Huge hike in road tax as motor cash dries up

Jesh1 · 05-03-2012 06:51AM #1

Linky.......

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/huge-hike-in-road-tax-as-motor-cash-dries-up-3039261.html

travelledpengy · 05-03-2012 06:52AM

Ugghhhh

ShadowHearth · 05-03-2012 07:21AM

My magic crystal ball was right! I should rent it to the lads in goverment!

MugMugs · 05-03-2012 07:24AM

Jesh1 wrote: »

Linky.......

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/huge-hike-in-road-tax-as-motor-cash-dries-up-3039261.html

What's your take on thus OP?

Jesh1 · 05-03-2012 07:44AM

MugMugs wrote: »

What's your take on thus OP?

No vested interest MugMugs,
I find the governmental tax behaviours interesting.
It was always a bad set up from day one.
I would like to see how they fix the current set up.

zenno · 05-03-2012 07:58AM

I hope mitsubishi doesn't come into this scenario because my tax already went up and this will be the last straw if it goes up again as i can not pay it struggling like a fcuker as it is. fcuking vampires sucking us dry.

Cookie_Monster · 05-03-2012 09:03AM

Revenue fell to €988m last year, a drop of €72m from the peak in 2008

In reality that's not so bad though, a 6.8% decrease in 3 full years since the height of the boom. Most things have dropped by a lot more than that.

Why not just accept that government policy to lower emissions will impact revenue, it was always going to. It also impacts our emissions positively and will result in lower fines from the EU for not reaching targets. How about simply cutting more of the obscene expenditure levels to match the reduced income? :rolleyes:

bbam · 05-03-2012 09:24AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Revenue fell to €988m last year, a drop of €72m from the peak in 2008

In reality that's not so bad though, a 6.8% decrease in 3 full years since the height of the boom. Most things have dropped by a lot more than that.

Why not just accept that government policy to lower emissions will impact revenue, it was always going to. It also impacts our emissions positively and will result in lower fines from the EU for not reaching targets. How about simply cutting more of the obscene expenditure levels to match the reduced income? :rolleyes:

This is just another of the cuts in the death by a thousand cuts that were experiencing.
It's an insult to those who have purchased a car based on reduced emissions.

mrblack · 05-03-2012 09:24AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

In reality that's not so bad though, a 6.8% decrease in 3 full years since the height of the boom. Most things have dropped by a lot more than that.

Why not just accept that government policy to lower emissions will impact revenue, it was always going to. It also impacts our emissions positively and will result in lower fines from the EU for not reaching targets. How about simply cutting more of the obscene expenditure levels to match the reduced income? :rolleyes:

+1

vectra · 05-03-2012 09:27AM

^ And now they are raising road tax again will that not hit revenue even more?

Dubit10 · 05-03-2012 09:31AM

Robbing us blind and hitting us again. Ah well it's less money for me to spend in the real economy which will lead to more job cuts within the Irish business sector. They never learn.

shawnee · 05-03-2012 09:33AM

Not really surprised at this change and would have predicted it. The present system of taxation as well as being expensive creates too many anomolies and is affecting the sale of particular models of cars unfairly. For example buying a 08 bmw 520d with road tax of 160 odd and an 07 520d road tax of around a grand.
The system has also lead to people specifically buying diesel and cars that they would not normally buy in order to reduce their road tax. So it has distorted the whole market.
Cannot understand why they do not follow the model of putting the revenue on the fuel and the user who uses the road the most pays the most tax. Collection would be simple , no administration costs , no motor tax offices etc

Then if you had a flat rate of tax and you wanted to buy a 1 litre yaris or a 3 litre Jag it was up to you to decide not the fecking road tax system.:p

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 05-03-2012 09:33AM

I can see both sides of the argument. On one hand the current system came in a and people got more efficient cars as they were supposed to do. However the government was making money on VRT as new cars were bought. Now however the new car income has dried up and people get to drive their 60k cars for 150 euro a year.

So people did what they were supposed to do however the point of a tax is to generate revenue which has dried up.

I dont really see what the cost of the car has to do with it as there was VRT on that so the government should not tax you twice. However there must be a more equitable but equally eco friendly solution. I know the tax on fuel was thrown out several times and I see that as an ideal solution so long as commercial viechicals are exempted as that would drive up inflation. (I would assume some tax rebate would be the best way to do this).

The few of us here with gas guzzling cars are safe enough. We are so few that is really is not worthwhile taxing us any more than we pay already, I pay enough for 10 BMW 20d engines, yet only use 3 times the fuel. I also do tiny mileage.

shedweller · 05-03-2012 09:34AM

So, 72m over how many vehicles? Thats the figure that will supposedly correct the revenues books to 2008 levels. Watch the motor tax increase pass that figure with ease!

ShadowHearth · 05-03-2012 09:38AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

In reality that's not so bad though, a 6.8% decrease in 3 full years since the height of the boom. Most things have dropped by a lot more than that.

