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IMRA season 2012

  • 30-12-2011 9:29pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭


    Here's a new thread to replace our 2011 one. Its a place for discussing hillrunning, races, training, equipment, shoes, banter: so long as it goes up and down, and makes you mucky, this is the place for it! I'll put in a few links for new runners who might be curious about hill running, feel free to post more relevant info below so that we can direct newcomers to the first page of this thread throughout 2011.

    What is hill running? Irish Mountain Running Association for all the information you need about races, dates, maps, carpooling, results, etc.

    Do I need special gear? In general, the only specific gear you need is hill running shoes, which will provide extra traction for the different terrain. Most hill shoes have less cushioning and support than road shoes, and are more durable. Some good shoes are discussed here, here, here and where to buy them

    Other gear you may need, depending on the difficulty of the race, may be waterproof clothing, map and compass, mobile phone.

    How do I enter? IMRA membership is €10 per calendar year, and then €7 per race. You can register your details, (gender, age grouping, club affiliation), before each race, once that is done, you are in the system, and will be included in the results (with lots of neat graphs and charts so you can track your progress throughout the years races, and that of your rivals!).

    Do I have to be in a club? No, you may leave the club section blank if you wish. However, the inter-club rivalry is a big part of the races, and gives runners down the field a chance to "score". If you are not a member of another running club, you can put down "Boards ", and be a part of the Boards team who run the IMRA races. There is also an inter-county rivalry, so you can enter your county (of birth or residence, especially if that contributes to a bigger geographical spread than Dublin and Wicklow!).

    Besides the above, carpooling helps to lessen parking problems in often remote locations, turning up early (+1hour) before the race start helps with registration queues, and most of all volunteering often helps keeps prices down and organization efficient. Through these pages, we have ran a couple of very well received map-reading course's. The ever-popular Wicklow Way Relay has seen Boards triumph in 2010, and a creditable third in 2011. Competition for places this year will be especially keen, as we seek to regain the crown!. We had a great time talking about, and running in, IMRA races in 2011, thanks to everyone, from all clubs and none, who helped make it such a huge thread! Onwards and upwards in 2012!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Winter League upcoming races

    Jan
    22 Howth Winter
    28 Ticknock Winter

    Feb
    12 Annagh Hill
    17 Trooperstown

    Mar
    03 Maulin Winter


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    I'm Race Director for Annagh Hill again, and this is an important message to help alleviate carpark congestion.

    Annagh Hill was run for the first time last year, and seemed to get a great response. Word-of-mouth has spread, so we're anticipating much greater numbers this year. We had 135 runners last year, and the car park at The Gap pub was filled to capacity- literally, if we had one more car, we would not have had space to park it. So we're going to try something new to alleviate the congestion- I've organized a 50-seater coach to pick up runners at 9:30am from the Sandyford Luas stop, and drive them to the race in comfort. You'll get here in plenty of time to register, and will be able to enjoy a pint or two post-race beside the turf fire of The Gap, before leaving for Dublin at around 3:30pm or so.

    This is very necessary to aid congestion, so I'd encourage as many as possible to avail of this service. Cost will be about €9 per person (you'd spend more on petrol driving down and back). I need to get an idea of numbers (we can add a second bus if necessary), so can anyone interested in helping lessen IMRA's footprint, sign up for this bus as soon as possible on the carpool section (listed under Paul Joyce). If anyone from Boards is going to take the bus, can they sign up ASAP. If this works, we might be able to organize coaches to similar far-flung rural races.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    There's a brand new IMRA relay, the Wicklow Glacier Lakes on Sat 14th April, and we already have a couple of runners interested in running for a Boards team. Details below, shout out here if you think you'd be interested in running it.

    The race takes in some of the highest glacial lakes in Wicklow. The proposed route is outlined below. The IMRA Committee have the final decision on the route. The race traverses some of the wildest terrain in Wicklow so participants should agree safety precautions with their team members and carefully recce their leg(s). Participants must touch the water in each lake on their leg.
    A team comprises between 1 and 4 persons. Juniors are not allowed to compete because of the nature of the terrain and the distances involved. A mobile phone, cagoule, map, and compass are compulsory kit. Bring food and water according to your needs for a run of around 10 km in tough mountain terrain.

