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Last gasp attempt to reopen Waterford/Rosslare Railway

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  • #102
    Our man in Havana
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    Manual staff is used.


  • #103
    cbl593h
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    dowlingm wrote: »
    How does signalling work between Wellington Bridge and Waterford Station - specifically with respect to trains in and out of Belview? If a train runs from Waterford to Belview is the section as far as WB deemed occupied for all that time?

    No that arrangement went years ago when Abbey Junction closed as a block post. There is proper track circuiting nowadays. Previously for example if the Barrow Bridge controller took a release for the bridge to open,nothing could leave Belview and even go west until the bridge was shut again.


  • #104
    n97 mini
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    end of the road wrote: »
    don't they not automatically delete eventually?

    Yes, in May 2013 for that one.


  • #105
    highlydebased
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    dowlingm wrote: »
    I thought "2752" and "2754" were designated on the second cab for signalling purposes? Am I misremembering?

    Possibly, still does not turn it into a three car unit though!


  • #106
    dowlingm
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    flyingsnail wrote: »
    Which they intend to maintain in the yard in Waterford? Have they any idea of what’s actually involved in maintain a train?

    I am confused though, who is going to staff and run the train? IE, save the rail, foreign operator?
    Surely they will simply contract with IE to maintain the sets in Limerick with light maintenance in Waterford, similar to the way Ballina is run at present? IE get to keep 2700 driver and mechanical currency in Limerick so if they ever wanted to reactivate the 2700s (such as a fault being discovered in another fleet which would cause a long term stoppage) they could do so relatively quickly. It can't be more expensive to do that than to develop a maintenance capability in Waterford for a couple of DMUs.


  • #107
    corktina
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    never gonna happen....


  • #108
    corktina
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    and I'll tell you WHY its never going to happen.
    Any private investor will be looking for a return, when they twig that it would be much cheaper to BUS their booming number of passengers , thats what will happen....
    happened on the Lough Swilly, happened to a degree on the CDJR, even happened on the fully re-equipped West Clare......
    (happened in West Cork,
    happened on Waterford to Tramore....
    happened on the Kanturk and Newmarket Truck Line (enjoying the most passengers ever now with the Rail Replacement Bus increased in frequency...

    Once PROFIT comes into the frame, it becomes the focus of the service NOT running trains for their own sake.


  • #109
    man98
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    In fact several companies are interested in starting a route, I have been told. IE will give 250k a year to anyone running a service.


  • #110
    Our man in Havana
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    IE will give 250k a year to anyone running a service.
    Source? Link?


  • #111
    man98
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    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    Source? Link?
    Sorry, I don't have any as I was told this but Irish Rail gives 250k per year to bus eireann in their agreement to terminate the train service for the replacement bus unless a better alternative was found, which means a train. This document is available under The Freedom of Information Act from the NTA. They will also give whoever runs it a free 2 carriage train. This is presumably one of the ones for scrap!


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  • #112
    end of the road
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    corktina wrote: »
    happened on the Lough Swilly, happened to a degree on the CDJR, even happened on the fully re-equipped West Clare......
    (happened in West Cork,
    happened on Waterford to Tramore....
    happened on the Kanturk and Newmarket Truck Line
    what exactly happened with these? did they get private investers who decided to go with a bus instead of the train? i thought the west clare railway is a heritage railway?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #113
    flyingsnail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭flyingsnail


    man98 wrote: »
    Sorry, I don't have any as I was told this but Irish Rail gives 250k per year to bus eireann in their agreement to terminate the train service for the replacement bus unless a better alternative was found, which means a train. This document is available under The Freedom of Information Act from the NTA. They will also give whoever runs it a free 2 carriage train. This is presumably one of the ones for scrap!

    Even if Irish rail did give them 250k its not exactly big money in terms of running a railway, that’s 6 or 7 drivers for a year, then you have your other staff, track access charges, fuel, maintenance advertising ect.


    Have any of these interested company’s ever been named? Are they current rail operators?


  • #114
    corktina
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    end of the road wrote: »
    what exactly happened with these? did they get private investers who decided to go with a bus instead of the train? i thought the west clare railway is a heritage railway?

    No they basically swopped over to buses after variuos attempts at modernising.

    The West Clare (CIE) was completely re-equipped with diesl locos and railcars (narrow guage) and closed a few years later. The Couty Donegal(ng) private line that relied for some years on railcars for passenger traffic before accumulated maintenance led to a swop to buses. The Lough Swilly(ng) another private line changed to buses and trucks and abandoned the railway without any effort to modernise and the West Cork Lines (5'3")were all dieselised by CIE and closed at a stroke not long afterwards, as with the Waterford and Tramore


  • #115
    man98
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    flyingsnail wrote: »
    Which they intend to maintain in the yard in Waterford? Have they any idea of what’s actually involved in maintain a train?


    I am confused though, who is going to staff and run the train? IE, save the rail, foreign operator?
    A foreign operator will operate the services as a Community Rail Project, the same as the Fishguard- Cardiff service in South Wales by Arriva. This is what I've been told anyway.


  • #116
    man98
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    flyingsnail wrote: »
    Even if Irish rail did give them 250k its not exactly big money in terms of running a railway, that’s 6 or 7 drivers for a year, then you have your other staff, track access charges, fuel, maintenance advertising ect.