Why not just accept that government policy to lower emissions will impact revenue, it was always going to. It also impacts our emissions positively and will result in lower fines from the EU for not reaching targets. How about simply cutting more of the obscene expenditure levels to match the reduced income? :rolleyes:

It is bad! The figure is low now, because there are still a ton of cars with old type of tax. In 5-8 years those will disappear and the only thing left - low band tax cars.

For example: I am poor so I pay 480eu per year for a ****y ford mondeo 1.6. It won't last more then 1-2 years. So it might be replaced with a car that will be paying only 200eu tax per year soon.

Still, a very dirty move by government. Put everyone in to green ( arguable ) cars, and them tax the loving bejesus out of it.

Jesus Shaves · 05-03-2012 09:39AM

I have to laugh at all the complaints about the government i see these days, ye are the ones who voted them in, when has a fine gael/labour coalition ever done good for this country?

jenizzle · 05-03-2012 09:43AM

MOTORISTS who drive the most popular brands of family cars...

*hugs non-family car RX8*

zenno · 05-03-2012 09:43AM

darokane wrote: »

I have to laugh at all the complaints about the government i see these days, ye are the ones who voted them in, when has a fine gael/labour coalition ever done good for this country?

I never voted for them. We have no heads. were dry and can't give anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSk9PHuzTcI

shedweller · 05-03-2012 09:43AM

darokane wrote: »

I have to laugh at all the complaints about the government i see these days, ye are the ones who voted them in, when has a fine gael/labour coalition ever done good for this country?

Whatever party won would have done the same, more or less.

Jesus Shaves · 05-03-2012 09:44AM

shedweller wrote: »

Whatever party won would have done the same, more or less.

i don't believe that

Jesus Shaves · 05-03-2012 09:45AM

zenno wrote: »

I never voted for them. We have no heads. were dry and can't give anymore.

It's a definite NO from me, all because of Sean Sherlock

McTigs · 05-03-2012 09:47AM

darokane wrote: »

It's a definite NO from me, all because of Sean Sherlock

What has Sean Sherlock got to do with the fiscal compact treaty?

Bullseye1 · 05-03-2012 09:49AM

This was inevitable. How someone can drive a brand new 2.0 BMW around for less than €300 a year and the older model is closer to €800. Thats a significant drop.

Jesus Shaves · 05-03-2012 09:52AM

McTigs wrote: »

What has Sean Sherlock got to do with the fiscal compact treaty?

The general actions of himself and the current government have made me decide that they cant be trusted withb anything including the fiscal treaty.

Cionád · 05-03-2012 10:04AM

Changing the goal posts every few years is a bit of a joke, you can't plan for the future when these things are continually overhauled.

And BMW get punished for producing efficient models, just because they are more expensive to buy in the first place? Surely it's better in the long run to reduce our dependencies on imported fuel, and so have more money to spend in the domestic economy.

bbam · 05-03-2012 10:04AM

This continual increase of taxation is just soul destroying...
We're rural dwellers and need 2 cars.. It's becoming crippling now just for us to have transport to do our jobs.. Fuel, Tax, Insurance, Repairs.... the list is endless

When will they learn that extracting so much tax from ordinary people is just shutting down the economy as there is nothing left to spend.. It's not rocket science, just plain facts..

Having a car in Ireland is mostly an essential rather than a luxury, yet it is treated as a luxury...

Can anyone tell me is there an equivalent tax on river cruisers or yachts, jet skies, how about private planes or helicopters... these are luxury goods, not our only transport option !

And it's Monday too !!

Atlantic Dawn · 05-03-2012 10:05AM

The 72m is easily made back many times on the additional vat alone the government has taken in over the same period due to the rise in fuel prices, never mind the additional excise duty and vat rate increases over that time.

McTigs · 05-03-2012 10:10AM

darokane wrote: »

The general actions of himself and the current government have made me decide that they cant be trusted withb anything including the fiscal treaty.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever but, y'know, carry on i suppose.

Markcheese · 05-03-2012 10:11AM

No surprise, motor tax is a revenue raising exercise , it's going to bring in x amount, once people start driving more efficent cars, then the tax goes up so in the end people will spend the same amount overall on road tax..... It was always going to happen......
But just think if you'd bought a big gas guzzler since 08...... Savage road tax AND PETROL at 1.60 a litre....
So if I've bought a frugal new BMW or merc or what ever since 08 .. You've won anyway and I wouldn't have much sympathy if yr road tax goes up to the same level as my 00 1.4 skoda.....

chrismon · 05-03-2012 10:23AM

I think this is absolute bullsh!t.
If you pay extra to have a more economical car why do you get penalized when they change their minds. How exactly is this going to work?
Is it going to be on ALL cars or just from 08 onwards.
This really boils my blood thinking of people like my parents who spent more than they had to on a 08 car to make it cheaper in the long run.

ShadowHearth · 05-03-2012 10:26AM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

This was inevitable. How someone can drive a brand new 2.0 BMW around for less than €300 a year and the older model is closer to €800. Thats a significant drop.

So maybe we should call it luxury tax, not motor tax?

Huge hike in road tax as motor cash dries up

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