    The race will use chasing starts with the first team to finish being the winners. Women get a bonus of 10 minutes for each leg they run; Persons over 50 get a bonus of 5 minutes; and Persons over 60 get a bonus of 10 minutes. Hence any teams of four W60 women will start at 8 am whereas teams of four senior men will start at 9:20. An M50 solo runner would have a bonus of 20 minutes so would start at 9 am. Teams who declare themselves non-competitive can start at 8:30.

    Leg 1 starts at the hotel in Glendalough and takes in Lough Ouler with the handover at the car park at the Wicklow Gap. The only part of the Wicklow Gap road that you can run on is the part on the St. Kevin's Way. Challenge: route choice and terrain.

    Leg 2 takes in Lough Firrib and either of the Three Lakes with the handover at Glenmalure hostel. Challenge: navigation and tough terrain in middle of leg.

    Leg 3 takes in Art's Lough and Kelly's Lough with the handover either at Ballinafunshoge car park or Drumgoff (to be decided). Challenge: route choice and steep terrain.

    Leg 4 takes in the Upper and Lower lakes in Glendalough with the finish at the hotel. Challenge: a runner's leg!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Might try to kick off the new year with a good old slog around the Annagh hill route ;) pj?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Might try to kick off the new year with a good old slog around the Annagh hill route ;) pj?

    Meeting someone to recce it tomorrow, probably morning time. Will confirm time with you- anyone else is welcome too, PM for details.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭ocnoc


    For a city center student thats too lazy to cycle the length of Wicklow, I think a bus to the arsehole of nowhere (aka somewhere that its challenging to get to on public transport) is a fantastic idea.

    I'm just not sure a bus full of 90 people would appreciate an overly hyper active person getting excited about the up coming pain and suffering at early o clock in the morning though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    We'll put you in the baggage hold to cool down;)

    Yeah, there's always one (imra forum Anon). Local fields round here in Feb tend to swallow cars that might consider parking in them. Everyone I've asked says the bus is a progressive idea (I ran it by the committee too). There's zero public transport around these parts.

    Bottom line is we can plan for the expected numbers by hiring a bus (at around €8 or €9 return per person), or we can have a drive-down free-for-all and turn away runners who arrive when the carpark is full.

    Its a no-brainer.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Howth might be worth doing actually, could run most of the way home from that as a LSR.

    Annagh Hill has me tempted but it's the same day as the Enniscorthy 10k...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    What are the chances of me finishing kippure in one piece/alive?
    Zero. You haven't got the ability to run it, you will not be able to do it. You're not good enough. Don't even try to prove me wrong.:pac:

    I'm cruel to be kind, kiddo. You'd faint from lack of oxygen on Howth, and muddy those shiny new runners on Annagh. Not a chance you'd survive either one, best stick to the safe option and run that nice 10k. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭misty floyd


    I don't suppose any beginner map reading/orienteering type courses are planned any time soon? I think it was PositiveNegative that took groups out last year?

    Cheers.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭ocnoc


    Papal Cross, Phoenix Park.
    11:00-13:00 Sunday 15th Jan

    ThreeRock (club) are organizing a local orienteering race.
    If you want to learn to navigate enough to race - go and say hello.

    Its not mountain nav, but once you have the basics down, mountain nav is a hell of a lot easier.


  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭ocnoc




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭nerraw1111


    So first race of 2012 on Sunday.

    Is the course same as last year? Says new one lap course but might be just a copy and paste from last year.

    Looking forward to Howth. A great blast around the trails.


  • Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭paulmorro


    nerraw1111 wrote: »
    So first race of 2012 on Sunday.

    Is the course same as last year? Says new one lap course but might be just a copy and paste from last year.

    Looking forward to Howth. A great blast around the trails.

    Think the Winter is always one lap.

    Missing first two races of the season... already my great plans to get back into into this year are getting messed up! :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    paulmorro wrote: »
    Missing first two races of the season... already my great plans to get back into into this year are getting messed up! :(

    Join the club. I'll miss Howth and Ticknock (I really wanted to do Ticknock as I like that course) because I won't be around. Even if I was here I'm nowhere near fit enough to tackle them, went for my first run last night since Powerscourt Ridge due to being off with a host of bugs and viruses.

    Annagh Hill is a great course but again given it's not too far away and the lack of kms in my legs I don't think I'll be able for it. I think I'll be volunteering for that one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭SharkTale


    Thinking about doing Ticknock,

    How difficult is the course & will I need to invest in a pair of trail runners?