    Have any of these interested company’s ever been named? Are they current rail operators?
    Sorry for the delay but Trampower and Veolia Transport ( who operate the LUAS, I think) are two of them and I am aware that track access charges would be €12.55 approx. per carriage. And for 4.8m they could get electronic gates, which in 10 years (16 gates @300k) and gate keepers get 30k a year. All they need is an investment. The rail company would provide the drivers and IE have to ( they signed a contract with the NTA) maintain the line!


  • #117
    JeffK88
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    Any more updates on veolia or trampower will operate this line


  • #118
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    apparently an inspection car is to travel the line this coming wednesday. thats according to a post on the facebook page. it will travel the line from waterford and will head back to dublin via the dead slow and easy.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #119
    JeffK88
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    Suppose that's progress of sorts ... least something happening and IE are willing to inspect and lease the line out must be a first for them.. if it works out could be the WRC and Waterford to limerick lines next .


  • #120
    highlydebased
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    The inspection car is travelling the country by the looks of things so I wouldn't look too much into it.


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  • #121
    Judgement Day
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    IE are obliged to inspect the line by the NTA and are going through the motions. The line will never reopen but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.


  • #122
    end of the road
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    JeffK88 wrote: »
    Suppose that's progress of sorts ... least something happening and IE are willing to inspect and lease the line out must be a first for them..
    hold your horses there, i said an inspection car is to travel the line, that is all.
    highlydebased wrote: »
    The inspection car is travelling the country by the looks of things so I wouldn't look too much into it.

    agree. they have to inspect it under the terms of the agreement with the NTA.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #123
    man98
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    end of the road wrote: »
    JeffK88 wrote: »
    Suppose that's progress of sorts ... least something happening and IE are willing to inspect and lease the line out must be a first for them..
    hold your horses there, i said an inspection car is to travel the line, that is all.
    highlydebased wrote: »
    The inspection car is travelling the country by the looks of things so I wouldn't look too much into it.

    agree. they have to inspect it under the terms of the agreement with the NTA.
    It's coming from Wateford on Wednesday morning. I'll be there with a sign saying 'Welcome Back!'


  • #124
    man98
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    IE are obliged to inspect the line by the NTA and are going through the motions. The line will never reopen but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
    It could be reopened if someone (who is a multimillionaire or a company) had the Money. Save TheRail have said that it would be possible to open it within 1 year and an Irish rail worker has me that, if they had a train, they could open it up to Campile next week if they wanted to. Not to forget Wexford Campus IT Carlow would like to start a railways course so you could use inchicore or Wexford/Carlow and they would have locos running on the line.


  • #125
    Our man in Havana
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    I take it the line beyond Campile is now in bits.

    Are there any recent pictures of the line?


  • #126
    foggy_lad
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    As I understand things before there could be any service operating on the line there would have to be a further inspection? I think this upcoming inspection will say the line is in good condition especially if it is not as irish rail have been ordered to maintain the line so would have to spend money they cant afford if the inspection report was bad. Any inspection prior to services operating will reveal an unfortunate rapid deterioration of the line.


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  • #127
    dowlingm
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    Trampower? Hahahahahahahahaha


  • #128
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    I think this upcoming inspection will say the line is in good condition especially if it is not as irish rail have been ordered to maintain the line so would have to spend money they cant afford if the inspection report was bad.
    i thought the line is being independantly monitored? i don't know would the NTA just take IE'S word for it in relation to the inspections or condition of the line but i could be wrong.
    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Any inspection prior to services operating will reveal an unfortunate rapid deterioration of the line.
    wouldn't surprise me to be honest.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #129
    man98
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    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    I take it the line beyond Campile is now in bits.

    Are there any recent pictures of the line?
    No, but there are 30cm high weeds growing on the line, which I know from crossing on the Level Crossings.


  • #130
    Losty Dublin
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    There is an new inspection car which is fitted with track scanning equipment and cameras; it is also GPS tracked so it offers a very detailed report if required. If an ordinary inspection car runs on a line, it's crew report back on the general state of the track, level crossings and bridges; I guess that the NRA will receive some shape of a document to reflect the trip whatever vehicle is used.


  • #131
    purplepanda
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    dowlingm wrote: »
    Trampower? Hahahahahahahahaha

    They don't seem to have run any type of rail or tram service apart from some trials in Birkenhead & Blackpool which didn't result in any public transport contracts / services being run. They appear to be behind the Galway Luas publicity. :rolleyes:

    We can safely rule them out unless they suddenly get substantial UK / Ireland / EU funding all of a sudden to develop viable vehicles :pac:

    The tram - train articles in the Munster Express a while back appear to have some link to Trampower, the same google images turn up in relation to Trampower bidding on Tram contracts in Toronto Canada & elsewhere :D


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  • #132
    JeffK88
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    So guessing the last gasp didn't work out to well. Or is there any other news on reopening this.


  • #133
    Cookie_Monster
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    pic in T&RS showing a digger clearing the trackbed of trees and weeds taken in the last week


  • #134
    corktina
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    not on this line though...thats the New Ross line


  • #135
    Cookie_Monster
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    corktina wrote: »
    not on this line though...thats the New Ross line

    :o


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