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"Liberal" Priest under investigation by Vatican

  • 05-04-2012 08:12PM
    #1
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,512 ✭✭✭✭


    Founder of the Association of Catholic Priests Fr Tony Flannery is under investigation by the Vatican for his liberal views.

    Fr Flannery confirmed to TheJournal.ie that the Vatican had contacted him to inform him of the investigation.

    The Irish Catholic newspaper reported earlier today that the priest had to cease writing his monthly column in the Redemptorist Reality magazine as a result of the investigation.

    Last summer, Fr Flannery welcomed Taoiseach Enda Kenny’s criticism of the Vatican’s handling of the child sex abuse scandal in Ireland.

    The association, which has been described as a ‘dissident group’ by more conservative members of the Church, was also critical of recent changes to the Roman Missal. It has called for radical changes in the Catholic Church, including an overhaul of how bishops are chosen and its theology on sexuality. Some of its priests also agree with priests being allowed to marry and the ordination of female priests.

    While in Ireland last month, the Apostolic Visitation said it observed a “certain tendency” for priests to hold opinions that conflict with those of the Magisterium, the Catholic Church’s teaching authority.

    They stressed that dissent from the formal teachings of the Church were “not the authentic path towards renewal”.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/liberal-priest-confirms-he-is-under-vatican-investigation-408748-Apr2012/

    Good to see they have their priorities in order.. Rape a child, and in their eyes it's no big deal.. Suggest that priests should be allowed to marry and they'll come down on you like a tonne of bricks. Bunch of fcuking scumbags.

    Why are more priests not vocally opposed to the whole hierarchal nature of the Church? Surely they see the damage being done by the Vatican.. it affects them more than anyone else.


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  • #2
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I posted on that site about a Drogheda priest whom they also shot down and told him to shut-up.
    Rome has a history of dictators.
    Some things don't change sadly, it seems!


  • #3
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Don't forget the wimmins aren't allowed join the priesthood either. Pesky wimmins with their breasts and uteruses can't turn wafers into human flesh. Tsk.


  • #4
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    There was a priest in my own area who had similar views and stated them openly at mass a good few times. He was eventually moved on because some of the older Bible bashers didn't agree with his views and stopped attending mass, there's now a standard Vatican brainwashed priest back in the area and the front rows are once again a haven for the self righteous.


  • #5
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,800 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Glad to see they have their priorities right.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #6
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Ein Furher Ein Reich! (Strumbannfurher Ratizinger, aka papparattzi, aka Benni)


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  • #7
    problemchimp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭problemchimp


    While I agree that the abuse of children is sick, and the Vatican covered up for these inhumane monsters, I think the rights of priests to marry is not something a priest should be banging on about. He knew the rules before he became a priest, if he has changed his views on this, then nobody is stopping him from leaving the priesthood.
    And before I get attacked, I personally have no respect for the Catholic church or any religion for that matter.


  • #8
    Lando Griffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    With views like that one would wonder why he didn't do Protestant. Probably afraid he would end up in eternal damnnation. Who could blame him the poor devil.


  • #9
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,512 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    problemchimp wrote: »
    While I agree that the abuse of children is sick, and the Vatican covered up for these inhumane monsters, I think the rights of priests to marry is not something a priest should be banging on about. He knew the rules before he became a priest, if he has changed his views on this, then nobody is stopping him from leaving the priesthood.
    And before I get attacked, I personally have no respect for the Catholic church or any religion for that matter.

    Why should it be a case of put-up or shut-up, though? You could say the same about virtually any job, but there's no harm in trying to improve things.


  • #10
    problemchimp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭problemchimp


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Why should it be a case of put-up or shut-up, though? You could say the same about virtually any job, but there's no harm in trying to improve things.
    Yes this is true, but I don't think this is like any job. Also if you wanted to change things in your own job you wouldn't be writing articles about it, you would go speak with your boss. Maybe he should form a breakaway religion.


  • #11
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    problemchimp wrote: »
    Yes this is true, but I don't think this is like any job. Also if you wanted to change things in your own job you wouldn't be writing articles about it, you would go speak with your boss. Maybe he should form a breakaway religion.

    You can try to change things in different ways. Maybe he found Ratzinger the sort of person who was not open to change (and if so, who could blame him). The Catholic doctrine isn't set in stone, and it's priests like this one that (may) help it evolve into a more liberal organisation. It's happened before (despite what some people may say).


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  • #12
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    You either accept the teachings of the church or you don't. Go and join the reformers otherwise. Just my view on it. They all know what they got themselves into. I don't see the point of them questioning it now when they knew all this when they joined.


  • #13
    problemchimp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭problemchimp


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    You either accept the teachings of the church or you don't. Go and join the reformers otherwise. Just my view on it. They all know what they got themselves into. I don't see the point of them questioning it now when they knew all this when they joined.
    I never thought we'd agree on something Keith, but there you go.


  • #14
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    You either accept the teachings of the church or you don't. Go and join the reformers otherwise. Just my view on it. They all know what they got themselves into. I don't see the point of them questioning it now when they knew all this when they joined.
    Oh yes, God (forgive the pun) forgive that priests should evolve , grow, and gain an enhanced view of society and humanity as they work with real people.
    But as the old Nazi expression goes (and Strumbannfurher Ratizinger should be familiar with it) "Ein Furher, Ein Reich".


