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darealtulip · 21-02-2012, 18:50

I wrote both minister and college and am awaiting reply.(not that I suspect any reply, but you never know)

someoneok · 21-02-2012, 18:52

Children are born atheists, let's not confuse them with the older generations fairytales.

darealtulip · 21-02-2012, 18:53

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Originally Posted by byhookorbycrook

Religion is taught in every primary school in Ireland,has to be under our current system. There are NO non-denominational primary schools in Ireland. Educate together and some Gaelscoileanna are multi-denominational,where no one religion is favoured over another.

Alive-O is the Catholic religion syllabus for primary indoctrination, Learn together is the Educate together syllabus.

I was in Mary Immaculate college over 25 years ago and we learned about different religions but there was nothing like the type of q that seems to have appeared through Hibernia. There are lots of atheists in primary teaching, they just don't make it public to parents!!

Fixed it for you.

They tend to call it pre-evangelisation

**robindch** · 21-02-2012, 19:14

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Originally Posted by darealtulip

They tend to call it pre-evangelisation

The usual term is "faith formation"(*)

(*) You'll have to imagine the spitting sounds.

**byhookorbycrook** · 21-02-2012, 19:32

Interestingly enough, the primary school act of 1831 was meant to establish non-denom. schools. There was a hour for lunch break, but this evolved into those staying for some kind of religious instruction for half an hour and then into what we have now.Traditionally religion was taught from 12-12.30 to allow those not taking part go home at that stage.

Technically, teachers were not paid for this half hour and the dept of ed does not inspect religion during a whole school inspection.

Yes, non-denom schools are possible, where there is no time spent teaching religion,a prayer is not said in the morning or so on.

darealtulip · 21-02-2012, 19:51

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Originally Posted by robindch

The usual term is "faith formation"(*)

(*) You'll have to imagine the spitting sounds.

no the catholic church revered to it as pre-evangelisation, it is mentioned under that term in Alive-O

Another interesting submission to the forum on pluralism on teacher colleges:

http://www.education.ie/servlet/blob..._philomena.pdf

recedite · 21-02-2012, 20:16

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Originally Posted by byhookorbycrook

Religion is taught in every primary school in Ireland,has to be under our current system. There are NO non-denominational primary schools in Ireland...

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Originally Posted by byhookorbycrook

Yes, non-denom schools are possible, where there is no time spent teaching religion...

Make your mind up!

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Originally Posted by darealtulip

Another interesting submission to the forum on pluralism on teacher colleges:

http://www.education.ie/servlet/blob..._philomena.pdf

Simple and sensible proposals; makes you wonder what the problem is in just getting on with it.

Silver_525 · 21-02-2012, 20:20

I'm doing that religion exam that the OP is referring to.
Just found the part about atheism that the question referred to in my notes...it goes as follows "Atheism seems to be fashionable in Ireland at present. It is seen as rational, progressive and compassionate. But above all, it is "in", not to mention convenient. What bothers very few of its latter-day exponents is the fact that atheist humanism produced the worst horrors history has ever witnessed, namely Nazism, Fascism and Marxism, the latter alone responsible for some 100 million lives, according to The Black Book written by French ex-Marxists. Atheism is not a benign force in history".

So as you can see that wasn't some random question in the sample test, it's taken directly from the notes they give us...

swiftblade · 21-02-2012, 20:22

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Originally Posted by Silver_525

I'm doing that religion exam that the OP is referring to.
Just found the part about atheism that the question referred to in my notes...it goes as follows "Atheism seems to be fashionable in Ireland at present. It is seen as rational, progressive and compassionate. But above all, it is "in", not to mention convenient. What bothers very few of its latter-day exponents is the fact that atheist humanism produced the worst horrors history has ever witnessed, namely Nazism, Fascism and Marxism, the latter alone responsible for some 100 million lives, according to The Black Book written by French ex-Marxists. Atheism is not a benign force in history".

So as you can see that wasn't some random question in the sample test, it's taken directly from the notes they give us...

What The F**k.

That is one college I will be avoiding.

**byhookorbycrook** · 21-02-2012, 20:23

Ok, to be clear,there are CURRENTLY no non-denom primary schools in Ireland, but that does not meant that there CANNOT be non-denoms in the near future.

recedite · 21-02-2012, 20:24

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it goes as follows "Atheism seems to be fashionable in Ireland at present. It is seen as rational, progressive and compassionate. But above all, it is "in", not to mention convenient. What bothers very few of its latter-day exponents is the fact that atheist humanism produced the worst horrors history has ever witnessed, namely Nazism, Fascism and Marxism, the latter alone responsible for some 100 million lives, according to The Black Book written by French ex-Marxists. Atheism is not a benign force in history"

^^ Your notes are full of $hit.

FouxDaFaFa · 21-02-2012, 20:39

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Originally Posted by Silver_525

Atheism seems to be fashionable in Ireland at present. It is seen as rational, progressive and compassionate. But above all, it is "in", not to mention convenient. What bothers very few of its latter-day exponents is the fact that atheist humanism produced the worst horrors history has ever witnessed, namely Nazism, Fascism and Marxism, the latter alone responsible for some 100 million lives, according to The Black Book written by French ex-Marxists. Atheism is not a benign force in history".

Who wrote your notes? This is such bullsh1t. I can't believe they're teaching this to kids.

darealtulip · 21-02-2012, 20:44

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Originally Posted by FouxDaFaFa

Who wrote your notes? This is such bullsh1t. I can't believe they're teaching this to kids.

worse they are teaching teachers to be!!!

FouxDaFaFa · 21-02-2012, 20:53

Multiple post.

FouxDaFaFa · 21-02-2012, 20:58

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Originally Posted by darealtulip

worse they are teaching teachers to be!!!

I know. I probably should have said "I can't believe they will be teaching this to kids". The rage cloud made me unclear.

It's downright dangerous imo to have children associating atheism with the holocaust, Stalin, etc. It will just make any children who start doubting the situation think that they're monsters.

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darealtulip Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,337 Adverts \| Friends	I wrote both minister and college and am awaiting reply.(not that I suspect any reply, but you never know)

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someoneok Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 54 Adverts \| Friends	Children are born atheists, let's not confuse them with the older generations fairytales.

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byhookorbycrook Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,100 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Carlow, Primary & Pre School	Interestingly enough, the primary school act of 1831 was meant to establish non-denom. schools. There was a hour for lunch break, but this evolved into those staying for some kind of religious instruction for half an hour and then into what we have now.Traditionally religion was taught from 12-12.30 to allow those not taking part go home at that stage. Technically, teachers were not paid for this half hour and the dept of ed does not inspect religion during a whole school inspection. Yes, non-denom schools are possible, where there is no time spent teaching religion,a prayer is not said in the morning or so on.

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Silver_525 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 6 Adverts \| Friends	I'm doing that religion exam that the OP is referring to. Just found the part about atheism that the question referred to in my notes...it goes as follows "Atheism seems to be fashionable in Ireland at present. It is seen as rational, progressive and compassionate. But above all, it is "in", not to mention convenient. What bothers very few of its latter-day exponents is the fact that atheist humanism produced the worst horrors history has ever witnessed, namely Nazism, Fascism and Marxism, the latter alone responsible for some 100 million lives, according to The Black Book written by French ex-Marxists. Atheism is not a benign force in history". So as you can see that wasn't some random question in the sample test, it's taken directly from the notes they give us...

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byhookorbycrook Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,100 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Carlow, Primary & Pre School	Ok, to be clear,there are CURRENTLY no non-denom primary schools in Ireland, but that does not meant that there CANNOT be non-denoms in the near future.