    Thanks in advance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    SharkTale wrote: »
    Thinking about doing Ticknock,

    How difficult is the course & will I need to invest in a pair of trail runners?

    Thanks in advance.

    Difficulty is relative. How fit are you? It depends too on how used you are to running hills - up and down. Hill races can be a shock to the system for those that haven't tried them before. Its a tough run but fun in places too. Theres a bit of everything. Trail and rocky, technical bits. Trail runners would be a lot better than road runners there. Perhaps try it out with whatever runners you have and see how it goes and you can invest if you are attracted to it. There will be runners of all ages and abilities in the race so give it a go. Its a nice social vibe too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭DogSlySmile


    SharkTale wrote: »
    Thinking about doing Ticknock,

    How difficult is the course & will I need to invest in a pair of trail runners?

    Thanks in advance.

    Its not too bad. Its a gradual climb for the first 2.5-3m but then its fast all the way home. Foot placement is the biggest challenge IMHO. The last couple of times I've been up there its been very muddy/slippy so trail runners will be an advantage, but not essential.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Nice win by T-runner today in Howth. All that training is working.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45 metamagical


    Nice win by T-runner today in Howth. All that training is working.

    Yep, well done to him - he was a few metres ahead at the end of the pitch section, but after the first hill I couldn't even see him any more. Today's run was a good reminder I need to start doing some of that training stuff myself :(

    Well done to IMRA as well for a very well organised race, not least for trying to persuade the headphones brigade to leave them off. I mean, it was great to see so many new people running, but I'm still surprised how many of those thought it was a good idea to try to make themselves as oblivious as possible to what was going on around them on a narrow, slippery course.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Almost 300 at Howth!:eek:

    What do people think about limits to the numbers allowed enter a race? IMRA is wholly a volunteer organization, it strikes me that at some point growth is not a good thing. Its fine to say races should be open to everyone, but dealing with the environmental impact of 300 runners (and nearly as many cars) in often remote and sensitive areas needs to be balanced too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 525 ✭✭✭guapos


    Regarding the large numbers, pre registration on the imra site with the maximum decided by the race location would cut out this problem. Race fee could go up to 10e to cover the extra costs of setting up this feature on website.

    Great race yesterday, you have to go off fast to avoid bottle necks, unfortunately i'm not that fast. Super stuff from the volunteers to get the registration done on time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭Peterx


    I think Mick made most of the points very well over on the IMRA forum.

    Sign on closure times need to be inforced strictly.
    The first race of the year and the first race of the summer Wednesdays need to be at least 35 minutes long for laptop input.
    The first race needs to be based in a large hall or pub function room for easier registration.

    Entries should be capped at 300?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Pre-reg, and Micks ideas, are great. It's about planning and enforcement now with the numbers. A far cry from a LC race hosted out of the boot of someone's car.

    There's no way Annagh Hill could support anything over 200 (parking, trails, pub). A cut-off in numbers would have to be the same across the specific league, for scoring to be kept fair? I guess it could be argued "first-come, first-served" negates this, though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭earlyevening


    I don't get it. On one post appeals are sent out for new runners to show up and try out mountain running and then, a few posts later you're trying to stop them showing up.

    What exactly is IMRA policy here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    I don't get it. On one post appeals are sent out for new runners to show up and try out mountain running and then, a few posts later you're trying to stop them showing up.

    What exactly is IMRA policy here?

    Just a case of being careful what you wish for perhaps?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭nerraw1111


    Is it not the case that Howth was a great success? Sign in went smoothly, parking worked great, course was well marked and results were online that night.

    Obviously 300 turning up at another race would be an issue in terms of parking etc.

    I would be totally against a first come, first served basis. Doesn't take into account where people live/work etc.

    Back to race. Great opener to the new season. Really enjoy that course, very fast.

    It seems that this year's results were a lot faster than last year, any reason? Winning time last year was 24 mins, this year it looks like 8 people ran under 24 mins.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    I don't get it. On one post appeals are sent out for new runners to show up and try out mountain running and then, a few posts later you're trying to stop them showing up.

    What exactly is IMRA policy here?

    Is this directed at my post?

    As far as I know, IMRA policy leaves it up to the RD of each race to make a call on what a safe amount of runners is for that race. There's a number of criteria for that, such as car-pooling and parking facilities, and trail conservation. Any cut-off's or restrictions are pointed out beforehand on the IMRA forum, in good time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭earlyevening


    Is this directed at my post?

