrong.

04-09-2012 7:09pm

delop wrote: »

You know those chairs they bought (http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/08/30/this-will-make-you-very-upset/) those dont pay for themselves ....

Not to mind that fancy building they moved into

That is sickening.

DailyBlaa · 04-09-2012 7:17pm

2moreMinutes wrote: »

Maybe theres an obvious answer that I cant figure out but should our energy costs not be reducing due to the huge amount of windmills now dotted all over the country compared to a few years ago?

I dont believe that energy costs have reduced over the last number of years since the popularity of these windmills increased but of course I may be wrong.

More likely our costs will go up due to these, wind is between 10-30% more expensive per megawatt/hour compared to gas turbine. And if you figure in off-shore wind that comparison goes out the window.

Heroditas · 04-09-2012 11:14pm

Footy101 wrote: »

Lads/Ladies, no more interested in getting into all that nonsense. More interested in the cost of my bills over the Christmas period. I'm thinking about changing from B. Gais to another gas and electricity supplier. Any suggestions? Was thinking about Electric Ireland (living in Dublin)

Flogas are currently the cheapest for natural gas IIRC.
Bonkers.ie is an excellent website for all those price comparisons for gas, electricity and phone/broadband.

Heroditas · 04-09-2012 11:17pm

2moreMinutes wrote: »

Maybe theres an obvious answer that I cant figure out but should our energy costs not be reducing due to the huge amount of windmills now dotted all over the country compared to a few years ago?

I dont believe that energy costs have reduced over the last number of years since the popularity of these windmills increased but of course I may be wrong.

Wholesale electricity prices are completely dependent on gas prices here because 60% of our electricity is generated using gas.

However that is a separate issue to domestic gas prices an gas for SME businesses.

Solair · 05-09-2012 12:36am

Is it possible that ESB and BGE are getting lousy deals on natural gas imports due to the state's bad credit rating at present?

I know Greece suffered energy and other import issues due to this.

i.e. are we paying higher than market prices because some oil / gas oligopolist thinks we're a dodgy credit risk or has some automatic formula that kicks in designed to protect them but that actually cripples already crippled economies even more...

Is there any information available on what BGE and ESB are actually paying for gas imports?

This kind of hiking is rather worrying to say the least as it's an absolutely enormous burden on the economy equivalent to a very serious tax hike.

A fella called fish · 05-09-2012 12:42am

Just changed over to flo gas.

If enough people leave bord gais it will at least show them that we're not taking this crap anymore. Who is still with them? Leave, it wont cost you anything and takes 5 minutes over the phone.

Head The Wall · 05-09-2012 7:26am

delop wrote: »

You know those chairs they bought (http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/08/30/this-will-make-you-very-upset/) those dont pay for themselves ....

Not to mind that fancy building they moved into

They have just bought 8,500 of those chairs where I am working at the moment and they cost £870 each. They are wicked comfy though.

Nody · 05-09-2012 9:45am

A fella called fish wrote: »

Just changed over to flo gas.

If enough people leave bord gais it will at least show them that we're not taking this crap anymore. Who is still with them? Leave, it wont cost you anything and takes 5 minutes over the phone.

You are aware that the if Flo ever reached BGs level BG would be allowed to undercut them right? That Flo et al only have a business because of BGs minimum price has been set to be artificially higher then the competitors (who in general resell BG gas).

All you're doing is getting a slightly cheaper price but once enough switch BG can set their own prices with out regulation as they are no longer considered to big; want to guess what direction the prices will go then (and since most resell BG gas in the first place...)?

Tabnabs · 05-09-2012 9:52am

Interesting to see that our Northern brethren are getting a reduction in electricity due to an "easing" in gas and coal prices

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19343459

Bord Gais price rise

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