  • #15
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    You either accept the teachings of the church or you don't. Go and join the reformers otherwise. Just my view on it. They all know what they got themselves into. I don't see the point of them questioning it now when they knew all this when they joined.

    So what do you do when they initiate Vatican III? The Church can change, and has done in the past. It's just been quite resistant to change of late, despite plummeting numbers attending mass (in the west) and all the scandals.


  • #16
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    So what do you do when they initiate Vatican III? The Church can change, and has done in the past. It's just been quite resistant to change of late, despite plummeting numbers attending mass (in the west) and all the scandals.
    There is a good reason for that. Any more change and they would not be the Catholic church.


  • #17
    problemchimp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭problemchimp


    lividduck wrote: »
    Oh yes, God (forgive the pun) forgive that priests should evole , grow, and gain an enhanced view of society and humanity as they work with real people.
    But as the old Nazi expression goes (and Strumbannfurher Ratizinger should be familiar with it) "Ein Furher, Ein Reich".
    Are you saying that the majority of priests want priests to be allowed to marry? Or indeed are you saying the majority of Catholics want priests to be allowed marry? If that's the case then the Vatican should look at it but I really don't feel that is the case.


  • #18
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    its a bit like the way I support man utd but wish they played tennis instead of football


  • #19
    problemchimp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭problemchimp


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    its a bit like the way I support man utd but wish they played tennis instead of football
    What?


  • #20
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    There are many good priests in the Church and some probably think they can fix, that which is broken from within. Hence the reason they join perhaps. But ever since Constantine put his imperial seal of approval on the church and Romanised it. It became and has thus remained, a disgustingly power hungry, corrupt and hypocritical organisation which apparently provides a sanctuary for gross sexual deviants.


  • #21
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    There is a good reason for that. Any more change and they would not be the Catholic church.

    I'd agree. Not sure how that ties in with your post on how people below, though. If the Church is changing so much, why would you suggest people to join the reformers?
    KeithAFC wrote: »
    You either accept the teachings of the church or you don't. Go and join the reformers otherwise. Just my view on it. They all know what they got themselves into. I don't see the point of them questioning it now when they knew all this when they joined.


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  • #22
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    its a bit like the way I support man utd but wish they played tennis instead of football
    It's like a teacher or social worker or nurse doing something they had a calling for, or a belief in, etc, and after a number of years there, trying to implement change.
    It isn't even slightly like your analogy.


  • #23
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    I'd agree. Not sure how that ties in with your post on how people below, though. If the Church is changing so much, why would you suggest people to join the reformers?
    The church isn't changing though is it? What my post was referring to is if they have doubts about the Church, just leave and join another Christian denomination.


  • #24
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,512 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    You either accept the teachings of the church or you don't. Go and join the reformers otherwise. Just my view on it. They all know what they got themselves into. I don't see the point of them questioning it now when they knew all this when they joined.

    So basically you're opposed to change? I'm shocked.. shocked!


  • #25
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    The doctrine of the catholic church is not conducive to modern life. There was Vatican II, why not Vatican III?


  • #26
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    So what do you do when they initiate Vatican III? The Church can change, and has done in the past. It's just been quite resistant to change of late, despite plummeting numbers attending mass (in the west) and all the scandals.

    its all fcuking sequels these days, Vatican was great, then Vatican II: Priest Harder was a bit of a disappointment, they never live up to the hype.


  • #27
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    The church isn't changing though is it? What my post was referring to is if they have doubts about the Church, just leave and join another Christian denomination.

    It's not changing at the moment. But it has in the past. And depending on who's in charge, it will in the future. Case in point: Vatican II. But you can go further than that, with all the announcements made on doctrine through since the 4th century or so (and before).


  • #28
    marty1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭marty1985


    My name is URL wrote: »
    So basically you're opposed to change? I'm shocked.. shocked!

    Oddly, it's most others here who want the church to change with the times and become more liberal.

    The church have to investigate a priest who goes completely off what they view as the correct teachings. While this is a great opportunity to bash the church and slap this guy on the back for not being One Of Them, think about it: what sort of church would it be if it didn't have official doctrines and teachings and a (oh, horror) hierarchy? It would be a Protestant church.

    The Anglican church is losing a lot of people at the moment - I saw a news story yesterday about an entire village congregation and their priest converting to Roman Catholicism.

    If you're not a Catholic you can slag them off - but a lot of people want the guidance that authority brings and not a church divided on itself like the Church of England over liberal reforms.

    But it's a great opportunity to fantasise that they church will silence him mafia style.


  • #29
    marty1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭marty1985


    Dudess wrote: »
    The doctrine of the catholic church is not conducive to modern life. There was Vatican II, why not Vatican III?

    In fairness, I don't think they want to marry themselves to modern times (as the famous saying goes, the church that does soon finds itself a widow). They see themselves as protecting tradition. And the reforms of Vatican II are taking time to show their results.


  • #30
    Spread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭Spread


    The pope reigns over a corrupt entity ergo he is either corrupt or naive.

    I guess you could also say that John Gotti was naive

    Following Jesus' example? Gimme a break guv!


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  • #31
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    The Pope is just an ordinary man dressed up in a religious costume.


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