    As far as I know, IMRA policy leaves it up to the RD of each race to make a call on what a safe amount of runners is for that race. There's a number of criteria for that, such as car-pooling and parking facilities, and trail conservation. Any cut-off's or restrictions are pointed out beforehand on the IMRA forum, in good time.

    Yes. It seems to me that mixed messages are being sent out.

    It'll probably sort itself out anyway. The races close to Dublin will be popular. Annagh Hill and others that are miles away won't look so appealing to those who haven't experienced them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Yes. It seems to me that mixed messages are being sent out.

    It'll probably sort itself out anyway. The races close to Dublin will be popular. Annagh Hill and others that are miles away won't look so appealing to those who haven't experienced them.

    Fair enough. Just in case it doesn't sort itself out, I'm trying to get a feeling on how the growth in numbers should best be catered for. If it looks like there's an increase in numbers generally, I'm going to factor that into plans for Annagh. I'd prefer not to turn people away because the car park is full of single-occupancy cars, hence the bus. I doubt we'll get anywhere near the 290 of Howth, but anything over 200 will cause problems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭Peterx


    Is this directed at my post?

    As far as I know, IMRA policy leaves it up to the RD of each race to make a call on what a safe amount of runners is for that race. There's a number of criteria for that, such as car-pooling and parking facilities, and trail conservation. Any cut-off's or restrictions are pointed out beforehand on the IMRA forum, in good time.

    I've never heard of cut-off's or restrictions in numbers being implemented at any IMRA race but that is now the territory we are heading for. 300~450 runners in any forestry/pub carpark will cause logistical problems.

    The farmers field model of parking remains the best way of placing hundred's of runners in close proximity to a hillrace startline. It's a winwin, we park safely off the road, some local farmer's son gets a few euro per car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    nerraw1111 wrote: »
    It seems that this year's results were a lot faster than last year, any reason? Winning time last year was 24 mins, this year it looks like 8 people ran under 24 mins.

    The first two times were 22.25 and 23.02ish so slighly slower than on the site. The rest are right. Conditions not as slippy, and the rock was dry underfoot. Also, i dont remember climbing those steps up from deerpark lasr year??? may have made the route quicker. Id say, maybe 1 minute quicker thann last year overall. The wind although in our faces going out when we could shelter was on our backs in the run in when we needed it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Peterx wrote: »
    I've never heard of cut-off's or restrictions in numbers being implemented at any IMRA race but that is now the territory we are heading for. 300~450 runners in any forestry/pub carpark will cause logistical problems.

    The farmers field model of parking remains the best way of placing hundred's of runners in close proximity to a hillrace startline. It's a winwin, we park safely off the road, some local farmer's son gets a few euro per car.

    Restrictions in that single-occupancy cars are often refused entry/turned away. I might have been thinking about a WWTrail in past years that had a cut-off in numbers; in any case I was under the (perhaps mistaken) assumption that the RD had say over what he/she thought was acceptable in regards to numbers.

    A farmers field is great all round in the summer, but boggy winter muck can swallow cars. Great fun to watch then try and get out, though!

    It wouldn't be such a problem, if the carpool facility was utilized more often. Only 4 seats, of the 12 available, were taken up for Howth. If numbers are to grow,the size of IMRA's footprint needs to be taken seriously, and planned for accordingly. (whether its a good thing that numbers are growing is a different matter. I much prefer the races with <50).


  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭ocnoc


    Howth appears to change every year given the heather/gorse growth throughout the year.

    T Runner dominated with a 1min lead. Does it really matter what the time was?

    I know I do it (a lot), but comparing times in mountain running is futile. Weather and ground conditions play such a big part in it in how quick you get around.


  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭ocnoc


    I enjoy racing in the mountains surrounded in mist, knowing there are only a few other people around me, slowly turning into shadows in front and to my left and right as the mist envelopes around us as we attack off the peak, all taking different route choices, everyone wanting the win. The tactics playing out of when to wait and when to attack.

    IMRA being open and welcoming to all is fantastic. There is such a range of personalities that something interesting always goes down at every race. Post race, you could be sitting down enjoying a pint with an international athlete or a crew from Mountain Rescue or a newbie that is still a little shell shocked over the 8k with 200m of climb on muddy trails they have just completed.

    As much as I love open mountain, and the more people being involved in IMRA the better the atmosphere. I don't want to swap the mist swallowing me up for been swallowed up in a crowd of people as I race through the heather...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭Peterx


    Restrictions in that single-occupancy cars are often refused entry/turned away. I might have been thinking about a WWTrail in past years that had a cut-off in numbers; in any case I was under the (perhaps mistaken) assumption that the RD had say over what he/she thought was acceptable in regards to numbers.

    A farmers field is great all round in the summer, but boggy winter muck can swallow cars. Great fun to watch then try and get out, though!

    It wouldn't be such a problem, if the carpool facility was utilized more often. Only 4 seats, of the 12 available, were taken up for Howth. If numbers are to grow,the size of IMRA's footprint needs to be taken seriously, and planned for accordingly. (whether its a good thing that numbers are growing is a different matter. I much prefer the races with <50).

    The carpool function does not appear to work very well, most race threads will have a few people noting their details/email/car didn't show up when they tried to use the carpool system.
    It is irrelevant if an expert can use it, if Joe or Jill Punter can't use it it is a failure.
    As for boggy winter mucky fields swallowing cars, well then...........................cancel the winter league!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Agree with you on the carpool function, most posters on the IMRA forum are tech savvy almost by definition, yet it seems to cause a lot of confusion/errors. If imra is to cater for larger numbers, this function needs to be foolproof.
    Peterx wrote: »
    As for boggy winter mucky fields swallowing cars, well then...........................cancel the winter league!

    Do you know how hard I bit the lip? Don't post it, I thought; grist to his mill, I thought; he's set you up into saying boggy February fields don't work...

    Well played, Mr. Cancel the Winter League :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭nerraw1111


    I agree it a is futile exercise comparing race times year on year. Just interested to note the quicker times this year on the same course as from what I can recall, conditions were pretty similar, plus its a relatively short distance.

    Pretty sure we went up the steps last year T runner. My garmin profiles are identical.


  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭ocnoc


    Donothoponpop, bravo for making a big call!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    ocnoc wrote: »
    Donothoponpop, bravo for making a big call!

    Well, I kicked it upstairs first, and upstairs agreed. The real arbiter is the facilities available, if numbers are growing we need people to co-operate. There's only so many tin cans that will fit into the box. The days of most everyone driving their own car to a race and getting parking are over, we need to start implementing practical ways on lessening our car footprint.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭Peterx


    G'wan T runner!


  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭ocnoc


    Peterx wrote: »
    G'wan T runner!

    Two outa two I take it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭DogSlySmile


    Good race today. I was a bit annoyed with the late route change but having run it I think its a better course with the changes. Got a few scrapes along the way, nothing nearly as bad as this guy though....


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    And what did we learn today kids???? That's right, don't wear Vibrams in a mountain race!


  • Registered Users Posts: 930 ✭✭✭jeffontour



    And what did we learn today kids???? That's right, don't wear Vibrams in a mountain race!

    Is that you? If so, had you run on trail in the Vibrams before? What was your expectation of their performance, traction wise? Did you genuinely think they were suitable?

    I am just a little baffled as to why anyone would turn up to a winter hill race in footwear which has feck all traction. The volunteer first aiders have enough to handle with accidents let alone accidents waiting to happen, which in my view vibrams in a winter hill race are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭thirstywork2




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭DogSlySmile


    jeffontour wrote: »
    Is that you?

    Eh, no. I was close by as he was getting a bit of first aid.

    Last week it was headphones, this week its vibrams... what's next!??:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭nerraw1111


    Ouch at the vibrams. I'd say it was icy up there today?

    That's some field thirstywork. Looks huge.


  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭ocnoc


    ...spanner

    Good war wounds though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Results up. 224 runners.

    Well done T. He was adamant he wouldn't run another WL race after Howth. :D Now 2 out of 2 he's odds on to make it to Annagh.

    Fair play to the 2nd place guy. I gave him a lift up. His first mountain race.


    Re: the vibrams. Not a good call. It looks a lot worse than it was. Only grazes under the crimson legs.

    Lots of runners out there with road runners. They've no place on a route like Ticknock. 2 runners twisted their ankle today. It was icy and slippy in places.

    I believe there was at least one muppet with headphones too :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭Peterx


    Road shoes are fine, you can't expect someone at their first hillrace to have forked out a lot of money on a pair of specialist hillrunning shoes.

    The winter league will have races run in icy conditions and ice is just slippy no matter what shoe you wear.

    That video is great, it would be great to have video at some more races. So many runners..


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